Fixed Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7736794.stm Did anyone have a look before it was taken offline? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc_squared Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 Radio DJ fired after BNP teachers, police and lawyers are exposed in membership list leak By Michael Lea and Nicola Boden Last updated at 3:24 PM on 19th November 2008 Comments (199) Add to My Stories Radio DJ sacked by TalkSport after name was on list Policeman also named is put under investigation Members 'receive threatening calls after publication'BNP leader alleges calls are 'dirty tricks' by Labour Sacked: DJ Rod Lucas will not be used by TalkSport again after he was exposed as BNP member A radio DJ and a police officer were the first alleged members of the BNP to face action from their employers today after the entire membership list of the party was posted on the internet. DJ Rod Lucas was axed by TalkSport and a policeman in Merseyside was being investigated after they were 'outed' as having signed up to the far-Right organisation. Soldiers, teachers and doctors also on the list were today fearing their jobs could be in similar jeopardy after the leak which breached a High Court injunction. The BNP accused disgruntled former officials who were chucked out of the party last year of being responsible and warned anyone involved that they were facing a prison sentence. Party leader Nick Griffin said: 'It was entirely wrongly used without authority by a very small group of previous party members who were expelled late last year who then passed it on, to who we simply don't know. 'All we can say is that if we find out who it was and they are one of those covered by the High Court injunction, then they are going to prison.' More than 10,000 people were on the list, including a vicar, an actor, leading businessmen and former civil servants. Many children were also named. Today, TalkSport radio said it would 'no longer use' DJ Lucas, a Sony Award winner who once worked for Radio One, who had covered late-night shifts for the station. His name had been published along with his address and contact numbers. His profession was given as 'media: radio/tv production'. Furious: BNP leader Nick Griffin (far right) with protesters in Burnley today A spokesman said: 'Rod Lucas has on occasion worked as a fill-in presenter on TalkSport. We were aware that he has worked for BBC Radio Kent and LBC. 'We were not aware of his membership of the BNP until today. We have no plans to use Rod Lucas in the immediate future.' Meanwhile, Merseyside Police launched a probe after one of their male officers was named on the list. Since 2004, officers have faced dismissal for being a member of the BNP because of the risk it could damage race relations. Hundreds of members had received threatening calls in the last 24 hours since the list was leaked, leader Mr Griffin claimed. 'We're sure that this is a left-wing trick by the unions and the Labour Party. The number of calls, the sheer volume of it can't come from an isolated number of people,' he said. Despite his members' fears, he also said publication of their names could ultimately prove 'fantastic' for the party as he appeared with supporters in Burnley today. 'We couldn't have bought the publicity... It's going to show people that we're not a bunch of skinhead morons, which is the left-wing media-created image,' he said. 'It shows we're far broader than that, a snapshot of decent British society. It will significantly increase our votes next year.' BNP spokesman Simon Darby had warned earlier: 'If we find out who published this list, it will turn out to be one of the most foolish things they have done in their life. I wouldn't want to have done that - I wouldn't be sleeping very well tonight.' 'Spiteful': The list on the internet. BNP officials claim it was released by disgruntled ex-employees and warned them they could face jail The list includes people's names, addresses and ages as well as other 'relevant' information. Children are also on it because the party has family membership deals. Many entries are accompanied by the warning to administrators: 'discretion required, employment concerns'. Keiron Le-mar, a former soldier who now works for an energy company - was aghast that even his service number had now been released. 'I'm obviously disappointed... I'm worried about that because in my job I go round people's houses. I'm involved in all sorts of walks of life. I don't know how they would look on that. It could make the company look bad,' he told the Times. 'I joined the BNP because I feel they are the people who stand up for Britain as a country. I'm not for the racist views. To be honest, all I've ever got was letters asking for money.' Internet chat sites have been flooded with fearful messages since the list emerged. One online comment read: 'I'm on the list, I could be chucked out of the Army. What is going on?' Another added: 'This is a disaster for the BNP, both on a PR front and a security level. Heads should roll and I'm afraid that the buck has to stop with the chairman.' Named on the net: Every single BNP member has been named after the far-right party's membership was posted online The membership list was password protected and encrypted. Publication was forbidden under a High Court injunction obtained in April. Mr Darby insisted it was leaked in a 'malevolent and spiteful' move to try to destabilise the party: 'It is part of a dirty tricks campaign and a desperate move by our political opponents,' he said. He claimed the list contained the names of people who had never been members of the party as well as those of current and former members. The person who leaked the material could be prosecuted and fined but the chances of members' successfully suing them or the party over the breach are slim. It was discovered after people started receiving unsolicited mail and contacted the BNP. The party claims it has more than 100 local and parish councillors, the latest of whom was elected in Boston, Lincolnshire, last week. Race tensions are high in the town as migrants make up a quarter of the population. It plans to make a major push to win seats in the elections to the European Parliament next June. In 2006, it was revealed that Covent Garden ballerina Simone Clarke was a member of the BNP after the party was infiltrated by an undercover journalist. It was claimed that activists are encouraged to use false names while on party business and instructs them in the use of software to encrypt emails. Many of its members, however, are far from the stereotype of the British far-Right. According to reports at the time, one is the American chief executive of a City investment corporation, while another is a servant of the Queen, living at Buckingham Palace. Labour MPs Margaret Hodge and Jon Cruddas have repeatedly warned of the march of the BNP in East London. Member: Top ballerina Simone Clarke The list shows the BNP has attracted support from all corners of the country and across the social spectrum. Members include teachers, librarians, solicitors, nurses and linguists. They list hobbies including landscape painting, hunting, gardening and church singing. There is no ban on teachers, doctors and nurses joining the party although it is not deemed compatible with frontline service. And living in Britain isn't a requirement of being a member of the British National Party. One lives in San Diego in the US and another in France. An activist from Stockport in Cheshire is listed as a company director and another from Rubery in Birmingham works as a private investigator. Other members include an ex-GMB shop steward from Hornchurch in Essex. A retired solicitor from Wanstead in London is happy to proofread and edit leaflets and posters. Another member from Nympsfield in Gloucestershire has a BA in languages and a masters degree in translation. A businesswoman from North London speaks French and Italian. A district nurse from Bideford in Devon is listed as enjoying 'walking, knitting and helping people in need'. At least one serving police officer is on the membership list, along with several retired officers. It also includes16 servicemen, including a Royal Marines Commando. Among the 68 members listed as former servicemen are one Chelsea Pensioner, three Paras, three Guards and two Royal Marines. Other members are identified as practising pagans and one male member is listed as 'witch'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mimixxx Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7736794.stm Did anyone have a look before it was taken offline? I did. There's a member living just a few doors down from me. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixed Posted November 19, 2008 Author Share Posted November 19, 2008 Eek really? No Christmas card for them this year then! I had a look too. I had a feeling it would get taken offline so I was going to copy/paste them all to Word for future reference but I decided I couldn't really be bothered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mimixxx Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 Yep, I was just having a quick look, and laughed when I saw my town and then I saw my street. Doesn't really bother me, well certainly not to any real extent. Obviously I disagree with everything the BNP stand for, but he's still the same person he was before I knew. I would refuse an invitation to go in for coffee :P but I'd probably say a polite hello if I passed him in the street. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixed Posted November 19, 2008 Author Share Posted November 19, 2008 I don't think I'd even say "Hi" to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thompson Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 They've received threats? good. Racist Bastards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixed Posted November 19, 2008 Author Share Posted November 19, 2008 'This is a disaster for the BNP, both on a PR front and a security level' When have they ever had GOOD PR?! I don't think the addresses, email addresses and phone numbers should have been posted. There were children on the list after all. I do, however, think that the public have a right to know exactly who is a member. Maybe the names alone would have been enough? Although I suppose just posting names could cause a few problems - false accusations etc. I don't know. I just can't believe a party like this actually exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thompson Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 I don't think the addresses, email addresses and phone numbers should have been posted. There were children on the list after all. I do, however, think that the public have a right to know exactly who is a member. Maybe the names alone would have been enough? Yeah I agree with that, I mean the sex offenders list contains all the same information (address, phone numbers etc) but after all, as much as I hate them, being in the BNP isn't actually a crime, so this is just blatant breach of data protection. Shit happens though, just like they lost that disk with everyones national insurance number on and that! Shambles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc_squared Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 Yep, I was just having a quick look, and laughed when I saw my town and then I saw my street. Doesn't really bother me, well certainly not to any real extent. Obviously I disagree with everything the BNP stand for, but he's still the same person he was before I knew. I would refuse an invitation to go in for coffee :P but I'd probably say a polite hello if I passed him in the street. Hadn't you ever wondered why he was always goose-stepping along the road in jack-boots whenever you saw him??:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christa42 Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 can someone explain the idiots version of this in 25 words or less.? the uneducated american would like to know whats going on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saffire Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 can someone explain the idiots version of this in 25 words or less.? the uneducated american would like to know whats going on They're a political party that's against non-white immigration into Britain. You know your political party sucks when it's embarrassing to be caught on their roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christa42 Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 Thank you very much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Rose Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 Justice at last for those racists :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiminy Cricket Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 Fucking scumbags. That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenjie Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 To link or not to link? Zaffar from London left a comment after reading the Times Online report on the leaking of the BNP membership list. He wrote: 'this is a joke read this article typed in google got the list in seconds". You can quibble with his punctuation, but not with his logic. Anyone could Google the phrase "BNP members" and get the list too, although the original weblog on which it was posted has been taken down. But The Times decided not to link to the list, even though we often do link to material without taking that as some kind of endorsement. There were various reasons for the decision, most of them expressed in other comments on our various online reports. Firstly, BNP members have as much right to privacy as anyone else. Secondly, last time we checked it was still a free country: there is no law against membership of the BNP. It is also a particularly emotive subject. One reader bragged of having spent his evening making prank phones calls to those on the list. A couple of others said that they had found friends or neighbours on it - and had already taken the offenders off their own Chrismas card lists. Both on Times Online and and on various blogs, BNP members expressed their concern at the leaking of the list. They are not necessarily police officers - a job from which BNP members are explicitly banned. One, for example, runs a computer shop and is frightened that he will be put out of business. The list is out there now, even if a Google search no longer throws it up. The anti-fascist campaigners and phone-prankers are having a field day. We don't need to help them. Posted by Times Online Newsdesk on November 19, 2008 at 11:05 AM http://timesnews.typepad.com/news/2008/11/to-link-or-not.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenjie Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 Police forces told to root out BNP members after list leaked on internet Police chiefs said tonight that they expect every force in the country to be scouring a leaked list of alleged BNP members that looks certain to cost at least one Merseyside officer his job. Problems for the far-right party continued today after Rod Lucas, a radio DJ, and a policeman became the first victims of the breach of privacy that saw the names of thousands of BNP members published on the internet. Officers in Liverpool referred the case to the Independent Police Complaints Commission when they discovered the name of one of their officers on the membership list. This afternoon the IPCC said it had no need to intervene and suggested that Merseyside Police act firmly. “The national policies are clear that membership of the BNP is incompatible with the requirements of the role of a police officer and I know Merseyside Police will act robustly if necessary,” said Naseem Malik, IPCC Commissioner for the North West. Decisive action is expected to be replicated across the country as individual forces face questions on the political affiliations of their officers. The Association of Chief Police Officers has banned officers from joining the BNP and a spokesman said it was “highly likely” that forces all over the country would be scanning the list. Police are banned from becoming members of the BNP because it would damage race relations. TalkSport radio said today that it had "no plans to use" Mr Lucas, a chat show presenter who covered late-night shifts for the station this year, after he was listed among more than 12,000 BNP supporters. The presenter responded this afternoon by claiming that he had joined the party as an undercover journalist. “I am an investigative radio journalist and am a member of over 20 political parties and pressure groups,” he said. “I do this for research, in order to come up with material from my show. In 2004 I did a series of shows on Fusion Radio in which I delved into the BNP. “I have often mentioned on air my work on the BNP - it is certainly no dirty secret.” His name and contact details were included alongside his profession: "media: radio/TV production". Mr Lucas, a Sony Award winner who once worked for Radio One, had eulogised on his website how much he had enjoyed working for his "favourite" radio station, but this morning TalkSport bosses were swift to distance themselves from him. A spokesman said: “We were not aware of his membership of the BNP until today. We have no plans to use Rod Lucas in the immediate future.” The membership list was today removed from the original blog where it was published but remains available on other websites. Nick Griffin, the BNP leader, said that the party would take court action against those responsible for the leak. Earlier this year the BNP said it had obtained an injunction at the High Court in Manchester, banning any publication of the list. Mr Griffin said: “It was entirely wrongly used without authority by a very small group of previous party members who were expelled late last year who then passed it on, to who we simply don’t know. “All we can say is that if we find out who it was and they are one of those covered by the High Court injunction, then they are going to prison.” Mr Griffin was forced to deny that BNP spokesman Simon Darby had intended to threaten violence when he told The Times last night that if the culprit was found, "it will turn out to be one of the most foolish things they have done in their life", and that "I wouldn't be sleeping very well tonight". He said: "There is no threat of violence as is being reported." The BNP said in a statement on its website that it had lodged a complaint with Dyfed-Powys Police on the grounds that the "disgraceful act of treachery" breached human rights and data protection laws. Prison officers, like the police, are forbidden from joining the BNP but the leaked list appeared to include several prison staff. A Prison Service spokesman, however, refused to confirm whether they were investigating the individuals included on the list. Most other public sector professions including teachers, healthcare professionals and armed servicemen are not governed by similar bans but many workers now face questioning from colleagues and bosses over whether belonging to a party associated with racist views is compatible with the caring ethos and emphasis on equality in their work. The Ministry of Defence says that serving members of the Armed Forces who belong to the BNP are breaking no rules. At least two dozen people serving in the Armed Forces are members of the BNP, according to the leaked list, with well over a hundred people listed as ex-servicemen. "Individuals are free to join political parties but they are expected to abide by our values and standards in all they do," an MoD spokesman said. There is known to be unease within the MoD about some BNP policies, which are believed to be incompatible with military values, but it has no plans to follow the police in establishing a formal ban. One former soldier named on the list told The Times today that there were "a lot of serving BNP members in the British Army". Keiron Le-Mar, who served in Iraq with the Somerset & Cornwall Light Infantry, explained: "It's a party that thinks that England should be put first and when you join the British Army you're obviously a pretty patriotic person." Mr Le-Mar said that he was open about his BNP membership for two years while in the Army, before leaving twelve months ago. None of his colleagues expressed any hostility towards his political allegiance, he said. He said that he had not encountered any soldiers from ethnic minorities while in the Army but would have had no problem serving alongside them. Other servicemen contacted refused to speak. One had set up his mobile phone voicemail to explain that he was not answering his mobile phone "probably because I don't want to speak to any choppers like yourself". Several BNP members give their addresses as Army barracks or RAF bases. There is no rule against this, and the MoD confirmed that there is nothing to stop servicemen or women receiving BNP literature through the post on base. They would be banned from distributing leaflets on service property, however. Many people posting on the British Army's unofficial online forum appeared supportive of their BNP colleagues, before moderators deleted the entire thread, leading to accusations that the "thought police" were at work. That thread was also deleted. The Department of Health has a similar policy in place with no action to be taken unless a member of staff's views affected their work or they were found to be abusing their position to recruit for the BNP. Dee Lockhart, 44, a BNP member and a medical secretary from Cumbria, said that in six years working for the NHS she never encountered any problems when discussing her political beliefs. “It’s my feeling that you’re supposed to have political freedom,” she told The Times today, explaining that she had retired from work last year after a road traffic accident. The wife of one doctor on the list said that since his name had been published on the leaked list his life had become a misery. “My husband has been hounded and he’s not even a member of the party,” she said. “This is really hurting him. If there are any employment repercussions we will be seeing a solicitor.” Another care professional told The Times he was outraged that his name had been published. He claimed that he had done excellent work with young offenders in three years as a youth worker and said he did not feel his political views affected his work. “I’ve worked well with children from all walks of life and this will definitely affect my chances of getting future jobs. It’s sickening,” he said. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article5192136.ece?token=null&offset=24&page=3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petit Prince Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 'This is a disaster for the BNP, both on a PR front and a security level' When have they ever had GOOD PR?! I don't think the addresses, email addresses and phone numbers should have been posted. There were children on the list after all. I do, however, think that the public have a right to know exactly who is a member. Maybe the names alone would have been enough? Although I suppose just posting names could cause a few problems - false accusations etc. I don't know. I just can't believe a party like this actually exists. You should have posted the actual article. I'm curious now.:P Not that surprised in any way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixed Posted November 20, 2008 Author Share Posted November 20, 2008 How can the BNP actually be legal - aren't there guidelines in the "How to start a political party" handbook such as you are not allowed to be racist loonatics? Is there any way to campaign against them and get them disbanded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixed Posted November 20, 2008 Author Share Posted November 20, 2008 Google sent me here... http://www.uaf.org.uk/aboutUAF.asp?choice=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenjie Posted November 22, 2008 Share Posted November 22, 2008 'Firebomb attack' near home of former BNP man POLICE are investigating a suspected arson attack on a car parked near the home of a former British National Party member in West Yorkshire. The man's name, address and contact details appeared on a leaked list of alleged BNP supporters published on the internet. Firefighters and police were called to the blaze in Eighth Avenue, in Windy Bank, Liversedge, at 10.40pm on Thursday. Neighbours said the car exploded in a ball of flames and black smoke, sending parts of it flying across the street. The cause of the blast is being investigated. The targeted car was parked outside a house next door to the man whose name was published on the list but who left the BNP last year. Yesterday the man said he did not think he was the intended target. "I can't see it being linked to us," he said. "The car that was set on fire was outside a neighbour's house, while my car was outside my house. "There are numbers on the doors, which people can clearly see, so I don't think this has anything to do with us. "I'm not even an active member of the party any more; I did join up in a spur-of-the-moment type of thing, but my membership ran out a few months ago and I haven't renewed it." Although he believes he was not the arsonists' target, the former BNP member revealed that he had received a threatening telephone message since the list was leaked. "I've had a threatening phone call, which the police are investigating, but it seems as though as a number of people on the list have received similar calls." The BNP's organiser for Kirklees, David Exley, said: "I spoke to the police this morning and they confirmed that a car has been firebombed last night and one of the lines of inquiry is the person who lives next door to whose car it was is on the list on the internet." Mr Exley said the man was not a current supporter of the BNP. The only BNP councillor on Kirklees Council, Roger Roberts, who lives a couple of miles from where the incident happened, said he believed the fire was not connected to the publication of the list. Mr Roberts, who represents Heckmondwike, said: "That kind of thing is a regular occurrence on that estate. It could be drug dealers or anybody." Neighbours spoke about the moment they heard the explosion outside their homes. One woman, who did not want to be named, said: "There was nothing left of the car. The roof was blown off, the windscreen was blown off, there were bits of car in my garden and bits of car in next door's garden." Both ends of the street were sealed off with police tape as scenes-of-crime officers searched the scene. A West Yorkshire Police spokesman said no one was hurt in the incident. Asked about the proximity of the attack to the house of the man on the BNP list, he said: "The cause of the damage and any potential motive all form part of the current investigation." Thousands of BNP supporters were named on the list, which was leaked on an internet blog. The list, which was removed from the original blog where it was posted, but remains available on other websites, names a number of current and former servicemen, along with ex-policemen. http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/39Firebomb-attack39-near-home-of.4721614.jp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busybeeburns Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 maybe the "Jedi" list will be next to leak, my young padawans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thompson Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 maybe the "Jedi" list will be next to leak, my young padawans? Yeah, I also hear they've increased security on the list of 'The Ting Tings' fans. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Rose Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 What, the list which only contains Ian's name? Luv you really boss;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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