TraceOddity Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 Hartford did not get an encore, they got the same setlist as Toronto and DC Ah, gotcha. Too bad, but I sort of understand why they do it that way...they want to begin and end the album and sew it all up neatly, but I'd have prefered encores too. Did Hartford also get The Hardest Part in 2 segments?;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gretchen1619 Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 The issue of fan entitlement has come up before, but people crabbing about Coldplay's performance last weekend in Hartford suggests it's time for a refresher. Some Coldplay adherent are unhappy with just about everything the band did -- or didn't do -- at XL Center last Saturday night: The group didn't play long enough, no one apologized for changing the date of the show from July to August, they didn't finish playing the last 18 seconds of "Hardest Part," they charged too much, they didn't play a proper encore by some standards. There's an easy solution to all of that: Stay home. At home, you have total control. You can create your perfect set list on iTunes and listen to it wherever you go on your mp3 player and not pay $8 for a beer. If you buy a concert ticket, though, you have to be willing to surrender control. It's caveat emptor: You pays your money and you takes your chances. Fans who buy concert tickets are not entitled to live renditions of their favorite songs. They're not entitled to 120 minutes of non-stop music. They're not entitled to encores, which have become an empty gesture anyway. If you pay your money and come away disappointed, well, you are entitled to that -- everyone has a different idea of what makes for a great show. But if you often find yourself disappointed after a concert, why do you keep going to concerts? http://blogs.courant.com/eric_danton_sound_check/2008/08/dissatisfied-coldplay-fans-gri.html BusyBeeBurns: Your post is somewhat pathetic, especially where you tell fans who express less-than-positive opinions about the current tour to "stay home." You're basically telling people not to have an opinion. (Or maybe in your world, you would permit us to have an opinion, but just not to express it out loud.) What's wrong with expressing disappointment about a band's song selection, show length, or encore? And what's up with "coldplaying.com" featuring this particular blog on its homepage, but not others? I always assumed that fans were free to express their likes and dislikes on this website. (I'm assuming that's why it's called a "forum.") After all, music is all about the expression of ideas, likes, and dislikes. Why would/should a fan website not encourage that same expression? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fakfak Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 "Hartford did not get an encore, they got the same setlist as Toronto and DC" Just to clear things up, everthing after the acoustic set is intended to be the encore. At the Chicago shows, Chris said something to this effect, at other shows he may not have. So if anything the band needs to be clearer about the end of the main set/start of the encore as people are appearently getting confused. However, many of the earlier shows did get an added 2nd encore, my guess is this was stopped due to Chris' cold. Perhaps when he recovers fully, it will be added back in. As for people sitting, that's just part of a big arena show. With a crowd that large, a large percentage of the audience will always be casual fans of the band who will not show the same enthousiasm(sp) as the more dedicated fans (which is what anybody posting here probably is.) AND BTW-Gretchen, Busybee Burns is NOT the author of the original post, It's an article from a newspaper in Hartford which in his capacity as Mod he posted here (as he does with all CP related articles positive or negative) If you have a problem with said article, take it up with the author, not the board mod who is just trying to post imformation of interest to those who follow the band, which is what this site exists for in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TraceOddity Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 THANK YOU fakfak. I really appreciate someone clearing that one up so that we can't bitch about yet another thing Coldplay owes us. And you're right. They should be more clear about that.:) I made a thread a while back called 'Coldplay Damned Well Better...' bemoaning the usual fan BS, and I'll sum it up here quickly. They DO owe their fans their career. They DON'T owe us their lives. Chris is still sick, fer f**k's sakes. Do you want him healthy, or do you just want your way, people? The band aren't robots and they can only do so much. Yes, people are most definitely entitled to their opinions, good or bad, but stop acting like the band owes us more than they've given. I guess free songs and shows just aren't enough for some people.:P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pseudonym Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 Ah, gotcha. Too bad, but I sort of understand why they do it that way...they want to begin and end the album and sew it all up neatly, but I'd have prefered encores too. Did Hartford also get The Hardest Part in 2 segments?;) Yeah, I dont really mind, the whole show was awesome! We got a partial Hardest Part but then they went on to Yellow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TraceOddity Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 Yeah, I dont really mind, the whole show was awesome! We got a partial Hardest Part but then they went on to Yellow Yeah, that's pretty much what happened in Toronto. Chris started it, 'messed up', quit the song, then the band come back to it later in the show...and didn't play the last 18 seconds,lol. Obviously it's rehearsed, but it's still funny.:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fakfak Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 At the risk of being slaughtered by a lot of you guys, I think it comes down to one simple thing: Coldplay ARE NOT a great live band Coldplay ARE a good live band They will never (IMHO) be as good as U2 or Radiohead live, but they are really enjoyable if you take them on their own terms. It's funny to me that their detractors always say Coldplay aren't as good as "this or that other band", yet turn around and b^%ch when they aren't as good as those same bands live. That logic just doesn't make sense...:dozey: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TraceOddity Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 At the risk of being slaughtered by a lot of you guys, I think it comes down to one simple thing: Coldplay ARE NOT a great live band Coldplay ARE a good live band They will never (IMHO) be as good as U2 or Radiohead live, but they are really enjoyable if you take them on their own terms. It's funny to me that their detractors always say Coldplay aren't as good as "this or that other band", yet turn around and b^%ch when they aren't as good as those same bands live. That logic just doesn't make sense...:dozey: I don't entirely agree with you, but IMHO they were better on the AROBTTH tour than they've been since. Just my opinion though. No slaughtering from this poster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fakfak Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 My only point was that maybe the reason why they don't measure up to some other bands, is that they are not as good as those other bands. Stop thinking of Coldplay as "the next u2" and most of ther issues people have will be gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TraceOddity Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 WHether I agree about them not being a GREAT live band or not, I totally agree with your last post. Just let coldplay be coldplay and you won't be so disappointed next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fakfak Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 Let me rephrase, They are a GREAT live band, but not by any means the GREATEST live band I've seen. My Top Live Bands: 1. U2 2. Muse 3. The White Stripes 4. Radiohead 5. The Black Crowes (only when Marc Ford was in the lineup) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TraceOddity Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 Let me rephrase, They are a GREAT live band, but not by any means the GREATEST live band I've seen. My Top Live Bands: 1. U2 2. Muse 3. The White Stripes 4. Radiohead 5. The Black Crowes (only when Marc Ford was in the lineup) Agreed about the black Crowes. Not so great anymore. I have a friend who's seen most of those bands and still thinks Coldplay put on a better show...but that was 2002, like I said. It's all just opinions, and we're all entitled to them.:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fakfak Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 "Agreed about the black Crowes. Not so great anymore." The 2005 Reunion tour was the high point for me, but I also saw them in 2001 when they toured with Oasis and Spacehog and that had to be one of the flat out best gigs I've ever seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TraceOddity Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 I saw them in Boston in 2001, and they put on a great show!:) Another amazing band is Counting Crows. I saw them open for LIVE and they blew them off the stage,lol. Anyway, I guess thee's already a thread for this, sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fakfak Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 What's to be sorry about?:) BTW- where is that picture of Chris in your Avatar taken from? It seems a bit odd for him to be photographed without pants...:laugh3: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pseudonym Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 Let me rephrase, They are a GREAT live band, but not by any means the GREATEST live band I've seen. My Top Live Bands: 1. U2 2. Muse 3. The White Stripes 4. Radiohead 5. The Black Crowes (only when Marc Ford was in the lineup) I'm sorry, I thought you may have made a mistake. How can there be a list of the top 5 best live bands without Dave Matthews Band? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TraceOddity Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 What's to be sorry about?:) BTW- where is that picture of Chris in your Avatar taken from? It seems a bit odd for him to be photographed without pants...:laugh3: DMB are3 pretty awesome live. The picture's from the 2005 MTV Europe awards. It was from a backstage skit where Borat steals Chris's pants,lol. I think there's still a clip somewhere in MM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pseudonym Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 DMB are3 pretty awesome live. They are pioneers in how live shows are performed today. I personally would also include O.A.R. in a top 5, cuz they are right up there with DMB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fakfak Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 "How can there be a list of the top 5 best live bands without Dave Matthews Band?" For a few reasons: -I don't particularly like Jam Bands, (and before you jump on me, I know the Black Crowes could be considered a Jam Band.:P) -I have a few issues with their live sets sometimes. (mixing it up, which you are right the pioneered is great but they go to far sometimes.) I've seen them do sets mostly of b-sides, rareties and whatnot, which me being a casual fan (if you can even consider me that), left me wondering what the f^&k they were playing for long portions of the set -They tend to play outdoor venues which I hate with a seething passion. (Amphitheater's suck!) -There fans tend to be a bit too hippy for my taste, so being jammed in with a mass of thousands of them tends to sour my live experience. I've seen them twice though (both times because friends wanted to go and someone else bought my ticket.), and given that I don't particularly like them, they are fairly good as a live act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TraceOddity Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 Being a bit of a hippy who plays in a jam band, I'll try not to despair and cut my wrists,lol.;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fakfak Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 Nothing against it, it's just not my thing. That's one of the problems with music in general today, people can't grasp the fact that everything won't appeal to everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pseudonym Posted August 8, 2008 Share Posted August 8, 2008 Nothing against it, it's just not my thing. That's one of the problems with music in general today, people can't grasp the fact that everything won't appeal to everyone. I get it, but if you make a list like that you should really put them even if youre not crazy about them. Just my opinion.;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fakfak Posted August 9, 2008 Share Posted August 9, 2008 The list was of MY top five live acts. DMB is NOT one of my top five live acts. Being that's it's a matter of opinion, I don't see why I should list them when I don't enjoy them as much live as the bands I did name... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pseudonym Posted August 9, 2008 Share Posted August 9, 2008 The list was of MY top five live acts. DMB is NOT one of my top five live acts. Being that's it's a matter of opinion, I don't see why I should list them when I don't enjoy them as much live as the bands I did name... ok. sorry :thinking: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fakfak Posted August 9, 2008 Share Posted August 9, 2008 "ok. sorry" I didn't mean my reply to be rude or harsh, but I can see (now) how it kind of does read that way. If I offended you, I apologize.:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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