Aaron all the things I'm saying can be backed up by reports and quotes and in some cases voting records. Where are your facts, instead of opinions?

 

Oh and the people are seeing this too...that is why Democrats and Obama are under attack from even Obama former supporters. Because they're doing the same thing they were mad at the Republicans for doing.

 

His poll numbers and many politicians numbers are dropping because they realize failed economic polices from the past do not work and that is what Obama and most in Congress support. People are realizing Obama is a bigger Bush in many ways and we wanted change, not the same failed policies under a new name.

I think I need to make one thing clear here. I DO not like how Obama is running the country right now. Obama is not really doing what I had hoped he would do. I do not have the time to fact check the stats you threw at me so I will give you credit where it is due.

However, My one and only point, the thing that really makes me so fucking stressed is when people(Republicans mostly and sometimes you, no offense:) )pile all of this shit on Obama and say he is worse than Bush. I, in my partisan bullshit liberal crazy wacky mind think he is doing as good a job as he can given the cards he was dealt. NO, I don't like his increase in war spending, NO I don't like his nose being stuck in South American affairs. NO, I don't like how he wants to go and pass this health care bill without really working out a solution that people can really be happy with. And Nick, come on dude, you know damn well we will never be a communist/socialist country. That is pure scare tactic propaganda that you are falling for. We will never go down that road and you know it so stop throwing around that Obama is hanging out with Commies. I could give a fuck if he is. Whatever. Bush was friends with the Bin Ladin's remember.

Anyway man, we are not ever going to see eye to eye politically, ever. It is fun debating with you and I am sorry that I lose my cool sometimes. It is so hard for me to write a lot. Verbal debate is much better for me. I can say much more that way.

Peace dude!

For fuck sake people hated bush and judge him after less than six months in office. Doesn't make it any different. I think people who say "Well... it's too soon to critcized" are just deniers who voted for him and are like "oh shit.. did I vote wrong?!"

 

um. actually, I was cool with Bush until Iraq. ok.

um. actually, I was cool with Bush until Iraq. ok.

 

I think not. It went downhill when 9/11 struck, but then it plummited after Iraq.

I think not. It went downhill when 9/11 struck, but then it plummited after Iraq.

 

I had no issues with invading Afghanistan. Bin Ladin was there. The taliban would not give him up. I got pissed at Bush starting with Iraq. You are right though that most people hated him from day one.

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I think I need to make one thing clear here. I DO not like how Obama is running the country right now. Obama is not really doing what I had hoped he would do.

 

Is that not the purest form of partisan politics, blinding following one side?

 

However, My one and only point, the thing that really makes me so fucking stressed is when people(Republicans mostly and sometimes you, no offense )pile all of this shit on Obama and say he is worse than Bush

 

I can do that from analyzing Bush's policies and Obama's policies and looking at long term trends of those policies. Were close to 1/4 of his presidency and his polices are what helped cause this problem, thus I can easily deduce it will make things worse.

 

When all he's doing with his core policies are the same as Bush but bigger, I have every right to say he's worse than Bush. Like I said, this is from research, not opinion. How can I not dislike him for continuing the same failed policies?

 

And Nick, come on dude, you know damn well we will never be a communist/socialist country.

 

We are socialist right now...so going further left leads to Communism. I know were socialist because of our economic polices align with socialism.

 

You can tell a lot about a leader by who he listens to, appoints and has spoken highly of. Many of them are self proclaimed Communist, so the leader of our nation has surrounded himself throughout his life with Communist and extremist.

 

That is pure scare tactic propaganda that you are falling for.

 

I study, Communism, socialism, free market capitalism, so I can deduce from the facts, economic policies, quotes and advisers how were heading towards that.

We will never go down that road and you know it so stop throwing around that Obama is hanging out with Commies.

 

This has been proven, many of his adviser ADMIT it. He's admitted to who has influence him in the past, many self proclaimed communist, he's talked and admitted to who he's recently been in bed with...many extremist and many self proclaimed communist.

 

So its been proven he has surrounded himself with Communist and extremist. You can tell a lot about a leader by who he appoints..

Yea, but Bush never did some nationwide speech.

 

maybe he should have.. he is/was after all, the President of a Nation... one of the greatest which no thanks to him, is viewed by most of the world as a bunch of babbling idiots having "voted" him into office 2x.

 

Like Bush's war? Well Obama is sending more troops to Afghanistan and troops to Columbia and increasing military all over the world.:shocked2: Not change!

 

What else has Bush done that was much worse and Obama has not done, approved of or intends to do?!

 

uh, Columbia is a University... Colombia would be the country. What has Bush done that is worse than Obama... wow where should I start! :lol: ok lets see... lied to the American people.. allowed the needless torture of POWs, cheated his way into the White House, caused the BIGGEST deficit in US history... managed to get himself in the books as the ONLY president in US history to have the LOWEST approval rating of ANY US president... INCLUDING Nixon!! :) what else... OH and as for my "lack of grammar"... suck it. :nice:

 

ps-Before Obama even took office... he made more moves than Bush. I may have exaggerated the fact by saying "Bush's entire term"- but really, can we judge him entirely on just 8mos of presidency? Doesn't seem fair really...

 

but whatever... time will speak for itself.

 

At work so can't stay on for very long but I need to address some bullshit being spewed in this thread. No offense Nick and Josh but damn guys it's like you all have this support group of people that are against Obama and shoot down any and all pro-obama talk in an instant. For fuck sake, the guy has not even been in office for a year and you all judge him.

And Nick, REALLY, Obama is 100X worse than Bush or Hitler or Stalin. WTF. Please tell me you are kidding. Bush is responsible for tens of thousands of dead Iraqi's. Stalin killed millions of Russiand, Hitler millions of Jews, Homosexuals, Gypsies. How in the hell can you even compare Obama.

Don't forget Nick, that he is trying to finish up Bush's bullshit war that BUSH started in the first place. Hello, where were you in 2003?

Secondly, Bush fucked up the environmental movement allowing companies to buy their way out of polluting the air that we breath.

You then foolishly bring up Obama breaching our constitutional rights. What? Really? Um, how about bush's patriot act. The ACLU filed how many law suits for people that were illegally held against their will by the U.S. with no proof of wrongdoing. Due process out the window.

The rich got richer and the poor got pooer under Bush. Tax cuts for the rich. That was Bush. Record surplus to a record deficit. That was Bush. You all seem to think that Obama inherited this great economy and that there was no war and everything was sunshine. He is trying to pick up the mess that bush helped create. You all hide behind the banner of "we hate bush too" just so you can bash Obama. You try being president for a day and get back to me. Peace!

 

I think I :heart: you....... :kiss: thank you!!!

Alright Nick. I am not a blind when it comes to Obama. Who did you vote for in the election? I voted for who I thought would advance my place in this world the best. As a gay man that hope rests in Obama. I vote mostly based on social issues. That is all. If you want to think me naive. Go for it. I cannot entertain this discussion any more. As I have said before. If we could talk this out it would go much better. I have toooooooooooooo much to say to write it out. I can't search for facts and shit right now because I do not have time and fankly, I really don't care. You're a good guy Nick. Let's let it go.

Peace,

Aaron

maybe he should have.. he is/was after all, the President of a Nation... one of the greatest which no thanks to him, is viewed by most of the world as a bunch of babbling idiots having "voted" him into office 2x.

 

You think Obama should be the Superintendent in Chief? The powers of the Federal government are too strong as it is, we don't need him influencing our children.

maybe he should have.. he is/was after all, the President of a Nation... one of the greatest which no thanks to him, is viewed by most of the world as a bunch of babbling idiots having "voted" him into office 2x.

 

 

 

uh, Columbia is a University... Colombia would be the country. What has Bush done that is worse than Obama... wow where should I start! :lol: ok lets see... lied to the American people.. allowed the needless torture of POWs, cheated his way into the White House, caused the BIGGEST deficit in US history... managed to get himself in the books as the ONLY president in US history to have the LOWEST approval rating of ANY US president... INCLUDING Nixon!! :) what else... OH and as for my "lack of grammar"... suck it. :nice:

 

ps-Before Obama even took office... he made more moves than Bush. I may have exaggerated the fact by saying "Bush's entire term"- but really, can we judge him entirely on just 8mos of presidency? Doesn't seem fair really...

 

but whatever... time will speak for itself.

 

 

 

I think I :heart: you....... :kiss: thank you!!!

 

 

 

Camille:kiss: I :heart: you so much. It has been way to long my dear:)

lied to the American people.. allowed the needless torture of POWs

 

Obama has lied a lot too. As far as torture, that is a valid point, he seems to be a lot better than Bush on that ONE issue. But that is much smaller then economics, more wars.

 

cheated his way into the White House, caused the BIGGEST deficit in US history...

 

Yes he did, Obama lied his way in, is that

 

caused the BIGGEST deficit in US history

 

Have you seen the recent numbers? Obama has taken Bush's deficit and taken it MUCH further, so now Obama has caused the biggest deficit in American history. How can you attack Bush for that and its ok for Obama to spend even more?

 

. managed to get himself in the books as the ONLY president in US history to have the LOWEST approval rating of ANY US president.

 

His approval rating should have been zero, but were not all perfect in our views. However Obama is working is way to a record low, I can easily see him at the end of his term being near a record low or at least low. Because the main issues people were mad about with Bush Obama is doing but bigger...deficit, war, attacks on Constitution and lying to America.

 

time will speak for itself.

 

Time has spoken, thats why our economy is in a mess, failed economic policies of the past that Obama is not only continuing but magnifying.(Quantitative easing, low interest rates, credit creation, trade deficit, nation deficit, deficit being funded more by foreigners) So from previously failed policies one can easily deduce Obama's 8 month's efforts so far won't work.

You think Obama should be the Superintendent in Chief? The powers of the Federal government are too strong as it is, we don't need him influencing our children.

 

I don't think its that deep though.. I think he's just going to talk about hope and how the future is theirs for the taking... like an inspirational speaker. I don't think he is taking or planning on taking control of the schools across the country, unless I am misunderstanding your statement..

 

the government has ALWAYS controlled what we learn in schools.. so really, there's no new thing here.. as far as curriculum is concerned. Whats so wrong about a little boy or girl looking up to a Black man who is the President of the United States?

 

maybe I am stupid... meh. :rolleyes:

Alright Nick. I am not a blind when it comes to Obama. Who did you vote for in the election? I voted for who I thought would advance my place in this world the best. As a gay man that hope rests in Obama. I vote mostly based on social issues. That is all. If you want to think me naive. Go for it. I cannot entertain this discussion any more. As I have said before. If we could talk this out it would go much better. I have toooooooooooooo much to say to write it out. I can't search for facts and shit right now because I do not have time and fankly, I really don't care. You're a good guy Nick. Let's let it go.

Peace,

Aaron

 

 

I voted for Ron Paul in the primary, but of course my party was not ready for change or to defeat corruption. So in the actual election I voted for the "Constitutional party" because they were the lesser of all the evils on the ballot.

 

Aaron, I think gay marriage should be legal and you should all the right's a straight man has. I believe in equality, and want to work towards it. But Obama does not support gay marriage, its a pawn by him to gain votes, he has done nothing to help it become legal.

Obama has lied a lot too. As far as torture, that is a valid point, he seems to be a lot better than Bush on that ONE issue. But that is much smaller then economics, more wars.

 

 

 

Yes he did, Obama lied his way in, is that

 

 

 

Have you seen the recent numbers? Obama has taken Bush's deficit and taken it MUCH further, so now Obama has caused the biggest deficit in American history. How can you attack Bush for that and its ok for Obama to spend even more?

 

 

 

His approval rating should have been zero, but were not all perfect in our views. However Obama is working is way to a record low, I can easily see him at the end of his term being near a record low or at least low. Because the main issues people were mad about with Bush Obama is doing but bigger...deficit, war, attacks on Constitution and lying to America.

 

 

 

Time has spoken, thats why our economy is in a mess, failed economic policies of the past that Obama is not only continuing but magnifying.(Quantitative easing, low interest rates, credit creation, trade deficit, nation deficit, deficit being funded more by foreigners) So from previously failed policies one can easily deduce Obama's 8 month's efforts so far won't work.

 

:laugh3: I like you. You make me laugh.

I don't think its that deep though.. I think he's just going to talk about hope and how the future is theirs for the taking... like an inspirational speaker. I don't think he is taking or planning on taking control of the schools across the country, unless I am misunderstanding your statement..

 

the government has ALWAYS controlled what we learn in schools.. so really, there's no new thing here.. as far as curriculum is concerned. Whats so wrong about a little boy or girl looking up to a Black man who is the President of the United States?

 

maybe I am stupid... meh. :rolleyes:

 

You are far from stupid. Oh, and I :heart: you

:laugh3: I like you. You make me laugh.

 

As usual ignore the facts, that is why you voted for Obama.:\

 

Blind obedience is trendy. Thinking for yourself is so 2002...

I voted for Ron Paul in the primary, but of course my party was not ready for change or to defeat corruption. So in the actual election I voted for the "Constitutional party" because they were the lesser of all the evils on the ballot.

 

Aaron, I think gay marriage should be legal and you should all the right's a straight man has. I believe in equality, and want to work towards it. But Obama does not support gay marriage, its a pawn by him to gain votes, he has done nothing to help it become legal.

 

Obama has never said that he supports gay marriage. He couldn't because this repressed country would not have voted him in then. However, he does support civil unions and if the opportunity presented itself he would support gay marriage too.

Oh yeah, Ron Paul is a homophobic dick so I do not like him.

I like how people think they can talk about what is going on without doing any research on what is actually going on than get mad at others who have.

 

If you can't take the time to back up your views, you should be worried.

As usual ignore the facts, that is why you voted for Obama.:\

 

Blind obedience is trendy. Thinking for yourself is so 2002...

 

there is no truth in what you speak, only opinion. Which last time I checked, we were all entitled to. Discussing with you is pointless as Aaron has mentioned, because you refuse to 'discuss'.... but its ok. You saw the light eventually on Bush and his cronies.. maybe one day you will see the light again. :nice:

 

-and for the record, I voted Obama because I sure as HELL was not going to vote for some nimrod Palin.. :) so you can thank her for losing the election lol -Obama also made me believe that this country is wonderful. Something I think as a born American I took for granted. I actually felt patriotic and proud that I was a part of something bigger than I could have ever imagined. Yes... I would proudly say I voted Obama... :)

I don't think its that deep though.. I think he's just going to talk about hope and how the future is theirs for the taking... like an inspirational speaker. I don't think he is taking or planning on taking control of the schools across the country, unless I am misunderstanding your statement..

 

the government has ALWAYS controlled what we learn in schools.. so really, there's no new thing here.. as far as curriculum is concerned. Whats so wrong about a little boy or girl looking up to a Black man who is the President of the United States?

 

maybe I am stupid... meh. :rolleyes:

 

Some parents just don't want politicians talking to their kids. Is that so much to ask?

Obama has never said that he supports gay marriage. He couldn't because this repressed country would not have voted him in then. However, he does support civil unions and if the opportunity presented itself he would support gay marriage too.

Oh yeah, Ron Paul is a homophobic dick so I do not like him.

 

I think Ron Paul is ok with gay marriage if the state decides its legal, and as time goes people become more opened minded and want equality for everyone. I like the fact that a lot of his supporters are for freedom for everyone, I've met many who do not agree with homosexuality but think the government has no right to make it illegal.

 

So far RP is the most likely mainstream politician who would allow gay marriage.

Ron Paul needs some food!!! Someone get that man a sandwich!!! :lol:

I like how people think they can talk about what is going on without doing any research on what is actually going on than get mad at others who have.

 

If you can't take the time to back up your views, you should be worried.

 

Hey Nick, guess what. I said I vote based on SOCIAL ISSUES. I could scour the internet and read some great articles to back up my point-of-view and then post them here and call them facts. Your facts about Obama's spending are true. Ok. I'l give you that.

But please get off your high fucking horse when it comes to the economy being worse off. We are slowly but surely trying to build back up. That cannot be denied. You are talking about people guessing where the economy is going to go. No one really knows what's going to happen. THAT'S the fact jack. Chill out and stop condescending me. I tried to call a truce and you hit me with your most recent message.

I think Ron Paul is ok with gay marriage if the state decides its legal, and as time goes people become more opened minded and want equality for everyone. I like the fact that a lot of his supporters are for freedom for everyone, I've met many who do not agree with homosexuality but think the government has no right to make it illegal.

 

So far RP is the most likely mainstream politician who would allow gay marriage.

 

A quote from Ron Paul.

"Homosexuals," it said, "not to speak of the rest of society, were far better off when social pressure forced them to hide their activities."

 

 

Me thinks you missed the mark there Nick.

there is no truth in what you speak, only opinion. Which last time I checked, we were all entitled to. Discussing with you is pointless as Aaron has mentioned, because you refuse to 'discuss'.... but its ok. You saw the light eventually on Bush and his cronies.. maybe one day you will see the light again. :nice:

 

-and for the record, I voted Obama because I sure as HELL was not going to vote for some nimrod Palin.. :) so you can thank her for losing the election lol -Obama also made me believe that this country is wonderful. Something I think as a born American I took for granted. I actually felt patriotic and proud that I was a part of something bigger than I could have ever imagined. Yes... I would proudly say I voted Obama... :)

 

The Federal Government have released the data showing Obama's spending is more then Bush's. THis is coming from government, how is that my "opinion"?

 

Everything I've said has been released in reports, his spending, quotes from him and his advisers. His voting record on FISA and Patriot Act, his voting on increasing the Afghanistan war, this is all public information.

 

Can you provide a report that he is spending less than Bush? A smaller deficit? Not escalating the war in Afghanistan? Not sending troops to S.America? Not increasing defense spending?