It boils down to a couple of things.....

 

People who are gay didn't make that choice. It's all out of their control..

 

People who are disgusted with 2 gay guys walking down the street holding hands need to seek some help...

 

I don't think there needs to be a class in schools about it exactly but there should be a focus on making kids more aware that it does exist....I imagine growning up as a hidden gay child at school is fucking tough....but if the kid knows that people are being made aware of homosexuality and how it's a part of life then it's going to make it a whole lot easier for many people.

 

It is true that homosexuals are against than grain of mother nature.....it's obvious to anyone because human sexual nature is to procreate....BUT I do not agree that there should be any laws at all that stop gay people being happy or giving them less rights.

 

It's obvious.

 

I'm in NO WAY religious....NOT AT ALL and if people who are religious feel the need to shout about how much homosexuals are annoying them then they should not do it around me because you people aren't the divine rulers of people......people who are just trying to live their lives....not your life....but theirs.

 

 

well said i think. i'm not religios but people whom i know are, don't go ranting and raving about what they think about certain people.(ie: homosexuals) they get over it and move on.

One day having sex with animals will be normal;)

 

Im not even joking about this

 

 

how is this even remotely similar? Are you comparing the two?

how is this even remotely similar? Are you comparing the two?

 

 

Yes.

Yes.

 

 

you're saying inter-racial marriages are as disgusting as having sex with animals???? :angry:

 

 

because this is what I gathered from your response to Alyssa's comment...... then I asked if you were comparing the two......

you're saying inter-racial marriages are as disgusting as having sex with animals???? :angry:

 

 

because this is what I gathered from your response to Alyssa's comment...... then I asked if you were comparing the two......

 

 

When are we talking about inter-racial marriages!? we are talking about being Gay.....I have no problem with them. But i thought you were talking about being Gay(that is what this whole thread is about)

oHHH so gay marriages are disgusting???

oHHH so gay marriages are disgusting???

 

:stunned:

oHHH so gay marriages are disgusting???

 

Yes.

 

But u guys are missing the point! It's wrong to be gay in my view, yes, but to give them special rights is wrong! The thing that makes me madder than anything is that the gays GET special rights. "All men are created equal" to quote the Declaration of Independance and instilling special "rights" to some people but not others is completely unfair! I don't believe no one thinks this unfair!

 

No one is getting my point for this thread. I couldn't give a crap what people think about gays. I could have guessed half the responses. I just wanted people to see the unjustness of these laws.

 

Special rights to some people=BAD THING!

oHHH so gay marriages are disgusting???

 

Indeed, but people should have a right to do what they want. Im pro gay marraige but dont like it.

Yes.

 

But u guys are missing the point! It's wrong to be gay in my view, yes, but to give them special rights is wrong! The thing that makes me madder than anything is that the gays GET special rights. "All men are created equal" to quote the Declaration of Independance and instilling special "rights" to some people but not others is completely unfair! I don't believe no one thinks this unfair!

 

No one is getting my point for this thread. I couldn't give a crap what people think about gays. I could have guessed half the responses. I just wanted people to see the unjustness of these laws.

 

Special rights to some people=BAD THING!

 

You are wrong, we arent giving them special rights, but would be giving them equal rights like they deserve. They should be treated equally by everyone and the Government. Remember once our nation thought Black people didnt deserve equal rights and it would be no different if we didnt give them to everyone. We'd be doing to Gays what America did to African American for along time after slavery ended. And Being gay in my view is wrong, but not giving them equal rights is just as wrong.

You are wrong' date=' we arent giving them special rights, but would be giving them equal rights like they deserve. [b']They should be treated equally by everyone and the Government. Remember once our nation thought Black people didnt deserve equal rights and it would be no different if we didnt give them to everyone.[/b] We'd be doing to Gays what America did to African American for along time after slavery ended. And Being gay in my view is wrong, but not giving them equal rights is just as wrong.

 

^ that isn't the same as .............

 

A new law has been passed that homosexuality is to be tought as a normal alternate lifestyle in schools and no one is allowed to slander gays and a church that preaches against gays is subject to lawsuit by the ACLU. They will also do no construction or repair for them.

 

 

this^^

 

 

so I can have someone go to jail because they call me a spic?? that just stupid.... jail time for slander????? ridiculous... thats not equality.. this isn't an issue of equality........

Might I add that ironically.. lol the google add at the bottom of my page is for gay and lesbian wedding rings! :lol:

WHY?! Whay does this happen? All men are created equal but gays lower THEMSELVES. THEY'RE the ones who are gay. THEY'RE the ones who made that decision to be gay. Thus, they shot THEMSELVES in the foot.

 

Gayness shouldn't be treated as normal because it ISN'T normal. If it is so normal, why wasn't it taught in the sixtees? Or even any time in the past before now? If it's so normal, how come people are disgusted when they see two gay men holding hands? If it's so normal, how come people have a voice in their conscience that tells them otherwise? If gayness was truly normal, then no one would find fault with it. I'm not talking about just Christians now. I've met people who do not share my beliefs and they beleive it to be wrong.

 

Answer those questions for me and then your argument might defend itself.

 

You've got a very false image of gays! You cannot choose if you are gay or if you are it not... its so or its not so! well you think in the past didn't exist gays? well there were also gays!! but there it was forbidden. so the gays didn't out themselves. but it changed and now gays more and more stand to that what they are!

Tell me whats normal? Definit normal. The most would say: normal is the majority... so a gay is maybe a minority in all ppl but if you would go to a gaybar. Who would be then the normal? then all would say you are not normal.

I think you cannot say this is normal and this not.

And I can tell you why some ppl like you have a "voice in their conscience that tells them otherwise" thats because too much ppl say t be gay is not normal its odious and false and what else.

 

tell me. is it normal to black or white? what would you say? are you also againts black ppl? I mean earlier they were sklaves of many whites. but today the most accept them. and do you know why?

because the fight for their rights!!

And now its the same with the gays. they have a hard fight... but maybe in the future all ppl can be tolerant of all.

Isn't it shit wayne what ppl are? I think the character is the important thing. Not the color, sexuality, descent or what else.

this isn't an issue of equality........

 

In some ways it is. IE Gay couples want to be equal to others and get married, however on this issue about the law no. I didnt make myself clear, sorry.

You are wrong' date=' we arent giving them special rights, but would be giving them equal rights like they deserve. They should be treated equally by everyone and the Government. Remember once our nation thought Black people didnt deserve equal rights and it would be no different if we didnt give them to everyone. We'd be doing to Gays what America did to African American for along time after slavery ended. And Being gay in my view is wrong, but not giving them equal rights is just as wrong.[/quote']

 

 

I don't think its really a fair comparison either.... you don't segregation on this front like we did in the 60s or 50s with blacks... have you seen any diners that say Gay Entrance or Straight Entrance??

 

Are Gays forced to give their seat up to a straight person on a bus?

 

I hardly think so........

 

 

granted, I am all for equal recognition of a married gay couple.... I don't believe its wrong to love someone of the same sex... its LOVE no matter what.... but the ACLU needs to bark up another issue than this one..... they could be fighting for something that makes sense.. this is just a weenie move..... stupid.

You've got a very false image of gays! You cannot choose if you are gay or if you are it not... its so or its not so! well you think in the past didn't exist gays? well there were also gays!! but there it was forbidden. so the gays didn't out themselves. but it changed and now gays more and more stand to that what they are!

Tell me whats normal? Definit normal. The most would say: normal is the majority... so a gay is maybe a minority in all ppl but if you would go to a gaybar. Who would be then the normal? then all would say you are not normal.

I think you cannot say this is normal and this not.

And I can tell you why some ppl like you have a "voice in their conscience that tells them otherwise" thats because too much ppl say t be gay is not normal its odious and false and what else.

 

tell me. is it normal to black or white? what would you say? are you also againts black ppl? I mean earlier they were sklaves of many whites. but today the most accept them. and do you know why?

because the fight for their rights!!

And now its the same with the gays. they have a hard fight... but maybe in the future all ppl can be tolerant of all.

Isn't it shit wayne what ppl are? I think the character is the important thing. Not the color, sexuality, descent or what else.

 

 

Well in defence of alot of people who think being gay is wrong, just because you are born a certian way does not make it right. That arguement is flawed.

In some ways it is. IE Gay couples want to be equal to others and get married' date=' however on this issue about the law no. I didnt make myself clear, sorry.[/quote']

 

 

but the thread isn't about marriage... its about slandering a gay person and being charged with a felony.... or soemthing like that... jail time.

I don't think its really a fair comparison either.... you don't segregation on this front like we did in the 60s or 50s with blacks... have you seen any diners that say Gay Entrance or Straight Entrance??

 

Are Gays forced to give their seat up to a straight person on a bus?

 

I hardly think so........

 

 

granted, I am all for equal recognition of a married gay couple.... I don't believe its wrong to love someone of the same sex... its LOVE no matter what.... but the ACLU needs to bark up another issue than this one..... they could be fighting for something that makes sense.. this is just a weenie move..... stupid.

 

Its similar in that the government did not treat them equally, not similar in how they were treated IE as you show in your examples. But similar in both cases they are not equal to others.

 

Both have been or still are treated less human and have less rights. Maybe not treated in the exact same way, but still not treated equally

well thats why its not a fair comparison! :P

 

 

the main fight here is that the govt. does not recognize same sex marriages as legal because 'the bible' says that it should be between a man and a woman....... how stupid is that? And I'M Catholic!! Where's the seperation of church and state????

have you seen any diners that say Gay Entrance or Straight Entrance??

 

/quote]

 

I hope not.......................people might take it the wrong way!!:rolleyes:

I've just read through this thread and it's truely pathetic.

 

Some of the comments made are so completely backwards that there really is no words to describe how much disgust I feel towards the some people.

 

Comments like:

 

"Being Gay is wrong"

"Because you are born a certian way (i.e Gay) does not make it right"

"All men are created equal but gays lower THEMSELVES"

"THEY'RE the ones who are gay"

"THEY'RE the ones who made that decision to be gay - thus, they shot THEMSELVES in the foot"

"If it is so normal, why wasn't it taught in the sixtees?"

 

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE? WHO FUCKED UP ALL YOUR MORALS....YOUR HUMAN MORALS, NOT YOUR RELIGIOUS HANG-UPS!!!

 

It's that simple - the comments are 100% wrong and I don't care for anyone who thinks otherwise.

^ your avatar scares me :uhoh: its a cool effect thought....

 

 

ok back to topic...

 

its pretty surprising to hear/read those comments as well..... makes me womder what it it they are really surpressing behind those words... they say one thing.. but feel another.

California Governor Vetoes Two More 'Gay Agenda' Bills

CNSNews.com ^ | September 29, 2006 | By Susan Jones CNSNews.com Senior Editor

 

CNSNews.com) - California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has vetoed all three "sexual indoctrination" bills passed earlier this year.

 

Conservative activists said Schwarzenegger was responding to election-year pressure from "irate parents and grandparents." Advocates for homosexuality said the veto leaves California students "vulnerable to bias and intimidation based on sexual orientation and gender identity."

 

Late Thursday, Schwarzenegger vetoed Assembly Bill 606, which would have required that state funds be withheld from any school district that does not adopt a "model policy" prohibiting discrimination and harassment based on sexual orientation and gender identity.

 

Critics say the bill would have forced schools to promote transsexuality, bisexuality, and homosexuality on school campuses. Supporters called it the "Safe School Act," and they said AB 606 -- in addition to creating a "model anti-discrimination and harassment policy for school districts" -- would have required schools to track and document all bias-related complaints brought by students.

 

AB 1056, also vetoed on Thursday, would have allocated special funds for a Tolerance Education Pilot Program to teach kids about "tolerance and intergroup relations," including "actual or perceived gender."

 

"We thank God that children in California public schools will be protected from this direct assault for one more year," said Randy Thomasson, president of the Campaign for Children and Families (CCF), a conservative, pro-family organization.

 

"The Democrat politicians and teacher unions are relentlessly pushing to sexually indoctrinate kids. Schwarzenegger has delayed them for now."

 

In his veto messages, Schwarzenegger said he vetoed AB 606 because it was "irresponsible" to create a new state mandate on schools, and he noted that existing laws already deal with discrimination and harassment in the schools.

 

The governor said he vetoed AB 1056 because it duplicated current efforts to provide "more avenues to teach about tolerance and human rights."

 

Earlier this month, Schwarzenegger vetoed SB 1437, which would have changed school textbooks to require positive portrayals of transsexuality, bisexuality, and homosexuality.

 

The Campaign for Children and Families thanked everyone who called and wrote to the governor. "Cherish the victory and pray to God that these sexual indoctrination bills never, ever return," Thomasson said.

 

But activists on the other side of the issue expressed disappointment. They said Schwarzenegger, in vetoing AB 606, has rejected a "simple nondiscrimination bill" that would have strengthened existing protections for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) students in public schools.

 

"Some California schools are choosing to ignore the current law prohibiting discrimination and harassment of LGBT students, and to veto a bill that would help enforce that law is shameful," said Geoff Kors, executive director of Equality California.

 

"The governor is ignoring the needs of students who are teased and bullied because they are or are perceived to be LGBT. The governor claims to have spent most of his life fighting discrimination and teaching children about tolerance, yet he has vetoed every bill he has seen that would do just that."

 

Supporters of AB 606 point to studies showing that LGBT students are more likely than their peers to use drugs, consider suicide, be victimized by violence, or carry a weapon to school. "By declining to sign AB 606, the governor has let these students down," said the bill's sponsor, Democratic Assemblymember Lloyd Levine.

 

But conservatives thanked Schwarzenegger for taking a stand against what they describe as the sexual indoctrination of children -- and the use of public schools to force acceptance of immoral behavior under the guise of political correctness.

 

SOURCE: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1710852/posts

 

 

 

Just thought this thread needed something else ;)

well thats why its not a fair comparison! :P

 

 

the main fight here is that the govt. does not recognize same sex marriages as legal because 'the bible' says that it should be between a man and a woman....... how stupid is that? And I'M Catholic!! Where's the seperation of church and state????

 

Its not just about the Bible, its the fact the majority does not want it and thinks it is sick, but that does not make it right.

 

 

But it was a very good comparison, in that both were treated as less then human and didnt have equal rights. Both may not have been treated in the same way though. Im not saying Gays have it worse then African Americans used to but they were seen the same way in alot of ways. Bottom line it is adn was wrong

I've just read through this thread and it's truely pathetic.

 

Some of the comments made are so completely backwards that there really is no words to describe how much disgust I feel towards the some people.

 

Comments like:

 

"Being Gay is wrong"

"Because you are born a certian way (i.e Gay) does not make it right"

"All men are created equal but gays lower THEMSELVES"

"THEY'RE the ones who are gay"

"THEY'RE the ones who made that decision to be gay - thus, they shot THEMSELVES in the foot"

"If it is so normal, why wasn't it taught in the sixtees?"

 

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE? WHO FUCKED UP ALL YOUR MORALS....YOUR HUMAN MORALS, NOT YOUR RELIGIOUS HANG-UPS!!!

 

It's that simple - the comments are 100% wrong and I don't care for anyone who thinks otherwise.

 

 

Ummm just because someone is born a certian way is immaterial to if it is right or moral. My beliefs do not come from religion on this.

 

MY views from this come from my HUMAN morals, and coming from that makes me believe they have a right to be and have equal rights.

 

You're comment is 110% wrong. Nothing immoral about thinking being homosexual is immoral, no more immoral then to think drugs are, or technology is......