It should not be illegal to slander anyone' date=' it should not be taught in schools. We shouldnt teach religion in public school's nor should we teach other views like that. If they are going to teach it is ok, they should teach religion. They should present it as a decision to the kids, not as a fact.[/quote']

 

 

since when do they teach religion in public schools??????

since when do they teach religion in public schools??????

 

They do in the UK.

since when do they teach religion in public schools??????

 

Alot do to some degree.

I didn't expect everyone to agree with me. Why should it not start with you?

 

But seriously, there is stuff wrong with being gay. What our Christian conscience and every fiber in our being says is that gayness is a sin and not what God intended. Gayness is NOT perfectly normal.

 

But you are right about one thing, brandon. Slandering gays is wrong. Frankly, slandering anyone is wrong but people still do it...to EVERYONE. The Christian church preaches against gays for a reason.

 

Yes, the Constitution does give rights to everyone but in the Declaration of Independance, it says that all men are CREATED EQUAL! No special rights should be given to any one group unless you are prepared to give other people special rights. I wish Christians would stop being taken in the minority! Oh sure gays will whine and say "We are normal and should be treated as equals" but when it comes to us Christians, when we make the same plea, Congress doesn't give a crap!

 

You foget one thing, brandon. Freedom of religion also includes being able to preach what you believe. We should be able to believe what we believe without oppression!

 

 

WHY?! Whay does this happen? All men are created equal but gays lower THEMSELVES. THEY'RE the ones who are gay. THEY'RE the ones who made that decision to be gay. Thus, they shot THEMSELVES in the foot.

 

Gayness shouldn't be treated as normal because it ISN'T normal. If it is so normal, why wasn't it taught in the sixtees? Or even any time in the past before now? If it's so normal, how come people are disgusted when they see two gay men holding hands? If it's so normal, how come people have a voice in their conscience that tells them otherwise? If gayness was truly normal, then no one would find fault with it. I'm not talking about just Christians now. I've met people who do not share my beliefs and they beleive it to be wrong.

 

Answer those questions for me and then your argument might defend itself.

 

 

okay first off, not everyone in the world is Christian as you've stated, but that doesn't mean ALL people whether Christian or not, believe the same thing as you. there might be some religions that don't mind gay people and bash them.

The Sixties? this is the 21st century people. things change, people think differently! not everyone thinks that gay guys/girls that walk down the street with their partner is disgusting, that's them showing their love, some people may find different though, but that's not the same thing as disgusting.

am well aware that not everyone shares my belief. Do y' think I'm stupid or sumthin? I'm not that ignorant. The way I think is that gayness is disgusting and I kno for a fact that there are others who feel the same way "Christian or not".

 

But that's my point. Times HAVE changed and gayness is still looked down upon. I will state my question again:

 

If gayness is so normal, then why are alot of people disgusted by it even though as you say "times have changed."

 

It's NOT truly normal.

 

But as the guy with the polo shirt avatar said (sorry couldn't remeber yer name) says beliefs being shoved down people's throat is not heaalthy and not right! That's exactly what this law is doing! It's forcing churches to change their beleifs about gays and you ALL kno that's not right! How would you like it if the schools suddenly started forcing a belief that you didn't agree with down yer throat? It sucks doesn't it? That was the whole point of this thread. I was trying to see if anyone would catch it.

 

I go now to fume.

 

I'm surprised Gareth isnt all over this - this is right up his alley!!

 

Would you care to rephrase that??:stunned:

okay first off, not everyone in the world is Christian as you've stated, but that doesn't mean ALL people whether Christian or not, believe the same thing as you. there might be some religions that don't mind gay people and bash them.

The Sixties? this is the 21st century people. things change, people think differently! not everyone thinks that gay guys/girls that walk down the street with their partner is disgusting, that's them showing their love, some people may find different though, but that's not the same thing as disgusting.

 

Alot of Americans still find it disgusting. If they didnt gay marriage would be legal

I swear, I used to love coldplaying.com. But now I feel like I cannot be a Christian and stay on these boards.

 

Really, I love this place. But the Christian-bashing is ridiculous. We get called out for everything while everyone else is just ignored. We state that we don't agree with homosexuality, and everyone jumps down our throats for pushing our views on other people; but people can rant and rave about giving homosexuals their rights and everybody finds that perfectly okay.

 

People pass us off as mindless zombies who escape reality by religion. That couldn't be farther from the truth. I used to post on these boards every day, but all the negativity towards me/my religion has caused me to drift away.

 

Just had to say that.

It boils down to a couple of things.....

 

People who are gay didn't make that choice. It's all out of their control..

 

People who are disgusted with 2 gay guys walking down the street holding hands need to seek some help...

 

I don't think there needs to be a class in schools about it exactly but there should be a focus on making kids more aware that it does exist....I imagine growning up as a hidden gay child at school is fucking tough....but if the kid knows that people are being made aware of homosexuality and how it's a part of life then it's going to make it a whole lot easier for many people.

 

It is true that homosexuals are against than grain of mother nature.....it's obvious to anyone because human sexual nature is to procreate....BUT I do not agree that there should be any laws at all that stop gay people being happy or giving them less rights.

 

It's obvious.

 

I'm in NO WAY religious....NOT AT ALL and if people who are religious feel the need to shout about how much homosexuals are annoying them then they should not do it around me because you people aren't the divine rulers of people......people who are just trying to live their lives....not your life....but theirs.

It boils down to a couple of things.....

 

People who are gay didn't make that choice. It's all out of their control..

 

People who are disgusted with 2 gay guys walking down the street holding hands need to seek some help...

 

I don't think there needs to be a class in schools about it exactly but there should be a focus on making kids more aware that it does exist....I imagine growning up as a hidden gay child at school is fucking tough....but if the kid knows that people are being made aware of homosexuality and how it's a part of life then it's going to make it a whole lot easier for many people.

 

It is true that homosexuals are against than grain of mother nature.....it's obvious to anyone because human sexual nature is to procreate....BUT I do not agree that there should be any laws at all that stop gay people being happy or giving them less rights.

 

It's obvious.

 

 

Why? I think being gay is sick but its a right. First of all being natural does not make it right. But anyone who think people need help for being disgusted needs help

 

feel the need to shout about how much homosexuals are annoying them then they should not do it around me because

 

Ok then, dont go into threads where they do it. No one is forcing you to read this

Hey, I don't find it attractive but that's because I am hetro.

 

And what do you mean, it's not right? You said it's natural and it's a right, so I asume you mean it's not "right" for some other reason....which is?

Alot do to some degree.

 

 

not in the public schools I've been too... in HS they would have a moment od silence after the pledge.... not morning prayers.. so whoever wanted to pray or meditate to their God could do so...

 

I don't think they even mention Jesus in the public schools in NY.... I could be wrong.. but, hey.......

 

 

as for the UK.. :stunned: really??

Yep, there's Religious Education (R.E) or Religious Instruction (R.I) taught to 11 - 16 year olds. You can actually get out of the class if you are a Jehovah's Witnesses etc...or if you just aren't religious you could ask your parents to write I letter I guess (I wish I had done that). Although most people didn't realise that when I was at School.

 

Anyway...they are (well, they were) mostly Christian teachings but we did look at other religions and their beliefs. We even took exams in R.E as standard....I wasn't happy about it then and now when I look back it's not right really....they should allow options to everyone at the start and you could take another class, one which you actaully WANT to do.

 

And if I remember back to when I was 4 through 11 we had only white children at my school and that was just because there wasn't any black or asians in the area - and we were taught the Bible and had Christmas Nativity plays without anyone having to not take part. It was taken as the rule...that everyone was Christian and they believed in God. It's like there was no other way.

 

And I just think to how much time I wasted. And that might seem funny to some people but I simply don't need a faith to be good, to do good and have a heathly, happy life. And I think that people need to be given the options.

i slighty disagree with you their gareth - At our school we learned about the main religions - jews, hindu, Sikh, islam.

 

Quite intresting to know what goes on and what other people believe etc - wish i'd actually paid attention now!

 

I agree with your last paragraph thou.

thats crazy!!

 

I guess in the States since Public Schools are funded by government ... we're suppose to have that seperation of church and state.. so, I use the term 'suppose to' because well..... shit happens.

i slighty disagree with you their gareth - At our school we learned about the main religions - jews, hindu, Sikh, islam.

 

Quite intresting to know what goes on and what other people believe etc - wish i'd actually paid attention now!

 

I agree with your last paragraph thou.

 

We learned a bit about jews, hindu, Sikh, islam too but it wasn't the main focus.

 

Well, I was just talking about what we experienced at our schools - in County Durham.

Hey, I don't find it attractive but that's because I am hetro.

 

And what do you mean, it's not right? You said it's natural and it's a right, so I asume you mean it's not "right" for some other reason....which is?

 

In my view its not right, sick and immoral. But so is alot of things.

If gayness is so normal, then why are alot of people disgusted by it even though as you say "times have changed."

 

Interracial marriage used to be disgusting. Not so much now.

 

Times have changed. ;)

 

But anyway... sometimes it seems what's right and wrong is formed by society/ the times. I don't know, but I'm kinda sitting on the fence on this issue. I don't know exactly where I stand. :/

Interracial marriage used to be disgusting. Not so much now.

 

Times have changed. ;)

 

But anyway... sometimes it seems what's right and wrong is formed by society/ the times. I don't know, but I'm kinda sitting on the fence on this issue. I don't know exactly where I stand. :/

 

One day having sex with animals will be normal;)

 

Im not even joking about this

One day having sex with animals will be normal;)

 

Im not even joking about this

 

It once was... right?

It once was... right?

 

No?

No?

 

I heard it was accepted in Egypt at a point...

 

I know it's not that credible to quote Wikipedia sometimes, but anyway...

 

""Bestiality... existed as a rather widespread practice in all the nations of antiquity of which we have adequate records. Where it is not specifically mentioned, it may be legitimately inferred on the basis of the over-all evidence.""

 

"In ancient Egypt, the animal aspects of the gods ensured that bestiality would be practiced both for religious and magical purposes. Herodotus states religious bestiality was practiced in Egypt - the most famous example being of course the copulations of women with goats."

 

There's your sick piece of education for the day. :wacko:

One day having sex with animals will be normal;)

 

Im not even joking about this

 

In New Zealand, it already is!!:P

In New Zealand' date=' it already [i']is!!:P[/i]

 

 

Ewww

Ewww

 

No - EWE!!:rolleyes: