Glossal Fragster Posted September 11, 2009 Share Posted September 11, 2009 Derren Brown, in my opinion, is a truly interesting and brilliant man (Was a thread for a "Darren Brown", but that's not right.) To achieve his results, he combines magic, suggestion, psychology, misdirection and showmanship. He's not like your average David Blaine or any nonsense like that. If you don't know this man, you really need to give him a whirl. I'd suggest watching an episode of either "Trick Of The Mind", "Trick or Treat" or one of his live shows. In all of Derren's work, no stooges or participants are told about it beforehand. I'll post a link here, so you can get a feel of what his shows are like, but you really need to watch and episode or two, to get a feeling for his real genius. http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-2428437236878343763&ei=IDaqSuuuGdCA-Abiqcz-Dw&q=derren+brown&hl=en# (Please note, that video above can be a bit scary, but nowhere near as scary as it must have been for the poor chap involved) I'm sure other people that know him will be able to tell you he's really rather good. Nathan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh42 Posted September 11, 2009 Share Posted September 11, 2009 He's truly brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glossal Fragster Posted September 11, 2009 Author Share Posted September 11, 2009 Indeed he is! Since this is Coldplaying, and Simon Pegg has a lot of fans on here, here is a link to the time he did one of his "things" to Simon. http://video.google.co.uk/videosearch?hl=en&source=hp&q=derren%20brown&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wv#q=derren+brown+simon+pegg&hl=en&emb=0 Click on the 3rd video down. It should work. and if that doesn't work, direct link here. http://www.gametrailers.com/user-movie/did-you-really-want-that/33873 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest howyousawtheworld Posted September 11, 2009 Share Posted September 11, 2009 Saw him predict the lottery numbers live on TV. I'd like to see it again because if the balls with his predictions were off camera during the draw I bet someone was replacing them whilst he wrote the numbers down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc_squared Posted September 11, 2009 Share Posted September 11, 2009 Saw him predict the lottery numbers live on TV. I'd like to see it again because if the balls with his predictions were off camera during the draw I bet someone was replacing them whilst he wrote the numbers down. Yes, it's basically all some kind of con - just a question of how.;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest howyousawtheworld Posted September 11, 2009 Share Posted September 11, 2009 Well we'll find out tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glossal Fragster Posted September 12, 2009 Author Share Posted September 12, 2009 Did anyone watch last night then? Whatever your thoughts are on it, you can't argue with the fact that it was brilliant entertainment, and Derren has so far, achieved the "Events of Misdirection" he is aiming for. [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTTPrpdcpBw]YouTube - 'The Events' | Derren Brown | 11th September[/ame] (Well, I suppose you could argue with it being brilliant entertainment, if you don't like him at all. If that's the case, then why are you in this thread? To Boooo at him!?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc_squared Posted September 12, 2009 Share Posted September 12, 2009 ^Why not. There's no law against it.:rolleyes: I mean, let's face it. If he really were able to predict lottery numbers, he'd probably be a multi-billionaire by now.:dozey: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc_squared Posted September 12, 2009 Share Posted September 12, 2009 OK Derren, now tell us how you REALLY did it: Experts pour scorn on illusionist's explanation of lottery stunt By Paul Revoir Last updated at 11:34 AM on 12th September 2009 Comments (42) Add to My Stories Derren Brown last night claimed that he used a traditional 'country fair' technique to accurately predict Wednesday's lottery result. But this was immediately ridiculed by experts who said it was 'complete rubbish' and that he had used TV wizardry to fool the public. Earlier this week, he had amazed viewers by apparently guessing the correct numbers - 2, 11, 23, 28, 35 and 39 - which would be drawn from the machine. Scroll down for video Derren Brown correctly worked out Wednesday night's winning lottery numbers by asking a group of 24 people to guess them Last night the illusionist suggested he had simply worked out the correct numbers by asking a group of 24 people to guess them with the use of so-called unconscious 'automatic writing'. On 'How To Win the Lottery' aired on Channel 4, he said he took the team and told them to free their minds of any thoughts of winning and then asked them to write down numbers for each of the six balls. More... A lotto sofa searching in Sheffield after £5million winning ticket goes unclaimed Mr Brown, who sparked massive interest with the stunt, claimed he then simply added up all their numbers for each of the balls and divided the figures by 24. Numbers up: Brown makes history by becoming the first person to successfully predict the National Lottery numbers live on air He took inspiration from the Wisdom of Crowds theory, which essentially says that decisions made by lots of people are better than those by individuals. The theory tells how a crowd at a county fair accurately guessed the weight of an ox when their individual guesses were averaged. However viewers pointed out that after several rehearsals when the group failed to predict all the correct numbers Brown did the final calculations himself and refused to reveal the result to the group before the actual draw. They didn't find out that they had apparently picked the 'right' numbers until Brown revealed his 'prediction' to the rest of the nation. And last night maths experts poured scorn on Brown's explanation saying that the whole thing was 'bluff' and 'nonsense'. Professor of Pure Mathematics at University of Oxford Roger Heath-Brown said: 'This is not a good strategy for picking the lottery. But I can understand why some people might think it is a plausible strategy. You're unbelievable: Participants gasp as the winning lottery numbers come up 'Mathematically it is complete rubbish. It is a bluff on his part. He is doing it some other way that is clear. But he is trying to produce what looks like a plausible rationale for producing numbers.' The academic said it was wrong to draw a comparison with the ox experiment as people in that case had some evidence to go on. David Spiegelhalter, professor of public understanding of risk at University of Cambridge said: 'There is a difference between guessing between the weight of a cake compared with guessing lottery balls, which is unguessable. The illusionist looks on as the numbers come up 'That is just a clear wind-up and complete nonsense. There is absolutely no way he did that - he can't get away with that as a serious explanation.' Dr Darrell Rowbottom, who works in the faculty of philosophy at University of Oxford, added: 'The probability of success doesn't change. So we have to conclude that the averaging is irrelevant.' He added: 'I guess the easiest way to pull off a trick like this would be to make it look as if you predicted the numbers when you didn't.' On last night's show Brown claimed he had become fascinated by the theory. Brown took inspiration from the Wisdom of Crowds theory, which says that decisions made by lots of people are better than those by individuals 'This was to lead me down a fascinating path into mathematics, superstition and a powerful, beautiful secret that can only be achieved when we all put our heads together. 'This deep maths finds predictability in randomness. Just think about that for a second. It's taking something as random as a fair toss of a coin and finding predictability in it. Could I apply that to the Lottery?' But leading special effects expert Tim Webber told the Daily Mail he was still 90 per cent confident that the stunt was achieved using split screen trickery. This would see the left hand side of the screen using pre-recorded footage of the balls on the stand which would mask them changing the balls. The left hand side of the screen would then flick back into the live footage after the correct balls were placed in the holders. Feeling the tension: Participants in Derren Brown's stunt watch on in disbelief as he predicts the lottery numbers Mr Webber, who is director of visual effects at Framestore, Europe's biggest visual effects and computer studio animation, said he could have done the same. He said: 'I would be 100 per cent confident that I could pull off the same thing. That it could be done that way. I would be 90 per cent confident that's how he did or along those lines.' He beat odds of almost 14million to one by appearing to predict the correct numbers. Although some viewers branded it a 'cheap trick', lottery operator Camelot took no chances and banned Brown from buying a ticket for the £2.4million jackpot. It emerged that none of the legitimate ticket holders had matched up all six numbers from the draw. Matching numbers: Mathematicians have rubbished Brown's theory More than 3million viewers watched as the 38-year-old said the winning numbers had been written on the back of six white balls in a TV studio hours before the draw was screened at 10.35pm on BBC1 on Wednesday. Many still believe that the stunt was the result of TV wizardry which used technical devices to carry out the illusion. Others have suggested that the magician - who has spent a year working on the stunt - had filmed most of the 13,983,816 different number options and flashed up the correct result on the 'split screen'. Some even think the correct numbers were projected onto the balls by a laser beam as he turned them round. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1212839/Okay-Derren-Brown-tell-REALLY-did-Experts-pour-scorn-illusionists-explanation-lottery-stunt.html#ixzz0QtKA9RPe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Open-Politik Posted September 12, 2009 Share Posted September 12, 2009 He is wicked, I didn't watch but I wanna, he brilliant!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc_squared Posted September 12, 2009 Share Posted September 12, 2009 He is wicked, I didn't watch but I wanna, he brilliant!!! A brilliant trickster??:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh42 Posted September 12, 2009 Share Posted September 12, 2009 [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evZmpsl3jI0]YouTube - Derren Brown beats 9 chess players simultaneously.[/ame] One of my favorites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glossal Fragster Posted September 12, 2009 Author Share Posted September 12, 2009 ^Why not. There's no law against it.:rolleyes: I mean, let's face it. If he really were able to predict lottery numbers, he'd probably be a multi-billionaire by now.:dozey: The fact is, he made people believe that he could. He's just an entertainer really. You'd also call him an illusionist, and he did create the illusion, to a lot of people, that he could predict the lottery numbers. The lottery show, set out to do exactly what he mentioned in that trailer. "Even the simplest tricks, can make the most secure systems vulnerable" Has anyone seen "The Heist"? That was super fascinating to me, and also worrying if the skills Derren had, were in a criminal's hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iPsy Posted September 12, 2009 Share Posted September 12, 2009 I saw the thing you posted on Twitter, James! Do you think that's right? I was fascinated by the whole thing so I don't know what to believe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iPsy Posted September 12, 2009 Share Posted September 12, 2009 I saw The Heist, loved it! I missed Trick or Treat though :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc_squared Posted September 12, 2009 Share Posted September 12, 2009 The fact is, he made people believe that he could. He's just an entertainer really. You'd also call him an illusionist, and he did create the illusion, to a lot of people, that he could predict the lottery numbers. The lottery show, set out to do exactly what he mentioned in that trailer. Maybe so, but at the end of the day, it's still a "trick", albeit an impressive one.;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glossal Fragster Posted September 12, 2009 Author Share Posted September 12, 2009 I do believe the thing I posted on twitter is right. If you think about it, it is impossible to predict it correctly. It's just luck. I'd like to believe he somehow predicted it, but that's just too much. I'll post it here as well, so people can make their minds up. http://poeljames.googlepages.com/HowDerrenDidIt.html and here is the video, which is an example of how the frozen screen thing may have been done. [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqAt2akPHJ8]YouTube - derren brown's lottery trick - possible solution[/ame] Watch the show that was on last night, on channel 4 for the other possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glossal Fragster Posted September 12, 2009 Author Share Posted September 12, 2009 Maybe so, but at the end of the day, it's still a "trick", albeit an impressive one.;) Yeah, it is. Even Derren said "If anyone asks me how I did it, I'll say it was just a trick" or something along those lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc_squared Posted September 12, 2009 Share Posted September 12, 2009 I preferred Paul Daniels. Not a lot, but.................................... :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc_squared Posted September 12, 2009 Share Posted September 12, 2009 Yeah, it is. Even Derren said "If anyone asks me how I did it, I'll say it was just a trick" or something along those lines. Well at least he's being honest about it then, unlike David Blaine.:dozey: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iPsy Posted September 12, 2009 Share Posted September 12, 2009 I watched David Blaine's show after Derren Brown's last night and was really impressed! But he's a bit arrogant, did you hear when he was being interviewed and he refused to say anything! :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc_squared Posted September 12, 2009 Share Posted September 12, 2009 But he's a bit arrogant A bit?? That must be understatement of the year!!:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glossal Fragster Posted September 12, 2009 Author Share Posted September 12, 2009 I watched David Blaine's show after Derren Brown's last night and was really impressed! But he's a bit arrogant, did you hear when he was being interviewed and he refused to say anything! :lol: When I was a bit younger, I'll admit that I liked David Blaine. However, after seeing him do all of this hanging of eagle's beaks nonsense, and knowing how simple some of his tricks are (Most of them are bought, ready to use, especially the card ones), I just decided he's a big idiot. [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYxu_MQSTTY]YouTube - David Blaine Street Magic: YouTube Edition![/ame] This makes me laugh a lot though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RICK8 Posted September 13, 2009 Share Posted September 13, 2009 Just a fake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glossal Fragster Posted September 13, 2009 Author Share Posted September 13, 2009 Just a fake. You mean Derren Brown? If so, he's never claimed to be psychic or anything like that, and whenever people say he is, he's 1st to point out that he does not believe that. Derren uses Suggestion and a load of stuff like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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