And the freedom's Obama bans under the Patriot Act and FISA bill are nothing, but you're worried about one book....

 

McBama, wants to take away our rights to habeas corpus but let's all fight for Little red riding hood!

 

Our constitution is under attack, but lets focus on child books. No wonder why were so screwed.

Your post has proved what i've been saying all along, thank you.

Oh and while they play each side against one another, we all lose. The Obama crowd, looks away at the horrible things Obama does and focuses on McCain's horrible deeds, and while this is going on, McCain's crowd is focused on all the bad things Obama does while they ignore the evil deeds of McCain, so matter who wins we get a side in power who is allowed to destroy our civil liberties and constitution because everyone's divided and focusing on half the enemy, not realizing their side is just as bad.

 

It's quite brilliant, were distracted by the enemy being divided up into to camps, so we all just focus on half the problem, so no matter what happens the end result is the same and the corrupt few get their way. Brings new meaning to "Divide and conquer". Because that is what's happening.

^So will you not be voting this November then? Seeing as you support neither party.

Bob Barr. I'm not a huge fan but at least he supports our laws and is not bought like McBama. I will not vote for any candidate who votes constantly against the constitution and our civil liberties. I like my freedoms and rights, apparently most don't.

Book-s

 

And the freedom's Obama bans under the Patriot Act and FISA bill are nothing, but you're worried about one book....

I selected two from a list of 100 or more books she wanted banned. Most were commonly acceptable novels, with little to no naughty parts.:P What I'm saying is that if this is any indication of her indoctrination, then I'd rather not have here so close to becoming President! And of course there's a problem if Obama supported reducing further our freedoms under the Patriot act and FISA act - none of this is a good thing. But the process is the problem - I feel strongly that the 9th amendment is being violated; we have an inherent right to fair elections, including available public air time for all candidates who have a legitimate base of public support, on an equal basis. The Right to Fair Elections takes precedent over the Supreme Courts so-called "Money is Free Speech" argument, because without fair elections, there can be no protection of the other rights. Given a level playing field and a functional referee, the outcome of the contests would be better, and representation of our will expressed.

 

McBama, wants to take away our rights to habeas corpus but let's all fight for Little red riding hood!

Clearly Book Banning is symptomatic of a desire to curtail our rights to a free press in a direct and serious way; once again, the books on the list were numerous - but as an example I chose Little Red Riding Hood - that's how trivial she was willing to be - all the way down to the most common and acceptable children's books.

And Bush already damaged the Writ of Habeas Corpus with Guantanamo and other instillations where prisoners were tortured. One thing McCain did do is go against Bush's insistence (actually Rumsfeld's insistence) on torture, for obvious reasons...

Our constitution is under attack, but lets focus on child books. No wonder why were so screwed.

Yes, our Constitution is under attack; third parties can make a difference; but by saying both parties, and both candidates, are the same is a gross oversimplification. Saving our Constitution will require a massive grass-roots movement to reform the elections process, and perhaps write a well-worded amendment guaranteeing our Right to Fair Elections, seeing as that seems to be at the heart of the matter as well...

 

Both parties as a whole support all the attacks on the constitution. They differ some issue's, but when it comes to issues on the constitution and our civil liberties they both agree.

 

But to point a finger at Bush for the same things Obama does is well, foolish or evil. You let the democrats slide on the same offenses.

 

We focus on Bush, and give a ok for the Dems to pass the same laws as Bush does? foolish or evil, or maybe both.

It does not take experience to be a lobbyist puppet.

To me Obama's and Palin's in experience are immaterial because it takes no real experience to be puppet in Washington.

 

American public can believe in Obama to carry on Bush's policies, like FISA and the Patriot Act.

 

The same major problems people have with Bush, Obama SUPPORTS.

 

The ignorance of people to be Pro policy for Obama and be against the SAME POLICY Bush has is stupid to say the least.

 

The fundamental illegal policies of BUSH, OBAMA supports

 

Socialism is not how we got out of the great depression. It in fact made it worse, it was Hitler's 3rd Reich that did that. The war brought us and Germany out of the great depression. ALL the years FDR tried his socialism, things kept getting worse, once we joined the war and won it, things got better because we created jobs and a need for material all over the world. After the war, it was the military and us supplying Europe that kept us out of another depression. If not for the massive military build up for ww2 and the supplying half of the world with products and weapons after the war, we would have been in the great depression long after FDR's policies failed. Sadly we can thank Japan and the Axis for getting us out of the depression but at the cost of almost 500,000 American lives and millions of civilians in the world.

 

Socialism of FDR, if you can even call it that, did nothing but make a problem worse, it took the world's worst war to fix our economy. sadly.

 

The PATRIOT Act is the least of our problems now, come on.

 

And no, the influence of socialism did NOT bring us out of the Depression, it certainly helped though. But, to be honest our country could use a bit more of socialism when it comes to health care, poverty etc. but that of course is my opinion

Our government can't even help us from a disaster like Katrina after we knew it was coming. Saying we need more government is like telling a cancer patient they need more cancer.

 

More government even as socialism means, a few people get rich and most people get nothing. More government means, we'll have more problems with corruption. The government can't even afford to pay its own bills, how can we expect them to take care of us? A government that can barely do anything is not what we need more of. I wan't people to be helped, end poverty and such but the government is in capable of doing this, and while trying a few corrupt officials will get rich and there friends will get rich.

Watch you language, buster! I am not evil, and I have not let Obama slide on those issues; But Obama did not vote for the illegal and Unconstitutional war, and he did not expand the President's powerful and unconstitutional executive signing statement authority by a factor of 10 like Bush has. Yes, he's flawed - Obama was a proponent of Campaign Finance Reform and has since said nary a peep about it, but the game has lost both referee and controls, so to compete in politics today, unfortunately both candidates have had to lower themselves from higher moral ground. So the remedy is expanding the movement to reform the elections process in the US, and stop the buying of candidates by the highest bidders.

There will always be corrupt individuals in politics it's a given. Our president is happy to reduce rich people's taxes, but can't create programs to help people who need their taxes lowered and need to get new job opportunities. But really, I can't expect anything more at this point...Republicans in GENERAL cannot run these programs so why do we expect them to? This is why John McCain's new 'change' motto is so laughable. Keep in mind Obama is FAR from my top Dem choice (Clinton was my first choice), and really, McCain is far from my top Republican choice as well...but really we can't afford having McCain/Palin take office.

You forget Obama's no better then Congress he has to deal with, and most democrats and republican in congress voted for the unconstitutional war. But lets only focus on the Republicans voting for the war and ignore the democrats who helped make it possible. Again you only focus on the wrongdoing of one side, while the other is just as guilty.

 

Obama supported most the Bill's that gave Bush his unconstitutional power. Examples like the Patriot Act and FISA. Bush would have not accomplished ANY of these without the Democrats and Republicans in Congress. You give one side a free pass, while you point the finger at the other while both are just as guilty. The things you complain about Republicans doing, most democrats are just as guilty.

 

If you stop the buying of candidates, then Obama would never be running.

There will always be corrupt individuals in politics it's a given. Our president is happy to reduce rich people's taxes, but can't create programs to help people who need their taxes lowered and need to get new job opportunities. But really, I can't expect anything more at this point...Republicans in GENERAL cannot run these programs so why do we expect them to? This is why John McCain's new 'change' motto is so laughable. Keep in mind Obama is FAR from my top Dem choice (Clinton was my first choice), and really, McCain is far from my top Republican choice as well...but really we can't afford having McCain/Palin take office.

 

Bush has reduced taxes to many lower class people as well. But you'll find i'm one of bush's biggest enemies. He's a horrible leader, but the policies you blame him for are mostly approved with help from the Democrats.

 

Democrats support big business and oil, how can you expect them to work for the common socialist idea's when they're loyalty is to the rich too?

 

Democrats fool voters with idea's of socialism, while Republicans fool their voters with dreams of conservatism. Neither party wants what they offer because it would not make them rich or their friends in corporations rich.

 

A democrat working with a major corporation will not use money of the government to help the poor when that same money could go to "acme electronics" where his good friend and lobbyist works. Both sides lose power and money from the promises they make if they keep them.\

 

 

Need I remind you the people paying for Obama's seat in the whitehouse are rich and corporations, not the average american. THUS when elected he will be loyal to them not the average suffering American.

As I recall the tenor of the times were different than what we know today. Lies were being spread to sell the war, and I'm not sure what the Democrats in Congress knew, and when they knew it, when many of them voted for the measure. So, to call them largely culpable for voting for the war authorization is to forget the misinformation being spread by the administration about facts leading up to the war, and lest we forget that this administration was using the fear of terror attacks not long after those on September 11th to goad those who were uncertain into falling in line. "You're either with us, or you're with the enemy" was what I was hearing from Bush, and just like during McCarthy's times, so too many buckle under the pressures to conform.

Obama did clarify what he voted for when he voted for the FISA act reauthorization, but my memory escapes me on that matter. But he had nothing to do with the power grab by Bush to crown himself King / Emperor. Executive signing statements were expended by the Executive branch, not by Congress, as I recall.

Ok semi good point about the war, but even though they were lied to that does not excuse them voting against the constitution. But as far as the other Unconstitutional Bill's, there is no excuse for the Democrats and Republicans to vote for them. In the end you have two sides and the majority of them voted many times to pass unconstitutional bills.

 

I foolishly hoped the Democrats in Congress would stop the passing of Unconstitutional Bills, but that is not the case. They want things like FISA and the Patriot Act just as much as Bush does. So what does it matter if it's a democrat or republican doing the same horrible thing?

 

Obama's voting record show's he wants the crown just as much as Bush does. It's only going to get worse because no one stopped the party here, more and more bills like FISA and the Patriot Act will follow endorsed by McBama and Congress no matter who controls it.

Once you give the government and inch they take a mile, and when it's dealing with our personal freedoms and constitution, we'll have hell to pay. So long free speech and privacy, here comes the democrats and republicans together dismantling our constitution and rights!

Bush has reduced taxes to many lower class people as well. But you'll find i'm one of bush's biggest enemies. He's a horrible leader, but the policies you blame him for are mostly approved with help from the Democrats.

 

Democrats support big business and oil, how can you expect them to work for the common socialist idea's when they're loyalty is to the rich too?

The money trail / oil slick points mainly to the Republicans when it comes to big oil. There are different levels of contributions from different sectors of the economy for each, so the Democrats hold a different set of loyalties. Not the best either, but not the same. See Project Vote Smart for more info. on where the money is headed..

 

Democrats fool voters with idea's of socialism, while Republicans fool their voters with dreams of conservatism. Neither party wants what they offer because it would not make them rich or their friends in corporations rich.

Yes, to some extent I can agree with you on this point. It's a bit of a sham on both sides; but Unions representing larger numbers of average Americans make up a big part of the Democrat's contributors; with the Republicans, there are fewer, but wealthier individual contributors, from what I see. Still wayy too much big money buying influence in both, and that needs to change - there should be a cap, so the elected leaders work for a broad base of citizens, not preferentially to the top contributors.

 

A democrat working with a major corporation will not use money of the government to help the poor when that same money could go to "acme electronics" where his good friend and lobbyist works. Both sides lose power and money from the promises they make if they keep them.\

Yes, there is a problem with this, I agree. But, a Democrat who gets elected is more likely to help out Union goals to strengthen Union worker's wages, safety, & benefits, and from what I've seen, the Democrats do work to increase the minimum wage, but not enough. Republicans by and large fight minimum wage increases once they're in office. Both parties passed NAFTA, which was hurtful to workers in the US, as well as harmful to other nations affected by lowering standards for safety and health, and encouraging a race to the bottom for global working wages.

 

Need I remind you the people paying for Obama's seat in the whitehouse are rich and corporations, not the average american. THUS when elected he will be loyal to them not the average suffering American.

& Obama has them and a very large number of small contributions raised mostly from the internet. Hopefully the citizens will prevail, but there's the problem. With McCain's million dollar Buffet's I doubt the average American even stands a chance of getting in the door.

But both candidates are mostly funded and supported by the ultra rich and big companies. Both are guilty of this. Both will be loyal to them once elected. One thing I lived about Ron Paul was he was pretty much completely funded by the people, unlike McBama.

 

So in the end Obama is the rich corporate candidate like McCain.

Obama and McCain both suck!!!........Hillary would have been a far better president!!!

 

 

GO HILLARY!!!!!!

Everyone screams about Palin being far to the right.

 

What about Obama. He is just as far to the LEFT as Palin is to the RIGHT.

 

Obama is not acceptable either.

Exactly people make it seem like Obama has no flaws!!....When he does!!....Obama is Bullshit just like McCain!!

Obama and McCain both suck!!!........Hillary would have been a far better president!!!

 

 

GO HILLARY!!!!!!

 

She's in the same boat as McBama.

She's in the same boat as McBama.

 

:laugh3:...McBama makes me laugh soo hard!!....and ya but i still think she would have been a better president.

OOPS! Looks like I, and a lot of others, got spoofed on the net.. Correction - Sarah Palin apparently did not try to ban those books I had mentioned; but she did approach the librarian in Wasilla, Alaska, and did ask to have some books removed if the need arose.. Which books, nobody knows just yet..:inquisitive:

check out http://www.snopes.com/politics/palin/bannedbooks.asp

 

Mrcool, i do not dissagree with what youa re saying about campaign financing. Absolutely true, in the end, both candidates will do what they can to help the big guys who got them elected. However, to say that the Democrats support the destruction of the constitution because of their voting for the Iraq war is flawed at best. If they had been told, "we are going to claim that they had a hand in 9/11 and they definitely have WMD's, but since that isnt true at all and we KNOW its not true, we are going to say we want to free the people of tyranny" and then they voted on the issue, then okay i could agree that everyone had an equal hand in allowing that to happen.

 

However when you are suckered in with false intelligence (ahmed chalabi) and told that the reasons for going to war were "this" and they ended up being "that", no way am i going to hold them AS responsible as the liars who thought it up.

 

Also, if they are both big business candidates, then really the only things the American people have to fight over are idealistic issues. Such as religion in the white house, abortion, etc. Those are the things that most people are going to care about and that is where the candidates truly differ. I look at one side who wants to force their religious views upon my family and i, I look at one side who wants to tell my family and i that, though her daughter had a choice in deciding whether or not to keep her child, my family will not have that same choice because the governing individuals believe it to be wrong. I look at one side who still supports things like the Iraq war and current foreign policy, full yknowing their flaws, and which are obviously not viewed favorably by the American people. I will never vote for a ticket with Mccain, who sold his soul for this election (used to be a pretty decent guy, standing up for whwat he believed in) and a rediculously hardcore right winger like Palin.

 

Another issue is how quickly Americans forget...28% approval rating for Bush, and then Palin, who looks to be Bush's twin sister, comes along and envigorates the Mccain campaign and wins over all these women voters!? Its REDICULOUS, have you even been living here the last 8 years i ask???(to these poeple) Bush took over the economy which was soaring higher than ever before and has left it in absolute and utter shambles. The average American is far worse off now than before, average wage is down, unemployment is up, people think that drilling in Alaska is going to have a significant effect on gas prices, etc. Personally i think that if you voted for Bush the first term and then voted against him second term, okay honest mistake, but if you are one of the folks responsible for putting him in the White house for a second term after seeing how the first went, you should get passed up for your vote this year. "Im sorry, but you have proven yourself incapable of rational thought and have therefore forfeited your right to vote for President of the United States."

 

Of course i dont actually believe that, but it is people like that, that make me recant my statements about the Electoral College. Previously i had stated that the average American was smart enough to make an educated decision regarding the office of Commander in Chief, however, following the last eight years i have rethought that, and 100% support the Electoral College.