What's going to happen to them? :uhoh:

 

I believe they've all been signed up for the next series of Big Brother.:P

Do you think it's possible that the effect of Osama's death could be worse than the threat of Osama alive...?

 

Yes, it's certainly possible

Gosh. :|

 

 

 

Do you think it's possible that the effect of Osama's death could be worse than the threat of Osama alive...?

 

It's most certainly possible.

 

Osama was the person who gave the go ahead for plots, but didn't come up with that many himself. 9/11 wasn't his plot, for example. If his death leads to greater hatred, as you would imagine it would, then they don't even need the right guidance to do damage close to them in neighbouring countries. Could be harder to organise a global threat, but there's always somebody ready to take his place, like in any organisation.

He had five. (According to a news report last night.)

He wouldn't have had enough energy to leave that room even if he had wanted to!

He wouldn't have had enough energy to leave that room even if he had wanted to!

 

Well now he has the 72 virgins to contend with, doesn't he?:rolleyes:

Hundreds of militant Muslims stage mock funeral for Bin Laden outside U.S. embassy in London... as relatives of 7/7 terror attack victims weep at inquest just three miles away

 

 

By Daily Mail Reporter

 

Last updated at 8:24 PM on 6th May 2011

 

 

• Radicals warn 'it is only a matter of time' before another atrocity
  
• EDL member burns Bin Laden effigy among extremist Muslims
  
  

A protest by hundreds of Osama Bin Laden supporters sparked fury outside the US Embassy in London today as they staged a mock 'funeral service' for the terror leader.

Police stepped in to separate the protesters and members of the English Defence League amid threats of violence from both sides.

Radicals carrying placards proclaiming 'Islam will dominate the world' branded US leaders 'murderers' and warned vengeance attacks were 'guaranteed'.

Protesters argue with police officers as they attempt to regain control of the situation in central London

 

 

Muslim protesters clash with police outside the American Embassy in London

 

The protest came shortly after the verdict into the 7/7 inquest was released by Lady Justice Heather Hallett.

She recorded that the 52 victims had been 'unlawfully' killed when four terrorists attacked three London Underground trains and a bus in 2005.

 

More...

 

 

• Emergency services made mistakes after 7/7 bombings - but all 52 victims would have died 'whatever time the emergency services reached them', says coroner
  
• The spies next door: CIA agents moved into house near Bin Laden's compound for months . . .while he'd stayed cooped up in the same room for FIVE years
  
• Effigies burned, flags ablaze and black masked extremists on the streets: Muslim fury over Bin Laden's death erupts at Friday prayers
  
• The glamour model, the billionaire patriarch with 22 wives and the child terrorist: Meet the OTHER Bin Ladens
  
• Effigies burned, flags ablaze and black masked extremists on the streets: Muslim fury over Bin Laden's death erupts at Friday prayers
  

 

Lady Justice Hallett made a string of recommendations to both MI5 to prevent further atrocities and to 999 workers to react more effectively to major events.

Relatives of the victims wept openly as the judge announced her verdict and she paid tribute to their 'quiet dignity' before reading the name of each person who died.

Police try to protect one of their colleagues as he gets into difficulties during the protest

 

 

Muslim demonstrators outside the U.S. embassy protest peacefully before they clashed with police

 

 

However just three miles from the Royal Court of Justice, Muslim protester Abu Muaz, 28, from east London claimed 'it is only a matter of time' before another attack and that the 'West is the enemy'.

The capital has seen heightened security in recent days over fears of a revenge attacks by Al-Qaeda members.

The protest against Bin Laden's death was organised by controversial preacher Anjem Choudary - who praised both 7/7 and the September 11 attacks.

The former UK leader of the outlawed al-Muhajiroun and member of the 'poppy-burning' Muslims Against Crusades extremist group called on the U.S. to return bin Laden's body to relatives.

 

 

 

The demonstrators chant slogans and show off home-made placards as they walk close to Grovesnor Square in central London

 

 

 

 

The Pro-Bin Laden supporters pray for the Al Qaeda leader during the protest

 

This youngster waves a flag of support as he is carried atop a man's shoulders as they walk close to the embassy

 

 

Muslim women in niqabs offer prayers for the Al Qaeda leader outside the embassy

 

He has already warned of another 7/7-style terror attack in the wake of Bin Laden's death.

Britain has followed the US in placing its embassies, diplomatic missions and military bases around the world on heightened alert in recent days.

An EDL member did manage to slip through police lines to unveil an effigy of Bin Laden in the middle of the 300-strong group of extremist Muslims.

It prompted screams of 'USA, burn in hell' and 'Obama, burn in hell' from angry protesters.

The protests from both sides left onlookers in Grosvenor Square unimpressed.

 

 

Police officers stand guard outside the building which, alongside other embassies, diplomatic missions and military bases around the world, has been on heightened alert in recent days

 

 

Members of the English Defence League met at the U.S. embassy to confront the Muslims during the protests

 

 

 

Marie Fatayi-Williams, whose son Anthony was killed in the Tavistock Square explosion, was overcome with emotion as she left the High Court

 

Mary Smythe, 38, from Croydon, south London, said: 'I think both sides are pathetic, quite frankly.

 

'It's disappointing and horrible to listen to the threats. They are all an embarrassment to this country.'

Bin Laden, who masterminded the attack in 2001 on the Twin Towers in New York, was killed on Monday by U.S. forces in Pakistan.

 

The CIA spied on Osama Bin Laden for months from its own top-secret safehouse in Abbottabad, it has since been revealed.

 

In one of the most intricate intelligence operations in CIA history, spies moved in to a property next door to Bin Laden's fortified compound to establish his 'pattern of life'.

President Barack Obama yesterday visited New York to place a wreath at Ground Zero.

 

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1384353/Osama-bin-Laden-mock-funeral-Fury-erupts-outside-US-Embassy-London.html#ixzz1LbsHzpai

None of that story means anything.

Let's move on.

Yes, it's certainly possible

 

It's most certainly possible.

 

Osama was the person who gave the go ahead for plots, but didn't come up with that many himself. 9/11 wasn't his plot, for example. If his death leads to greater hatred, as you would imagine it would, then they don't even need the right guidance to do damage close to them in neighbouring countries. Could be harder to organise a global threat, but there's always somebody ready to take his place, like in any organisation.

 

It's like a never-ending war. :wreck:

None of that story means anything.

 

Yes it does. It shows the civil unrest that has already been caused by Bin Laden's death.;)

It's like a never-ending war. :wreck:

Well, it's only a big problem if we don't help improve the lives of those in Muslim majority poor countries, or if we don't follow our highest ethical principles. After all, recruits happen when inequity persists. There will always be some, but lessening the odds is really where it's at.

Just looking at pictures and video on BBC News from the US Department of Defence showing Bin Laden, grey beard and all flicking the channels. What's the chance he lands on babestation?

What's a babestation.

Yes it does. It shows the civil unrest that has already been caused by Bin Laden's death.;)

A hundred or so people is hardly major news. There were always going to be a few people who disagreed in a nation of 307 million.

 

Just looking at pictures and video on BBC News from the US Department of Defence showing Bin Laden, grey beard and all flicking the channels. What's the chances he lands on babestation?

 

What's a babestation.

 

:laugh3:

Obsessed with his own image: White House releases home movies of Bin Laden watching himself on the news

 

 

Extraordinary home videos taken from Osama bin Laden's hideout show the terrorist leader watching news coverage of himself on television.

The videos were seized by Navy SEALs after Bin Laden was killed Monday. They were shown to reporters this afternoon by intelligence officials.

 

The five movies offer the first public glimpse at Bin Laden's life behind the walls of his compound in suburban Pakistan.

 

 

Image-obsessed: One of the five videos shows Bin Laden sitting on the dirty floor of the compound watching video footage of himself on television after flicking through the channels with a remote control

The footage shows the Al Qaeda leader was still obsessed with trying to control his image even from the confines of the compound

 

The government-selected clips also provide an opportunity for the U.S. to paint Bin Laden in an unflattering light to his supporters.

 

The videos include outtakes of his propaganda films and, taken together, portray him as someone obsessed with his own image and how he is portrayed to the world - even from the confines of the compound.

The videos, released by U.S. intelligence officials Saturday, were offered as further proof that Navy SEALs killed the world's most wanted terrorist this week.

But they also served to show bin Laden as vain, someone obsessed with his portrayal by the world's media.

One of the movies shows bin Laden, his unkempt beard streaked in gray, sitting on the floor, wrapped in a brown blanket and holding a remote control.

 

He flipped back and forth between what appears to be live news coverage of himself. The old, small television was perched on top of a desk with a large tangle of electrical wires running to a nearby control box.

In another, he has apparently dyed and neatly trimmed his beard for the filming of a propaganda video.

 

The video, which the U.S. released without sound, was titled 'Message to the American People' and was believed to be filed sometime last fall, a senior CIA official told reporters today.

The videos were seized from Bin Laden's compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan.

 

 

Practice: New video footage released by the White House today shows Osama Bin Laden wearing a gold robe in what appears to be a propaganda video outtake

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The terror leader is shown in several different outtakes from propaganda videos. In the centre image above, he is standing before a wooden armoire that U.S. intelligence says was found in the Pakistan compound

 

Officials said the clips shown to reporters were just part of the largest collection of senior terrorist materials ever collected.

 

The evidence seized during the raid also includes phone numbers and documents that officials hope will help break the back of the organization behind the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.

WHAT THE VIDEOS SHOW

 

VIDEO 1: An outtake from a propaganda video, it is said to be a complete but unreleased message to the American people.

It is dated sometime between October 9 and November 5, 2010, according to U.S. intelligence.

Bin Laden is shown sitting down, dressed in a gold robe. His grey beard is dyed black.

 

There is no audio but an official said he is condemning U.S. policy and capitalism.

 

VIDEO 2: Perhaps the most interesting of the videos. This footage shows Bin Laden, his beard grey, sitting on the dirty floor of the compound watching a television with video of his own images playing.

 

A TV screen shows a menu of channels from which he makes a selection using a remote control.

A video of the terror leader appears on the screen before the camera pans over to show Bin Laden watching himself.

He is wearing a black hat and is swathed in a blanket.

 

VIDEO 3: Another practice video shows Bin Laden, his beard dyed black, standing in front of what was described as a wooden armoire. Intelligence officials say they found the same armoire in the compound. The video has not been dated.

 

VIDEO 4: Another practice clip shows the terror chief wearing a white shirt with a T-shirt underneath. He is standing against a brown background. There is no date on the video.

 

VIDEO 5: In this practice video Bin laden is standing before a wrinkled sheet, wearing a gold robe and a white shirt. His beard is dyed. There is no date on the video.

 

 

Intelligence officials have known that Bin Laden and Al Qaeda monitored the news. But for years, when it was assumed that he was living in Pakistan's rugged, mountainous tribal region, some believed he might not be able to get real-time news.

After the CIA discovered Bin Laden's suburban compound, they realized that a satellite dish provided a television feed to Bin Laden's compound.

 

The video also reveals that Bin Laden had a computer in his home, though officials say there were no Internet or phone lines running from the house.

They emerged today as other video footage leaked to Al Jazeera showed the terror leader had been living in virtual squalor in Abottabad.

 

Strewn with rubbish and with paint peeling off the walls, the dirt-infested compound appears barely habitable and is a far cry from initial claims the compound was a sophisticated $1million hideaway.

The ramshackle structure resembles a building site and the pictures of the outside show steel rods protruding from the roof, suggesting it may have been incomplete.

Of course, some damage would have been caused during the American Navy Seal mission to capture the 9/11 mastermind, but the footage is still very revealing.

It was released today on the Al Jazeera English website and gives a shaky tour of what appears to be the inside of the main house, a few outbuildings and a small fruitless orchard.

The stash is part of a wealth of information collected during the U.S. raid that killed Bin Laden and four others last week.

 

The information suggests Bin Laden played a strong role in planning and directing attacks by Al-Qaeda and its affiliates in Yemen and Somalia, two senior officials said.

Just looking at pictures and video on BBC News from the US Department of Defence showing Bin Laden, grey beard and all flicking the channels. What's the chances he lands on babestation?

 

Osama bin channel surfing?:rolleyes:

 

Actually, I heard he was a big fan of The Simpsons. Doh!:P

:laugh3:

Hey now, don't laugh, us unitedstatesians don't know the word babestation; I was gonna ask the same thing!

But then I just took a guess. And lovely google confirmed that my guess was right.

It's classy stuff.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-13318372

Was killing bin Laden legal?

 

After receiving news that a team of US Navy Seals had shot dead Osama Bin Laden at a compound in northern Pakistan, President Barack Obama announced that justice had been done.

 

The demise of the man held responsible for mass atrocities, including the 11 September 2001 attacks, was welcomed around the world.

 

But as the US narrative of the raid has developed - and changed - since Monday's raid, there have been growing questions about whether it was legal to kill the al-Qaeda leader.

 

At one level, these questions have focused on what happened during the operation at the building in Abbottabad in which Bin Laden was found.

 

"The issue here is whether what was done was an act of legitimate self-defence," said Benjamin Ferencz, an international law specialist who served as a prosecutor during the Nuremburg trials and argued that it would have been better to capture Bin Laden and send him to court.

 

"Killing a captive who poses no immediate threat is a crime under military law as well as all other law," he told the BBC World Service.

 

Putting the case for the legality of the raid on Wednesday, US Attorney General Eric Holder said it was "conducted in a way that was consistent with our law, with our values".

 

"If he had surrendered, attempted to surrender, I think we should obviously have accepted that, but there was no indication that he wanted to do that and therefore his killing was appropriate," he told the Senate judiciary committee.

 

No blow-by-blow account of what happened in the moments before Bin Laden was shot has been settled on.

 

US officials have suggested that Bin Laden may have been reaching for a weapon, and that the Navy Seals may have suspected that people in the compound were wearing suicide belts.

 

But they have also said Bin Laden was not carrying a weapon - after initially saying he was.

 

And they have told US media that just one person in the compound shot at the special forces team, in what appears to have been a fairly one-sided confrontation.

 

Legal experts have therefore asked whether the US forces were instructed to kill, and whether Bin Laden was offered a chance to surrender.

 

Like Mr Ferencz, British law professor Philippe Sands QC says it is impossible to make a definitive legal judgement without knowing precisely what happened. But he says the case for the raid's legality has been weakened.

 

 

"The question to ask is: were the measures taken in the actual situation that pertained reasonable and proportionate given the circumstances in which the [Navy Seals] found themselves?" he told the BBC.

 

"The facts for Bin Laden don't appear to easily meet that standard."

 

On a broader level, US officials have justified Bin Laden's killing as an act committed as part of an armed conflict with al-Qaeda.

 

Mr Holder said Bin Laden's killing was "an act of national self-defence", calling the al-Qaeda leader "a lawful military target" who had acknowledged his role in the 9/11 attacks.

 

"It's lawful to target an enemy commander in the field," he said.

 

Some legal experts have backed up that position.

 

"I don't think that this is an extrajudicial killing," Philip Bobbitt, a specialist on constitutional law and international security, told the BBC's World Tonight programme. "I think this is part of an armed conflict authorised by the United Nations, authorised by both houses of Congress."

 

 

But the fact that Bin Laden was killed in a normally quiet town, in a country with which the US is not at war and says it was not given prior warning of the raid, has also raised questions.

 

"As a matter of international law, one country is not free to enter another country apparently without the authorisation of that country, and intervene, whether to kidnap or kill a national of a third state," Mr Sands said.

 

He acknowledged that under what is known as the doctrine of necessity, where there is an "overriding threat to national security", such an act might not give rise to responsibility or liability.

 

But he said the difficulty with that argument was that it comes against a background of a rise in extrajudicial killings, including through the use of drones, and that this was not a "lawful direction to be taking".

 

The logical conclusion of any idea that Bin Laden could be killed as an enemy combatant was "that anyone associated with al-Qaeda in any country in the world can be taken out, can be executed," Mr Sands said.

 

"I think it's deeply troubling if we are indeed moving to a place where you can have a global assassination policy for those who are perceived to cause trouble," he added.

 

The UN special rapporteur on extrajudicial, summary or arbitrary executions, Christof Heyns, and the special rapporteur on the promotion and protection of human rights and fundamental freedoms while countering terrorism, Martin Scheinin, have raised a similar concern.

 

"In certain exceptional cases, use of deadly force may be permissible as a measure of last resort... including in operations against terrorists," they said in statement.

 

"However, the norm should be that terrorists be dealt with as criminals, through legal processes of arrest, trial and judicially decided punishment," they added.

 

"Actions taken by states in combating terrorism, especially in high profile cases, set precedents for the way in which the right to life will be treated in future instances."

Glad to see the judicial world is taking notice of this matter, and standing up for the right of life we all deserve, and the normal law enforcement process - if Bin Laden was not a threat to the officers' lives, then they should have apprehended him. I'm in agreement with Christof Hayns - terrorists should be dealt with as one would deal with criminals in the normal legal process of warrants, arrests, trials, and judicially decided punishments if found guilty of a crime.

thanks for posting this Greg! Now, I wonder if the U.S. will face any legal repercussions for this action.

This has already been discussed at length on various talk shows. Unless you were actually there at the time, you have no idea what actually transpired.

The Seals had to put their own safety first, and for all anyone knows, they might have felt bin Laden had his finger on the trigger of a bomb or something.

With all the suicide bombings which have taken place, this would have been a perfectly reasonable concern.

In that case, if they hadn't taken him out immediately, they could have all died.

Therefore, unless conclusive video evidence is released which shows bin Laden being pinned up against a wall and then shot, I don't see how anyone can say it was an "execution".

After all, by all accounts, he was given the chance to surrender, and refused to do so.

If he had surrendered and then been shot, it would have been a different matter entirely, of course.

This has already been discussed at length on various talk shows. Unless you were actually there at the time, you have no idea what actually transpired.

The Seals had to put their own safety first, and for all anyone knows, they might have felt bin Laden had his finger on the trigger of a bomb or something.

With all the suicide bombings which have taken place, this would have been a perfectly reasonable concern.

In that case, if they hadn't taken him out immediately, they could have all died.

Therefore, unless conclusive video evidence is released which shows bin Laden being pinned up against a wall and then shot, I don't see how anyone can say it was an "execution".

After all, by all accounts, he was given the chance to surrender, and refused to do so.

If he had surrendered and then been shot, it would have been a different matter entirely, of course.

 

None of this means it shouldn't be investigated though. Particularly when it was filmed. You may indeed be correct, but there is no harm in the pursuit of the truth through legitimate means.

 

It is genuinely refreshing to see your insight though Mark. I mean that.

None of this means it shouldn't be investigated though. Particularly when it was filmed. You may indeed be correct, but there is no harm in the pursuit of the truth through legitimate means.

 

It is genuinely refreshing to see your insight though Mark. I mean that.

 

Fair enough. I have no problem with it being investigated, of course, but how on earth are you going to get an impartial investigation?

Can't see it happening.

The conspiracy theorists will still disregard any findings, just as they did with the death of Princess Di.:dozey:

Fair enough. I have no problem with it being investigated, of course, but how on earth are you going to get an impartial investigation?

Can't see it happening.

The conspiracy theorists will still disregard any findings, just as they did with the death of Princess Di.:dozey:

 

The conspiracy theorists don't matter but will always exist, even when you have conclusive proof.

 

I wonder who would carry out the investigation. America might want to carry one out, Pakistan might, is there a global war court too (forgive my ignorance)? It will be very hard indeed to get people to part with their knowledge on the matter and classified information as they'll no doubt hide it behind National Security. We'll see how it plays out.

The conspiracy theorists don't matter but will always exist, even when you have conclusive proof.

 

I wonder who would carry out the investigation. America might want to carry one out, Pakistan might, is there a global war court too (forgive my ignorance)? It will be very hard indeed to get people to part with their knowledge on the matter and classified information as they'll no doubt hide it behind National Security. We'll see how it plays out.

 

Furthermore, if bin Laden had been captured, rather than killed, how could he have ever have got what could have been considered a "fair" trial?

I don't really see what it would have achieved.:dozey:

His supporters would never have accepted a "guilty" verdict anyway, as they regard his actions as war, not terrorism.

Furthermore, if bin Laden had been captured, rather than killed, how could he have ever have got what could have been considered a "fair" trial?

I don't really see what it would have achieved.:dozey:

His supporters would never have accepted a "guilty" verdict anyway, as they regard his actions as war, not terrorism.

 

So we kill him then?

Interesting logic.