The F1 Racing Thread: From GP to GP Weekly Discussion

[Larry]

^ nah, to be honest, it's not RTL that gets on my nerves.

i must admit that they have focussed on the german drivers anyway, so they always had a good connection to sebastian.

 

(hehe, i once watched it on premiere and i didn't like it too much. especially, that weirdo woman that always wears a headband.)

 

it's just that every channel now broadcasts specials about vettel. i do like him, too. especially because he somehow grew up next door. yet i fear that people might hype him too much and will be disappointed next season when he might not be that successful. and then they're gonna start talking shit about him... just the usual way.

 

I'd rather watch the woman with her headband than Kai Ebel in pink shirts. :laugh3:

 

Well I don't like both broadcasts. The commercial breaks on RTL are getting on my nerves though. But I don't really watch Formula 1 very often. This time I was just curious about the new race at night in Singapore. :) That's all!

[*CoLdPlaY.4.EveR*]

C'mon Alonso!!!!

Great race!

[Guest Grace]

I'd rather watch the woman with her headband than Kai Ebel in pink shirts. :laugh3:

oh, i love kai ebel. but i'm afraid i'm gonna take his job one day. :laugh3:

[Loki0012]

Yeah the on ething that happened to ferarri was funny.. ferraris luick is fading clearly ..........theyre cursed

[Petit Prince]

That's why I watch Formula 1 on Premiere instead of RTL. ;)

 

I can't stand the hype about Vettel (although I really like him), only because he has won a race last time. Oh and Kai Ebel is such a style freak. I would make fun of him if he would do an interview with me while wearing a poncho. :dozey:

 

He's awful and so is Heiko Wasser. I quite like Christian Danner though.

 

You Germans are quite lucky, they show so much more than in the UK. There's also ORF1, which shows the Warm Up and the Friday Practise.

[Guest Grace]

the commentators on RTL are quite alright, i just don't like that they always wanna built up artificial excitement when it comes to ferrari. e.g. when räikkönen's engine blows up they're immediately like,"OMG!!! this is so gonna happen to massa too! watch out, ferrari!"

or when one of the ferraris leads the race and there are only 3 laps more to go and they slow down, they always predict that something's wrong. (they're just saving some engine power. come on!)

i know they have to say crap like that, but still... it's annoying after a while.

and i don't get why they're now supporting the german drivers and hoping for german wins. well, we had the best driver of all times and every time he won, they were just disappointed. he was german too, folks. i do not understand you!

[Petit Prince]

the commentators on RTL are quite alright, i just don't like that they always wanna built up artificial excitement when it comes to ferrari. e.g. when räikkönen's engine blows up they're immediately like,"OMG!!! this is so gonna happen to massa too! watch out, ferrari!"

or when one of the ferraris leads the race and there are only 3 laps more to go and they slow down, they always predict that something's wrong. (they're just saving some engine power. come on!)

 

i know they have to say crap like that, but still... it's annoying after a while.

 

and i don't get why they're now supporting the german drivers and hoping for german wins. well, we had the best driver of all times and every time he won, they were just disappointed. he was german too, folks. i do not understand you!

 

That's just ridiculous.

 

They just say it because they don't know what else to say. Still it is annoying.

 

They did want Schumacher to win though?! I watched Formula One on RTL for like eight years and well they did criticise Schumacher from time to time. But they generally seemed to support him.

 

It's so stupid in Britain. There are a lot of people, who dislike Hamilton because of the hype. What the hell? It's not like he could do anything about it.

[Guest Grace]

^ hahaha. it's the same with michael, i guess. a lot of people hated him back in his glorious years.

[Loki0012]

Japanese Grand Prix up and COMING!

[Guest Grace]

yeah, the practice session must be on right now.

however, i can't wait for the race weekend. i'm hoping for a 1-2 victory for ferrari. :smiley:

[Loki0012]

A 3 & 8 for ferrari

 

^^ Oh Ive watched the race exciting stuff! One of the best races ive seen.... Ferrari only had 3rd and 8th resepectively for kimi and massa. Im really glad Kimi's back at the podium....

 

Mclaren had their Fair SHARE of Karma on this race!,,, Kovailainen breaking down and Hamilton Penalized and flipped over.......

 

Did you see the first part when both Mclarens sort of pushed most off the Ferraris and other cars to the outer track? Its like a weird evil strategy for them that backfired.... Im glad they never got a point.

 

Ferraris back at the top of the constructors championship and massa up by only one point adn kimi with 5!!!! I know its dim for me to hope for Kimmi to be third on the championship but Hopes for Massa are still burning to spoil The Egoistic Hamilton for the Championship!

 

The funnies part was if you guys noticed the part when Alonso is about to win and Hamilton was the backmarker and alonso Overtakes him But.. I think Hamilton had a HUGE EGO for overtaking ALonso again despite him being a Backmarker?

[Petit Prince]

^Someone doesn't like Hamilton and McLaren.

 

People make mistakes you know.

[Guest Grace]

hahaha, i totally agree with everything you said, loki! :laugh3:

i thought it was quite a dumb move to overtake alonso in the last corner. haha. lewis obviously just wanted to show off that his car actually is competitive. what an idiot.

it really is karma. that's at least what i hope.

last year kimi managed to win the WC although lewis was leading by 17 points before the last two races. now he's 5 points away from massa and chances are good for felipe to win the WDC. i hope he won't become too nervous. both massa and hamilton were rather short-tempered.

i also like that kubica is back in the race for the WDC. that's pretty funny imo. i want massa to win, but if we won't make it, kubica would make a great champion. :laugh3:

anyone's better than lewis, i guess. :P

[Loki0012]

Oh SOrry guys to those who tune in this thread i havent really updated it since i watched the Japan And CHinese GP CHina a fantastic race ive gotta say..... Im postingf a special thread on who do you think wouold win the F! Championshoip and for 3rd place etc.... see ya guys!! We have diff timezones so if im here its midngiht probably in ur place

[Loki0012]

In CHina ---And yeah It was pretty funny the part when Kimi Obviusly slowed down to make Massa pass T

[Petit Prince]

In CHina ---And yeah It was pretty funny the part when Kimi Obviusly slowed down to make Massa pass T

 

Funny? They probably would have disqualified McLaren if their drivers had done the same thing.

[Black Rose]

I wonder what tricks the FIA will do to make Massa win, after-all they can't have a mcclaren win

[Loki0012]

^^Are u sure???? U keep on saying that waht if? Luis wins?

[Black Rose]

If a Ferrari doesn't win, the FIA won't get their christmas gifts from Ferrari this year :P

 

Besides it's nice for a British driver to win something for a chance

[Loki0012]

Youve got a point

[busybeeburns]

Massa on pole as Hamilton falters

 

Massa takes his third straight pole for the Brazilian Grand Prix

 

Felipe Massa gained a crucial advantage over world title rival Lewis Hamilton as he captured pole position for the season-ending Brazilian Grand Prix.

 

The Ferrari driver set a benchmark of one minute 12.368 seconds but Hamilton could not match it and finished almost half a second behind in fourth.

 

Toyota's Jarno Trulli collected second ahead of Ferrari's Kimi Raikkonen.

 

Hamilton has a seven-point lead in the title race which means Massa must win or finish second to deny him the title.

 

But even if Massa wins, McLaren's Hamilton only needs to finish fifth to become Britain's first world champion since Damon Hill in 1996.

 

"I will try to do my best to win the race, which is the most important thing," said Massa, who claimed his third successive pole in Sao Paulo.

 

"It's a great start to the weekend. We have 71 laps ahead of us which is pretty long, but it is always better to start at the front.

 

"It's so nice to make the third pole in Brazil in front of my people; it's difficult to describe but it's a dream come true."

 

Qualifying result for the Brazilian Grand Prix at Interlagos:

 

1. Felipe Massa (Brz) Ferrari 1min 12.368secs

2. Jarno Trulli (Ita) Toyota 1:12.737

3. Kimi Raikkonen (Fin Ferrari 1:12.825

4. Lewis Hamilton (GB) McLaren-Mercedes 1:12.830

5. Heikki Kovalainen (Fin) McLaren-Mercedes 1:12.917

6. Fernando Alonso (Spn) Renault 1:12.967

7. Sebastian Vettel (Ger) Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:13.082

8. Nick Heidfeld (Ger) BMW Sauber 1:13.297

9. Sebastien Bourdais (Fra) Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:14.105

10. Timo Glock (Ger) Toyota 1:14.230

11. Nelson Piquet (Brz) Renault 1:12.137

12. Mark Webber (Aus) Red Bull-Renault 1:12.289

13. Robert Kubica (Pol) BMW Sauber 1:12.300

14. David Coulthard (GB) Red Bull-Renault 1:12.717

15. Rubens Barrichello (Brz) Honda 1:13.139

16. Kazuki Nakajima (Jpn) Williams-Toyota 1:12.800

17. Jenson Button (GB) Honda 1:12.810

18. Nico Rosberg (Ger) Williams-Toyota 1:13.002

19. Giancarlo Fisichella (Ita) Force India-Ferrari 1:13.426

20. Adrian Sutil (Ger) Force India-Ferrari 1:13.508

 

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If Massa wins in Brazil, Hamilton must finish at least fifth to be champion

If Massa is second, Hamilton must finish at least seventh

If Massa is third or lower, Hamilton is champion regardless of his result in Brazil

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7704154.stm

[Black Rose]

This is when Kimi rams Hammy off the track

[Larry]

Congratulations Hamilton! What an exciting last round!

 

 

:wacky: :D

[iPsy]

Congrats Lewis! :D

[busybeeburns]

Brazilian Grand Prix

 

 

Lewis Hamilton became the youngest world champion in Formula One history by the skin of his teeth after a nail-biting Brazilian Grand Prix.

 

The English McLaren driver's title rival Felipe Massa won the race in his Ferrari but Hamilton grabbed the fifth place he needed at the last corner.

 

A late-race rain shower looked to have cost Hamilton the title when he dropped to sixth after a stop for wet tyres.

 

But he passed Toyota's Timo Glock as they entered the pit straight.

 

Renault's Fernando Alonso, the previous youngest champion, was second ahead of Massa's team-mate Kimi Raikkonen and Toro Rosso's Sebastian Vettel.

 

Hamilton's success buries the ghosts of last year, when after a remarkable debut season he let slip a massive lead in the final two races and Raikkonen sneaked in to win the title.

 

Ultimately, there were no similar mistakes this time around - but as he entered the final lap Hamilton was not going to win the title. He - like Massa - had stopped to change to wet tyres as the rain fell in the closing laps.

 

But while the Brazilian held on to his lead, Hamilton dropped to fifth place behind Glock - who stayed on dry tyres.

 

Hamilton then lost that position - which was the minimum he needed if Massa won - when he was passed at the start of the penultimate lap by Vettel.

 

Hamilton tried hard to get back past the German, but he could not get close enough to him and he would have thought he had lost the title until he came to the last two corners of the lap.

 

There, Glock - who had started the final lap 18 seconds ahead of Hamilton - was struggling badly on the now-slick track and the McLaren slipped passed the Toyota as it accelerated up the hill towards the finish line.

 

"It's pretty impossible to put into words," Hamilton said.

 

"I thought do I have it? Do I have it? And when they told me I was ecstastic."

 

It was heartbreaking for Massa, whose family were celebrating what they thought was his success for a few seconds until they realised what had happened.

 

"It was an emotional day for me. You get here and you've almost done everything perfect but we saw Lewis passing Glock again and that mixed emotion.

 

"Unfortunately we missed [out] by one point but that's racing.

 

"We need to be proud of our race and our championship. It's one more day of our life when I will learn a lot but for sure I'm very emotional."

 

His only consolation was that his victory helped secure the constructors' title for Ferrari.

 

The thrilling climax was a stark contrast to the rest of the race, which Hamilton had approached with the caution he felt was required to avoid mistakes.

 

The 23-year-old - watched from the sidelines by his girlfriend Nicole Scherzinger, singer with the Pussycat Dolls - went into the race knowing he only had to finish fifth even if Massa won his home event.

 

That luxury showed in the way in which he and his McLaren team approached the Grand Prix.

 

A shower of rain five minutes before the scheduled start introduced a random element that was exactly what Hamilton did not need.

 

It caused a five-minute delay and shaped the entire race.

 

The heavy shower doused the track in the area of the pits and some of the corners, but other areas remained dry.

 

And with the sun shining as the race started, it was only a matter of time before drivers started to pit for dry tyres.

 

Hamilton and McLaren played it safe, leaving it as late as they could before coming in to change tyres.

 

Hamilton stopped a lap later than Massa on lap 11 - and two laps after Vettel and Alonso.

 

McLaren's decision was the right one in that it limited their risk, but it was not the best in terms of absolute pace.

 

Vettel and Alonso's early stops vaulted them up into second and third places behind Massa.

 

Hamilton, by contrast, was demoted from fourth to sixth behind Massa, Vettel, Alonso, Raikkonen and the Force India of Giancarlo Fisichella, who had changed to dry tyres as early as lap three.

 

McLaren were confident the required result was always within their grasp.

 

But that was reckoning without the unfolding drama ahead.

 

Hamilton did not pass Fisichella until lap 18, out-braking him in a brave move at the first corner on the still-slippery track.

 

That put Hamilton into the fifth place he needed, and he was promoted to fourth by the three-stop strategy chosen by Toro Rosso for Vettel in contrast to the two stops of the other leading teams.

 

Hamilton was only a couple of seconds ahead of Vettel by the time the Toro Rosso had made its stop and he had to up his pace to hold his rival off.

 

And a late shower increased the anxiety for Hamilton as he sought to close out the championship.

 

Hamilton stopped for wet tyres on lap 66 - a decision that could have cost him the title.

 

It dropped him to fifth place behind Glock, with Vettel right behind him.

 

Vettel pushed Hamilton hard and passed him with two laps to go, leading to the nail-biting finish.

 

Scot David Coulthard's final race ended at the first corner after he was knocked into a spin by Williams's Nico Rosberg, and was hit by the other Williams of Kazuki Nakajima.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7705230.stm