OBAMA BEING OBAMA

[ugadawg5]

http://boortz.com/nuze/200809/09102008.html#operatives

 

Not that some of you will care, but you do remember how Our Savior won his first election to the Illinois State Senate, don't you? He sent his campaign workers to the voter registrar's office and kept them there until they had managed to disqualify everyone running against him.

 

Now the word is that Obama has sent dozens – who knows how many operatives – to Alaska to work 24/7 on digging up some dirt on Sarah Palin.

 

Let me tell you what Obama would say if McCain sent someone to Chicago to dig up dirt on him. He would whine and cry about a "return to the old politics." Funny how that standard doesn't apply to him.

[RedGirl76]

As a Brit, it's not really any of my business, but it seems to me that there wouldn't be any complaints about Palin if she wasn't a women...

[ugadawg5]

As a Brit, it's not really any of my business

 

Oh, if only more of your countrymen would follow your lead....cough*ChrisMartin*cough.

[RedGirl76]

I know - it's like he thinks "As long as it's a democrat, it'll be okay"

 

I don't share his confidence...

[a_face_of_light]

As a half Brit half American I think we have a bigger idiot in office at the moment than anyone running in the US.

[RedGirl76]

I'm gutted about how Brown turned out

 

I hated Blair and really thought Brown would make a change

 

:(

[a_face_of_light]

Lets hope Cameron's an improvement, in honesty I think he will prove a lot better than Brown.

[Death Hill]

As a Brit, it's not really any of my business, but it seems to me that there wouldn't be any complaints about Palin if she wasn't a women...

 

I respect your opinion and all, and I do think there has been a BIT of complaining based on sex (the fact that she's a mother of five and just had a child and people are attacking her for that)...but really MOST of her opposers have attacked her on issues that have nothing to do with her sex:

 

*She clearly hasn't had that much experience (very little in foreign policy if at all)

*She's as far right wing as you get when it comes to nearly ALL the issues discussed thus far...

*She obviously has a few skeleton's in her (and her family's) closet [such as her husband being a part of a group that wants Alaska to part from the Union, her lying about the fact that she said she was never for the bridge to nowhere when indeed she was for quite some time]

 

All those are very big reasons why many people wouldn't like her...I'm extremely skeptical of her for all the reasons above as well.

[ugadawg5]

ok, but what about what Obama is doing. a bit of a double-standard really...politics of change? i think not...

[Matter-Eater Lad]

Republicans and democrats are mostly Socialist. Give us more money and power and we'll help you...and by you we mean a few CEO's and people in government.

 

Did we not learn a thing from Katrina? Our government democrat or republican is incapable of helping anyone.

[Matter-Eater Lad]

I respect your opinion and all, and I do think there has been a BIT of complaining based on sex (the fact that she's a mother of five and just had a child and people are attacking her for that)...but really MOST of her opposers have attacked her on issues that have nothing to do with her sex:

 

*She clearly hasn't had that much experience (very little in foreign policy if at all)

*She's as far right wing as you get when it comes to nearly ALL the issues discussed thus far...

*She obviously has a few skeleton's in her (and her family's) closet [such as her husband being a part of a group that wants Alaska to part from the Union, her lying about the fact that she said she was never for the bridge to nowhere when indeed she was for quite some time]

 

All those are very big reasons why many people wouldn't like her...I'm extremely skeptical of her for all the reasons above as well.

 

Hmmm the exact same things could be said about Obama and he's the front runner....Why would those hurt a VP and help a President?

 

It's funny how similar Obama and Palin are and the negatives about Palin are positives for Obama? Makes no sense, but I do not care because we need a 3rd party in power.

[felicote]

what about her not expressing a foreign policy opinion EVER!

how can a person like that be qualified to be president?

Obama has outlined plans, written articles, faced questions, given speeches and visited Iraq and Afghanistan.

One of the worst things about the Bush administration was their disregard for the constitution. And I sure as hell would love to have a UChicago Lecturer in Constitutional Law to be in the whitehouse protecting the constitution.

[Matter-Eater Lad]

what about her not expressing a foreign policy opinion EVER!

how can a person like that be qualified to be president?

Obama has outlined plans, written articles, faced questions, given speeches and visited Iraq and Afghanistan.

One of the worst things about the Bush administration was their disregard for the constitution. And I sure as hell would love to have a UChicago Lecturer in Constitutional Law to be in the whitehouse protecting the constitution.

 

That is what McCain is for, Palin is for change at home in Washington. But lets fact facts, it does not matter.

 

Yes Bush has been horrible on the constitution but lets not forget the majority of both parties back and voted for the laws that go against the constitution. Both parties care nothing about our Bill of Rights and Constitution. Thats why I say 3rd party, because Both Dems and Repubs vote against the constitution all the time.

 

So Obama and the dems in power won't change the fact that our leaders hate the constitution. Because they do, its clear every time they vote against it.

 

This is what I'm fighting for, to let people know Obama, Biden and the dems vote along the lines of Bush and other republicans most of the time when it comes to issue's like our personal freedoms. Know the democrats in office won't help us because they still vote to pass laws like the Patriot Act.

 

As far as Obama himself, I don't know if he voted for the Patriot Act or not. But I know he supports the majority of unconstitutional laws we have, and that is dangerous.

[felicote]

It becomes an issue when McCain is a 73 year old cancer survivor, which going by actuarial tables has at least a 13% probability of dying in his first term, and 30% before his secodn term ends.

 

could you please provide a source for your last claims of Obama supporting unconstitutional laws?

[A RUSH OF VIDA]

GO HILLARY!!!!!......

[Matter-Eater Lad]

It becomes an issue when McCain is a 73 year old cancer survivor, which going by actuarial tables has at least a 13% probability of dying in his first term, and 30% before his secodn term ends.

 

could you please provide a source for your last claims of Obama supporting unconstitutional laws?

 

-He voted for the Patriot Act,

-Voted for the FISA bill (one of the worst ever passed)

-Obama voted to "grant effective immunity to telecommunications companies that participated in a secret Bush Administration eavesdropping program."

 

"Obama said that he would continue the Bush spy programs if elected President. Obama said that he would “monitor” the spy programs himself - just like George W. Bush and Dick Cheney monitor them now."

 

http://progressivepatriots.com/2008/06/21/obama-goes-spy-master/

 

 

The Democratic congress as a whole has helped pass many unconstitutional bills. Will we listen to politicians or look at how they vote to decide if they're for the constitution? Because what most of them say and how they vote are two different things.

Democrats and Republicans keep voting agianst our civil liberties and the constitution, and we fall for both sides who claim they support them.:veryangry2:

 

 

 

To sum things up;

" I am disgusted with Barack Obama. All his talk about hope and change we can believe in turned out to be nothing more than false promises."

[Matter-Eater Lad]

Oh and not only did he vote FOR the FISA act, he first said he'd vote against it and stop it. His record is the same as Bush and other politicians, talk big about the Constitution but when it's time to vote, he votes against it.

 

Everyone's hope for change, agree's with Bush by voting for the unconstitutional laws Bush wanted to pass. Hate to say it, he's just a prettier, younger Bush.(lol and McCain's a older Bush)

 

Let's not get fooled by good looks and great speaking ability, I say in this election we let our intelligence and patriotism vote, and if we do, Obama and McCain are the wrong choice due to their hatred of our Constitution and civil liberties.

 

 

[chuck kottke]

It's the money behind the scenes that calls the shots. Now, looking at the backers, I'm not a member of the "have mores" that Bush and McCain suck up to, and neither are 99% of most Americans. Obama's doing what the money says, or he did what the party demands for loyalty to get anywhere in the Senate, you've gotta play their version of ball, or just get nowhere, sad to say. But I'll take someone who works for Unions any day over the Multi-o-nationals and the extreme religious nuts anyday. Yes, we do need third parties, and major changes in election finance, but between these two options, I would choose Obama any day over McCain. McCain is nothing but a rubber stamp for Bush and his war-headed failed policies, his hobbling of Federal Agencies needed for such trivial things as disaster relief, his taking the National Guard, (a direct violation of the Constitution), to Iraq, and thereby putting us all at risk when disaster strikes the US. McCain thinks we should stay on forever in Iraq, and most Iraqis from what I gather want US out! Who wants to be occupied?? And how can they sort things out when we control their government from afar?? McCain is for eternal occupation and a policy of war, which is not what's called for - we need to disengage from this mess we're in, and use diplomacy and multilateral actions to affect change, plus global economic improvement to dry up the well that fuels extremists.

And Palin is too young to be president if McCain is incapacitated in his first year - yet another violation of the US Constitution!

[Matter-Eater Lad]

Obama is Bush's 3rd term, like McCain is.

 

Do you not see, Obama votes along the lines of Bush AND McCain against our constitution over and over again.

 

I hate it when people go after Bush for his unconstituional policies while the democrats LIKE Obama do the EXACT same thing. Mcbama is a threat to our constitution.

 

Sames policies different face, that is all. You're telling me you're fulled by a pretty face and a nice speech? No wonder why the constitution is hated by politicians, our citizens are too stupid to back it.

 

 

McBama will continue the war in Iraq and keep a base their for the next 1,000 years.

 

Youngsters like you are fooled by a nice face and speech, older people are fooled by age and false conservatism. We're a nation of fools, fooled by the same party under 2 names. Look at their money and look at how they vote. No wonder why we're so fucked, Americans can't understand the constitution and our own government.

 

McBama says they're for the constitution but when they vote, they vote against it.

 

You're saying you want a anti constitutionist office? Because when you vote for OBama or McCain, you're voting for someone who repeatedly voted against our constitution. I don't know about you, but I LIKE the constitution and believe it should be upheld, but that gets in the way of McBama's in power.

[Matter-Eater Lad]

his hobbling of Federal Agencies needed for such trivial things as disaster relief, his taking the National Guard, (a direct violation of the Constitution)

 

SO its wrong for McCain to break the constitution but ok for Obama?

 

As long as he says he's for change, he can stomp all over our constitution, eh? I think your'e a left wing nutjob, you seem to think it's ok for one side to break the constitution but not for the other. While i'm over here going after BOTH sides who do the same thing. MY loyalty is to my nation and constitution not a party.

 

Lets put our nation's founding ideas and constitution first, not a man who breaks them. Because when you support McBama you're supporting the ignoring of our constitution and civil liberties. Why is one man more important then the law in our nation? I'm not just focusing on you, all the nutjobs for McCain are in the same boat, voting for a person over the constitution and civil liberties. We're fucked because people are ignorant.

[Death Hill]

Hmmm the exact same things could be said about Obama and he's the front runner....Why would those hurt a VP and help a President?

 

It's funny how similar Obama and Palin are and the negatives about Palin are positives for Obama? Makes no sense, but I do not care because we need a 3rd party in power.

 

The main point is we don't know much about Palin...period. She's a far right wing politician who wants creationism to be taught in schools, strongly supports the war in Iraq thinking it's a mission from God, she also wants abortion to be banned in all cases, how do you not get how that pisses a lot of people off? Obama doesn't have very much experience...FACT...but the American public can believe in him more than someone who more than often agrees with Bush and will be giving us the same thing for four years to come

 

And a little socialism wouldn't hurt, how do you think we got out of the Great Depression?

[Death Hill]

ok, but what about what Obama is doing. a bit of a double-standard really...politics of change? i think not...

 

What are you on about?

[Matter-Eater Lad]

The main point is we don't know much about Palin...period. She's a far right wing politician who wants creationism to be taught in schools, strongly supports the war in Iraq thinking it's a mission from God, she also wants abortion to be banned in all cases, how do you not get how that pisses a lot of people off? Obama doesn't have very much experience...FACT...but the American public can believe in him more than someone who more than often agrees with Bush and will be giving us the same thing for four years to come

 

And a little socialism wouldn't hurt, how do you think we got out of the Great Depression?

 

It does not take experience to be a lobbyist puppet.

To me Obama's and Palin's in experience are immaterial because it takes no real experience to be puppet in Washington.

 

American public can believe in Obama to carry on Bush's policies, like FISA and the Patriot Act.

 

The same major problems people have with Bush, Obama SUPPORTS.

 

The ignorance of people to be Pro policy for Obama and be against the SAME POLICY Bush has is stupid to say the least.

 

The fundamental illegal policies of BUSH, OBAMA supports

 

Socialism is not how we got out of the great depression. It in fact made it worse, it was Hitler's 3rd Reich that did that. The war brought us and Germany out of the great depression. ALL the years FDR tried his socialism, things kept getting worse, once we joined the war and won it, things got better because we created jobs and a need for material all over the world. After the war, it was the military and us supplying Europe that kept us out of another depression. If not for the massive military build up for ww2 and the supplying half of the world with products and weapons after the war, we would have been in the great depression long after FDR's policies failed. Sadly we can thank Japan and the Axis for getting us out of the depression but at the cost of almost 500,000 American lives and millions of civilians in the world.

 

Socialism of FDR, if you can even call it that, did nothing but make a problem worse, it took the world's worst war to fix our economy. sadly.

[a_face_of_light]

I still think the post I made a while ago on the election was right:P

[chuck kottke]

Well, have you seen the list of books Sarah Palin wanted banned by the public librarian in Wassila, Alaska?? Dangerous works like Little Red Riding Hood, and Brave New World by Aldous Huxley. How far her religious indoctrination has gone into this 'cult' I'm not sure of, but that's not such a good sign. If this is the case, she might just as well be wearing a bonnet & heavy wool frock, and sporting the tight-fitting shoes of a Puritan in 1631! Book burning was their trip; today, it's book banning. So much for Freedom of The Press!

The whole problem with the cause of the Great Depression, let us not forget, was poor regulation by the US Government over investments and the markets. Without regulation, wild speculation and poor investments created enormous instability, and panics led to disaster. The result - those who had banked on stock for retirement lost almost everything instantly when the market crash occurred. Hence, Social Security was a blessing, born of the understanding that there needed to be some secure retirement safety net for Americans, where stocks might go up or down, at least the safety net would be there if all else failed. Social contracts to provide work, basic needs, and secure retirements helped alleviate the suffering of the Great Depression, and what got us out of the depression was a rebuilding of confidence in investments and businesses, backed by better market regulation, and an economic stimulus, in the form of the war economy. Now, we do not need wars to keep the economy strong, but there must be occasional stimuluses if there is capacity in the economy, and people need work. Whether it was the war or not, there was an impetus for production, and the government was the buyer, putting many people to work. But better to find more useful ways to produce things that better our lives, than building an even larger military sector - having too much emphasis on the military leads to the easy temptation of always seeking a military solution, which is often a poor path to take.