Two Coldplay questions i have....

[Tnspieler1012]

I called coldplay sell-outs by pointing out that great artists evolve and operate off new sources of inspiration to realize their potential? Records has nothing to do with it. VLV is no more of a "sell-out" album than Kid-A. They are examples of two bands making the music that they want to make. Please show me where in VLV coldplay sacrificed their "artistic integrity". The band said that they wanted to get away from the redundancy and same tricks they used in X&Y, and thats exactly what they've done. They wanted to make it colorful, and here they've presented 12 diverse songs completely unlike each other and everything they've done before.

 

and I'm getting ticked off by you and the "sounds" you miss so much. You know what selling out is? Selling out is sacrificing one's creativity to appease the complaints of your fan-base. Selling out is a punk band that writes 100 songs that sound exactly the same because they don't want to ruin their image. Do you think that after AROBTTH, fans were saying, "okay, now start from scratch and try something bold and different, completely unlike AROBTTH, even though many of us may not like it." Of course not. You said it yourself that most fans prefer the older sound...meaning there's always far more pressure to not waver and cash in on whats working at the time. Once you're in the groove its easy to keep doing the same thing, they could've made a healthy living making another ten albums in the signature, old-fashion coldplay sound.

 

But Coldplay is an impatient band, they get excited by the prospekt of trying new things, and bless them for not being deterred by fans like you who try to lock their music away in a cage, and then call them sell-outs when it escapes.

 

Those eras, those albums, will always be there. You can go on you-tube and watch all those old songs in that old style anytime and as many times as you want. Changing in the present doesn't change the past. But repeating the past in the present hinders a band from progressing artistically and musically.

[cpfan50]

I hope you realize you pretty much in your own words right there called Coldplay sellouts, You might not understand the definetion of a sell out so i decided to look it up for you....

 

sell out :

when a band/singer/rapper changes their music/style in order to sell records

 

sell out:

Anyone who sacrifices artistic integrity in an effort to become more successful or popular (generally in music); someone who forgets their roots.

 

 

i hate to say this put i think you just made me come to the conclusion that yes they are becoming sellouts....I missing my Parachutes and AROBTTH sound...Im sure if you'de ask the fans the majority like their 'old' music to their 'new' music

im not saying anything else regarding this because i feel i am putting coldplay down..

 

To answer roche714's questions...

 

Of coarse other bands use backtracks, however i dont agree with the use of them. It to me takes away from the live on stage experience. I hope you take no offence to this but if you think using a backtracks for live performances is a positive thing then i really dont find you too musically intelligent.

 

You cant compare Radiohead or rush to coldplay when it comes to using backtracks because neither radiohead or rush have backtracks. I was told by Tnspieler that "songs like VLV demand an instrumentation that exceeds the capabilities of 4 people." My point to him was Rush has 3 band members and they play multiple instruments. Same as radiohead playing multiple instruments but with 5 members. Hell even Chris puts Radiohead as an uncomparable band...and chris at one time requested them to play with them/compose a song and Thom refused to because he personally hates coldplay and feels how i do now that they have become sellouts..

 

BTW thanks for the Interview with the violinist.

 

I think it's harsh to call Coldplay 'sellouts' just because they have changed their sound. The definition of selling out that you quote - "Anyone who sacrifices artistic integrity in an effort to become more successful or popular (generally in music); someone who forgets their roots" shouldn't be confused with evolving as musicians and being experimental. Coldplay didn't write X&Y or Viva only to sell millions of albums or be popular (they already were by then), as the boys have said in countless interviews, they did it because they wanted to try something different. That's not "forgetting their roots" - it's building on them and moving forward.

 

If they had stuck with the very same sound as earlier they would probably have broken up by now, totally bored making the same old stuff. Whilst it's fine for you to miss the Parachutes and Rush of Blood sound, that is just your taste. Just because they moved on to try new things doesn't make them a sellout. They have still applied the same principles to their music style and they still sit down together as a band and write their own songs as they have always done, thus in my mind keeping their "artistic integrity".

 

As for using backing tracks instead of bringing extra musicians along on tour to play the additional parts, I can see why they choose not to. The four of them have a really great dynamic and chemistry. I think a lot of their success is based on it being the four of them - all best friends on stage together is part of what people come to see. I think adding strangers to this would sort of kill the dynamic of their stage performance.

[twiqz]

 

As for using backing tracks instead of bringing extra musicians along on tour to play the additional parts, I can see why they choose not to. The four of them have a really great dynamic and chemistry. I think a lot of their success is based on it being the four of them - all best friends on stage together is part of what people come to see. I think adding strangers to this would sort of kill the dynamic of their stage performance.

 

 

Im seriously done talking about this sell out bull crap, im setting in my mind that they changed their sound not to sell more records and to instead change due to an experimental process and to not have the same sound in the case that they might become bored with the 'same old same old' ....im saying nothing more, its only making me more upset...

 

Regarding your comment CPfan50 about the backing tracks , thats fine . I went through Vivas ablum and picked out some possible backtracks, i wanted to be aware and not surprised for when i see them live and up close that what backtracks should I to expect and not to expect to hear live...Here is what i found

 

unknown instrument in the beginging on life in technicolor - is it an accoustic guitar that Guy or Johnny is 'picking'?

clapping in cemetries in london - Do they all clap along here?

Stomping/clapping, tamberine, banjo? and keyboard in Lost

Voilin in 42 - I think this was already answered - No coldplay member plays the violin live?

keyboards/sound effects in lovers in japan

backround sound effects in reign of love (please tell me chris plays the piano and not anything else)

Violin and sound effects in Yes

Voilin and sound effects in Viva La Vida

background sound effects in violet hill

clapping and is that Johnnys guitar in the background of strawberry swing?

and lastly....sound effects (at the end of death and all his friend)

 

If anyone who has seen them live could please answer which backtracks are used and which are performed on stage live it would be GREATLY appreciated. Thank you

[Tnspieler1012]

That unknown instrument is a hammered-dulcimer and its backtracked. again, one instrument too many, but its just an intro. The show really kicks off with Violet Hill which is 100% live. The crowd claps along to Cemeteries of London (presuming they know the song well enough to pick up the rythm. No instruments backtracked.

 

The handclaps in Lost!, like COL are not in the live version. and banjo? Oh...that weird drum in the album version. They've actually replaced that with Guy who plays a separate rythm on Will's tom drum.

 

You'd need a full string ensemble to recreate the strings in 42, its not just a violin but more of a strings synth similar to the album version of politik. I forget whether they're in place live, I just remember Jonny's "ooohs". If so its just the second verse of the intro before Jonny's guitar kicks in.

 

Lovers in Japan is in the only regrettable and slightly dissapointing song where backtracking is concerned. Its impossible for Chris to sing and maintain that rapid piano bit at the same time, so the harpsichordy piano is Backtracked at least during the first verse. They make up for it with the butterflies and Jonnys solo which is way better than the album version, but it is sort of disconcerting, if only for a moment.

 

They only played Reign of Love on a couple times rare occasions last year, and yes Chris was playing piano and singing the whole time.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjR1LPlr2ro]YouTube - Coldplay - Reign of Love (live in Köln 12.09.08)[/ame]

 

They're not playing Yes either, but when they did Jonny imitated the violin riff before the chorus with a guitar lick.

 

You didn't ask, but CSC is fully live. I think I said all I know about VLV. I said VH was fully live, as it is.

 

Strawberry Swing is also fully live. That is Jonny's guitar and Will/Guy clap and use marracas up until the second verse. No noticeable backtracks.

 

Also nothing in DAAHF's that I noticed or know of.

[cpfan50]

I can't quite remember when there is clapping throughout the show, apart from I definitely remember seeing Guy do it on stage for Strawberry Swing!

 

The violins music was done live for the album by Davide Rossi (the Italian who plays with Goldfrapp) but he doesn't come with them so that must be played as a backing track.

 

They open the show with the beginning of Life in Technicolor (like on the album) playing as they run on stage , so that isn't live. They actually start playing live with Violet Hill.

 

I know both Jonny and Guy do some key board playing during the show which may account for some of the effects. Jonny does in Viva I think. Not sure though. I think you'd have to ask someone who'd been to a show more recently.

 

I don't think they've been playing Reign of Love or Yes live.

 

When you go and see them live I don't think you'll be disappointed. This tour was definitely the best concert of the theirs that I have ever been to. Hope you have fun when you do go :)

[cpfan50]

That unknown instrument is a hammered-dulcimer and its backtracked. again, one instrument too many, but its just an intro. The show really kicks off with Violet Hill which is 100% live. The crowd claps along to Cemeteries of London (presuming they know the song well enough to pick up the rythm. No instruments backtracked.

 

The handclaps in Lost!, like COL are not in the live version. and banjo? Oh...that weird drum in the album version. They've actually replaced that with Guy who plays a separate rythm on Will's tom drum.

 

You'd need a full string ensemble to recreate the strings in 42, its not just a violin but more of a strings synth similar to the album version of politik. I forget whether they're in place live, I just remember Jonny's "ooohs". If so its just the second verse of the intro before Jonny's guitar kicks in.

 

Lovers in Japan is in the only regrettable and slightly dissapointing song where backtracking is concerned. Its impossible for Chris to sing and maintain that rapid piano bit at the same time, so the harpsichordy piano is Backtracked at least during the first verse. They make up for it with the butterflies and Jonnys solo which is way better than the album version, but it is sort of disconcerting, if only for a moment.

 

They only played Reign of Love on a couple times rare occasions last year, and yes Chris was playing piano and singing the whole time.

 

They're not playing Yes either, but when they did Jonny imitated the violin riff before the chorus with a guitar lick.

 

You didn't ask, but CSC is fully live. I think I said all I know about VLV. I said VH was fully live, as it is.

 

Strawberry Swing is also fully live. That is Jonny's guitar and Will/Guy clap and use marracas up until the second verse. No noticeable backtracks.

 

Also nothing in DAAHF's that I noticed or know of.

 

Wow - you know your stuff! I should have just let you answer!! :D :)

[twiqz]

wow reign of love is truly amazing

 

Thanks alot of the explanations Tnspieler1012, after you explaining they dont use too much backtrack now that i realize it is a necessity, i appreciate your friendlyness and your toleration for my nasty attitude :D

[Tnspieler1012]

Thanks, and I wanna apologize for going on one too many rants in reply. Think what you want, don't let me stop you. I just kept getting frustrated that my posts were having the exact opposite effect I had intended. Like being agreed with that coldplay had sold-out. But sometimes I take things too seriously. No hard feelings.

[MartinFan]

Man you guy's are so deep!!! I have been a hardcore fan from the time of their first gig!! Take a deep breath, and relax, they are the biggest band in the world at the moment, and put out great material and everyone should just pop a cd in and chill out to them. All this crap about rapping, and ripping off other bands, and not sounding like they did years ago, down to the live performances in concert, who the EF cares, In my opinion they are Coldplay, Not u2, radiohead ect.... They are the GREATEST BAND AROUND, No sellouts here!!! Except for their concerts, where obviously, they are the best LIVE band around as well!!!:kiss:;) Peace

[twiqz]

 

They open the show with the beginning of Life in Technicolor (like on the album) playing as they run on stage , so that isn't live. They actually start playing live with Violet Hill.

 

 

Hey when you say this are you saying that they dont play any of their instruments during life in technicolor AT ALL? Im just trying to picture them coming out on stage and sitting there staring aimlessly at the crowd for 2 minutes until the life in technicolor backtrack ends and they they pick up their instruments for violet hill???..lol that cant be right

[Tnspieler1012]

No, all four of them play.

 

here, this should help...

 

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzicbYXOhPA]YouTube - [HQ] Coldplay Life In Technicolor Sound Relief (best quality)[/ame]

[cold_love23]

but if you think using a backtracks for live performances is a positive thing then i really dont find you too musically intelligent.

 

 

:laugh3: omg laugh of the day.

 

what are you talking about? almost every live performer uses a backing track at some point.

[twiqz]

:laugh3: omg laugh of the day.

 

what are you talking about? almost every live performer uses a backing track at some point.

 

WOW. Even though this is months later, this was my 'OMG laugh of the DAY!' Maybe if you actually READ the thread than you would understand this topic. :laugh3: