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Basically, a blind man had a gun and a gun license before he went blind, and people took him to court saying that his license should be revoked since he was blind. Whether or not people were happy about it or whether or not it was safe, he was allowed to keep his gun because it's part of his Constitutional right. He just has to take a Braille test. Thank God I don't live too close to him. :lol:

 

So are you saying the decision to let him retain his gun licence was a correct one, simply because it's his Constitutional right?:confused:

What if it was his "Constitutional right" to drive a car too?:stunned:

This is where it all gets a bit ridiculous if you ask me.

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So are you saying the decision to let him retain his gun licence was a correct one, simply because it's his Constitutional right?:confused:

What if it was his "Constitutional right" to drive a car too?:stunned:

This is where it all gets a bit ridiculous if you ask me.

 

But it's not his Constitutional right to drive a car, since it's illegal for people with certain disabilities to drive.

 

To clear up some confusion, the Ten Amendments.

 

Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note

 

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

 

Amendment 2 - Right to Bear Arms. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note

 

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

 

Amendment 3 - Quartering of Soldiers. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note

 

No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

 

Amendment 4 - Search and Seizure. Ratified 12/15/1791.

 

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

 

Amendment 5 - Trial and Punishment, Compensation for Takings. Ratified 12/15/1791.

 

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

 

Amendment 6 - Right to Speedy Trial, Confrontation of Witnesses. Ratified 12/15/1791.

 

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

 

Amendment 7 - Trial by Jury in Civil Cases. Ratified 12/15/1791.

 

In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

 

Amendment 8 - Cruel and Unusual Punishment. Ratified 12/15/1791.

 

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

 

Amendment 9 - Construction of Constitution. Ratified 12/15/1791.

 

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

 

Amendment 10 - Powers of the States and People. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note

 

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

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I was clearly speaking "hypothetically". However, you didn't answer my question.;)

 

To answer your question, it is the right decision, because as long as he passes the test again, it's in his right. Just like as long as you pass the driving test, it's your right to drive unless you abuse that right. And the man probably felt defenseless because he can't see and thought he could easily fall victim to a robbery. His reasons are irrelevant, however.

 

But, in our country, if anyone disagrees with the judge they just bring it back to trial in a higher level court and they decide again. Everyone has the right to peacefully protest, but in both the mosque and this case it won't do any good since nobody goes against the Constitution. It's practically what our country was built from. Note that the very first Amendment includes religious freedom.

 

I'm going to stop arguing, because I'm not changing your mind and you're not changing mine and therefore this argument isn't going anywhere. I just wanted people to see the other side of the case.

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To answer your question, it is the right decision, because as long as he passes the test again, it's in his right. Just like as long as you pass the driving test, it's your right to drive unless you abuse that right. And the man probably felt defenseless because he can't see and thought he could easily fall victim to a robbery. His reasons are irrelevant, however.

 

But, in our country, if anyone disagrees with the judge they just bring it back to trial in a higher level court and they decide again. Everyone has the right to peacefully protest, but in both the mosque and this case it won't do any good since nobody goes against the Constitution. It's practically what our country was built from. Note that the very first Amendment includes religious freedom.

 

I'm going to stop arguing, because I'm not changing your mind and you're not changing mine and therefore this argument isn't going anywhere. I just wanted people to see the other side of the case.

 

As I said, government intervention would be wrong, but at the same time, common sense should prevail on the part of those planning to build the mosque there.

If even a handful of the victims' relatives raise objections to it, the planners

should do the decent thing and find another location further away.

You wouldn't feel offended if you walked past it, and neither would I, but neither of us was directly affected by what happened on 9/11.

As difficult as it is, you need to try to yourself in the shoes of those that were.;)

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As I said, government intervention would be wrong, but at the same time, common sense should prevail on the part of those planning to build the mosque there.

If even a handful of the victims' relatives raise objections to it, the planners

should do the decent thing and find another location further away.

You wouldn't feel offended if you walked past it, and neither would I, but neither of us was directly affected by what happened on 9/11.

As difficult as it is, you need to try to yourself in the shoes of those that were.;)

 

How would you know that? I live an hour away from NYC. Half my family lives in NYC. My mom was on her way to a meeting in the Twin Towers the day of the attacks. I remember my first grade teacher getting a phone call, telling us the news, and then the superintendent proceeding to put us in lock down and having our parents picking us up. I remember my Opa picking up my brother and I and driving us home. I remember my father coming home from work and desperately trying to get a hold of my mother. Thankfully, she was stopped on one of the bridges after the attacks happened, but had she left home a half hour earlier, who knows what may have happened. I remember my parents trying to get a hold of my grandparents, who live in the city to make sure they were okay. I remember hearing that one of my best friends' parents had been killed. I remember taking food over to one of our neighbors who is a good friend because her husband had been killed. Speak for yourself, Mark. I might be much younger than you, but I was affected a lot. 9/11 is one of my most vivid memories.

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No, I was talking about you being from the US. :lol:

 

I've done activities with the NRA, though. (NRA SHOOTING DAY FTW! :awesome: They let you shoot some guns for like 15 dollars. :mellow: Shotguns, pistols, even Civil War-era replicas. :awesome:) I don't have any special love for them, though. :thinking:

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The moment an angry crowd protesting against Ground Zero mosque turns on man in a skullcap... because they think he is a Muslim

 

 

By Mail Foreign Service

Last updated at 5:54 PM on 23rd August 2010

 

 

 

This is the terrifying moment a man is verbally abused because a crowd demonstrating against plans to build a mosque near New York's Ground Zero believe he is a Muslim.

The powerfully-built black man who is wearing a type of hat similar to that worn by Muslim men is called a 'coward' and verbally abused by some opponents to the mosque.

Telling them that he does not practice Islam and that they 'don't know why I'm here', the man - identified as a carpenter called Kenny - is eventually saved by the intervention of two men.

 

article-1305255-0AE3C496000005DC-198_634x393.jpg Threatening: A construction worker confronts the man he thinks is a Muslim during a protest at the proposed building site for a mosque near Ground Zero in New York

 

 

 

article-1305255-0AE3C56A000005DC-149_634x434.jpg Ugly: Two men intervene as the argument looks like it may turn physical. The African-American was verbally abused by the crowd because they thought he was a Muslim

 

But that doesn't stop one construction worker in a hard-hat, seeming spoiling for a fight, from squaring up to him.

After a series of jostles, the man is eventually asked to leave the site for his own safety and escorted away by police officers.

 

Yesterday's protests drew hundreds of fever-pitch demonstrators, with opponents carrying signs associating Islam with blood, supporters shouting 'Say no to racist fear!' and American flags waving on both sides.

Brooklyn plumber Steve Ayling said the people who want to build the project are the same ones who 'took down the twin towers'.

Nearby, several hundred people who support the mosque chanted: 'Muslims are welcome here. We say no to racist fear.'

The proposed £70million mosque has ignited furious debate.

 

 

article-1305255-0AE3C6A3000005DC-472_634x467.jpg Shocked: Visibly taken aback, the man is surrounded by protesters against the mosque, before he is escorted away by police moments later

 

 

The growing movement against the building of the mosque gained another prominent supporter last week: the first Muslim Miss USA.

Rima Fakih, 24, the daughter of Lebanese immigrants and a Muslim, criticised the location of the planned mosque.

 

'It shouldn't be so close to the World Trade Center,' Fakih, 24, told Inside Edition during a break from the Miss Universe pageant preparations in Las Vegas.

 

'We should be more concerned with the tragedy than religion.'

 

 

article-1305255-0AE2027C000005DC-845_634x769.jpg United front: A growing number of construction workers are pledging to refuse to work on the mosque

 

 

 

article-1305255-0AE21393000005DC-248_634x424.jpg Insult: A Time magazine poll released last week also revealed that more than 70 per cent of those questioned believed that to build the mosque would insult the memory of victims

After wading into the highly-charged political issue, the Michigan-born Fakih then went on to support President Obama's statement on the constitutional rights of religious freedom.

'I totally agree with President Obama with (that) statement,' she said.

Meanwhile a growing number of New York construction workers are vowing not to work on the mosque planned near Ground Zero, according to the New York Daily News.

 

'It's a very touchy thing because they want to do this on sacred ground,' said Dave Kaiser, 38, a blaster who is working to rebuild the World Trade Center site.

 

The grass-roots movement is gaining momentum on the Internet, reported the Daily News. One construction worker created the Hard Hat Pledge on his blog and asked others to vow not to work on the project if it stays in its current location.

 

 

 

 

article-0-0AE2279C000005DC-568_634x356.jpg Groud Zero: Protestors marched through the streets waving home-made signs

 

 

 

article-0-0AE216A8000005DC-782_634x381.jpg Controversy: The proposed mosque and cultural center would cost £70million and would be located only three blocks away from Ground Zero

 

'Thousands of people are signing up from all over the country,' said creator Andy Sullivan, a construction worker from Brooklyn.

 

'People who sell glass, steel, lumber, insurance. They are all refusing to do work if they build there.

article-0-0ABB90C3000005DC-146_306x438.jpg Bad idea: The first Muslim Miss USA has says she opposes the plans for the mosque and cultural center to be built three blocks from Ground Zero

 

'Hopefully, this will be a tool to get them to move it,' he said. 'I got a problem with this ostentatious building looming over Ground Zero.'

 

L.V. Spina, a Manhattan construction worker who created anti-mosque stickers that some workers are slapping on their hardhats, told the New York Daily News he would 'rather pick cans and bottles out of trash cans' than build the Islamic center near Ground Zero.

'But if they moved it somewhere else, we would put up a prime building for these people,' he said.

 

'Hell, you could do it next to my house, I would be fine with it. But I'm not fine with it where blood has been spilled.'

 

The leader of the proposed Islamic centre and mosque says dropping the plan in the face of protest is not an option.

 

Daisy Khan says she and other organisers of the center are closely consulting with American Muslim leaders as the plan moves forward. Khan says she realises the uproar is affecting Muslims nationwide.

 

The project has created a national debate over religious tolerance and the September 11 attacks.

Khan said yesterday she's under no pressure to change locations from the political leaders who previously expressed support.

Khan and her husband, Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, say the centre will promote moderate Islam. Critics say the location is insensitive to 9/11 families.

New York Governor David Paterson says no meeting to discuss relocating has been scheduled with developers.

Paterson told WNYC Radio's The Take Away last night that he's still seeking a meeting, but the discussion he'd hoped to have this week won't happen.

 

article-0-0AE21E8E000005DC-638_634x391.jpg Racism row: The proposed mosque has stirred-up emotions in New York

 

 

article-0-0AE225BE000005DC-6_634x439.jpg Political row: President Obama has sparked anger amongst Democrats after revealing he suppots the plans to build the mosque

Paterson had said this week that he had hoped to meet with developers in a couple of days to talk about the concerns of those still hurt and angry over the 9/11 attacks.

He says the group postponed a Monday meeting because its imam leader was travelling.

Paterson has also offered to provide state assistance for any relocation.

Up to one in four people, or 24 per cent, said they think Mr Obama, whose middle name is Hussein, is a Muslim after he announced his support for a the building of a mosque near the site of the 9/11 attacks.

The Time poll released last week also revealed that more than 70 per cent of those questioned believed that to build the mosque would insult the memory of victims.

 

The poll emerged as the mosque developers refused to rule out accepting funding for the plan from Iran and Saudi Arabia.

Mr Obama said he has 'no regrets' over the comments he made about the right of Muslims to build an Islamic centre near Ground Zero.

 

 

 

 

article-0-0AE1FFBE000005DC-497_634x358.jpg Misconception: Up to one in four people, or 24 per cent, said they think Mr Obama, whose middle name is Hussein, is a Muslim

 

 

article-1305255-0AE21E6B000005DC-577_634x424.jpg Freedom of religion: President Obama stated last week that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as everyone else in the U.S.

 

 

Mr Obama sparked outrage from Republicans and the families of 9/11 victims after supporting the right of developers to build the mosque.

He inserted himself into the debate over the mosque last week when he said Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as everyone else in the U.S.

 

A day later, he told reporters that he wasn't endorsing the specifics of the mosque plan.

 

 

According to the Siena Research Institute poll, 63 per cent of New Yorkers polled were against its construction and just 27 per cent were for it. But in the same poll a similar margin - 64-to-28 per cent - said the developers had the constitutional right to built it.

The mosque, previously called Cordoba House but now known as Park51, will be a 13-storey Muslim community centre costing £70million which will include a swimming pool, gym, theatre and sports facilities.

Construction is due to begin on September 11 next year - the tenth anniversary of the terrorist attack.

 

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1305255/Ground-Zero-mosque-protest-The-moment-angry-crowd-turns-man-skull-cap--think-Muslim.html#ixzz0xS0yTflK

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Construction is due to begin on September 11 next year - the tenth anniversary of the terrorist attack.

 

 

If this is true, it should be crystal clear to everyone that there is more to this than meets the eye, as there's absolutely no excuse for it.:angry:

This would be like rubbing salt in the wound.

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