But I don't get what it has to do with what Dee wrote, is he implying that she is stupid because he is so disgusted with her opinion? I'm not saying that she is right but I just dont understand. I'm ok with someone telling me I'm an idiot for my grammar than wanting to express my opinions... thats just being a complete dick.

 

I was not responding to you, nor did I mean that Dee was by any means uneducated. I was simply expressing my gut reaction before following up with a more meaningful response, that reaction being: Life is not boring, if you're surrounded by people who are, take refuge in a book, that your worldview may be shaped, sharpened and reflected on all things around you. Everytime I find myself depressed or bored, it's generally because I've gone a few weeks without reading.

 

It's not for me to say as I could be completely wrong but I was under the impression (especially given his other post, which i felt was valid) that he simply wanted her to concentrate on other things. Literature is a much more worthwhile thing to involve oneself in than 'trying' to be something. There is so much culture to embrace yourself in that is available to people. And this is down to ideas of thought, as well as music and fashion. It is through that that most culture is born. Understanding where you are, and therefore your similarities and differences with society around you and those from the past. It is there that art generally flows from, be it a reaction against what surrounds us or drawn from influences from the art you yourself consume.

 

Maybe I read more into it than I should. Basically i think he wanted her to consume something other than simple music and fashion and take a standpoint different than 'how can I be different'.

 

this is lovely.

lame

damn there are some good writers on this forum

Interesting thread.

All good reading from Bardcock and Spieler, I don't have much to add so I don't feel the need to start quoting as, the same as I said before, I can't really fault the basis of what everyone's writing about.

 

However, I have to say it's become quite black and white, it reminds me of that thread about feminism when a poster seemed to think either you are a hard working female who gets things done, or you spend 100% of your time moaning about the world. It's the same here, have you thought of the possibility that you can both read a book AND feel a bit lost in terms of connecting with a subculture? It shouldn't be beyond the realms of possibility.

 

I don't think having a whine about today's lack of subcultures means you necessarily don't attempt to connect with anything, and it's really presumptuous to think otherwise. Nearly everything that happens in society as a whole has upsides and downsides, and hell I'd far prefer to have a world of music at my fingertips as opposed to owning 6 vinyls by the time I was 20, that's no need to completely dismiss the idea that there was some point and re-assurance in connecting with past subcultures which is lost now.

Bloody good thread.

No, this thread is boring.

heated juicy arguments and people going "damn what good writer" is a Blood y Good thread because its fucking intellectual

Hello!

 

Thank you for all the replies and I'm glad that the thread turned out to be of some interest despite the questionable writing in the OP which I'm actually very ashamed of now.

 

The thread really should've been just about the speech and a discussion of it (how the accessibility of things in the internet has done a bit of slowing down the motivation to innovate culturally). I planned to do that for a month or two but was far too lazy. And then I began to be in a really ranty/whiny/immature mood and began writing and writing and hit send.

 

Then the next morning I felt really uncomfortable because I felt like I just started making fun of many people when I really didn't mean to, and also I just felt like all those things I wrote about didn't really matter.

 

It's not all bad though, because at least I learned from a mistake. I could've kept my mouth shut and just kept on believing these crude and mean opinions from time to time. But I talked and now I've learned my lesson, and I'm all the wiser for it. So it's all good!

 

Right, so everything's boring.

No it's not. I didn't even think that at the time of writing it. It was written in a pretty sarcastic tone, but my lack of proofreading and being in the right state of mind at the time made it sound very literal.

But I'm still really passionate about being a part of what, growing up, I thought being a teenager would be: finding some sort of club or subculture to call yours and to have people in it to call friends.

Basically everyone I talk to at school are different in all their interests and passions, and it's lovely because I can expose myself to different things. I have no idea why I thought not being in a clan of people who strictly read, listened to, watched, and dressed in the exact same things would be a negative thing.

Start your own culture.

Or you can just go on with your life and do whatever makes you happy...

 

(I love how I'm arguing with myself right now.)

 

I'm just getting fed up with the fact that everything about pop culture is about looking backward. Music from the 90s pretty much sounds the same as music now, compare it to the transition from 70s to 80s, 80s to 90s etc. Surely it's not possible to just run out of ideas for musical innovation after a handful of decades?

 

The fashion is all just finding things that your parents or grandparents wore and recycling it.

Okay here's something here that's actually fairly valid. Am I fed up now? No. But it's worth a discussion isn't it?

 

I kept getting all these replies that I'm focusing too much on the present and I should educate myself on the past, and that's really not the point.

 

Of course it's not important that nobody's invented a new type of hat or something like that (despite the emotional bitchfest I had earlier), but you have to admit that it's something worth mentioning that, on the surface, it really seems like mainstream pop culture wants to just look backward instead of being inspired from the past and using that to move forward.

 

Don't care for mainstream pop culture? Hate it? Want to pretend it doesn't exist? Good for you! Doesn't mean it isn't true though, and doesn't warrant a discussion.

everyone just buys a thin, cheap, horrible synthetic version of some 80s fashion item from stores like Forever 21 and everyone looks cheap and shitty and the same. I went to Coachella a few weeks ago and I can't tell you how basic and entry-level all the girls look there, it was unbelievable, you literally couldn't tell one person apart from another, they all looked the same.

I'm sure that the average kid wore embarassingly cheap and shit clothes 20 or 30 years ago

etc etc

 

Still ashamed of writing this, again I truly apologize and thanks for bearing with me.

 

I don't understand the poll, I thought Brent was Satan already :sad:

I miss Brent!! :bigcry:

Also, broaden your music listening. There's a load of stuff out there. So many genres you will not have come across yet. Just because they have already taken place it does not mean that they are without merit.

Oh, of course they are not without merit. They are wonderful, and I love to expand my musical knowledge more and more every day.

I appear to have come off looking like I only listen to music on the radio from this year, don't read any books at all, etc., even with my skewed and immature post I'm not sure where you could have pulled this from, it's untrue! I haven't heard every type of music, learned all that there is to learn in school, nor have I read every literary classic, but I do work on it a lot and educate myself on these things every day.

 

Music and books, to use examples mentioned, are so much more exciting and make so much more sense when you understand the roots where it came from.

Your problem is on your emphasis on being different, whilst also being the same - you want something completely new, within which to start a new scene and all the lameness that comes with that.

But this is very true. I did actually believe this, even when I was in a more mature state of mind, and I did learn that this is not something that is actually necessary or important. So thank you!

The urge to look different won't impact you as much, more the urge to think and act differently will. And you'll find things you want to change in society for the best when you have the context of where we have come from and the depressing vices that motivate most people. Then that will become a far more important focus than fashion and pop music.

This is very beautifully written, you know? Thanks again.

I think this will happen, you just have to give them more time. You know, there is SO much around, so much invented already, so much cultures involved, it's hard to create something new (in terms of styles and group forming).

So Thalia is saying that the wheels are still turning, albeit slower. And it makes sense. It's nice that someone saw through all that and found the original point of the thread, hah :)

So if I were to go around in a hoop skirt and powdered wig, would it be a bad or good thing?

Neither. As shallow as I was, doing something like going around in a hoop skirt and powdered wig would still have to have some meaning behind it.

my friend once called me a hipster for wearing nike sneakers :thinking:

:juggle:

Read a Mother Fucking Book.

Aw, don't. This is just cruel.

 

I get my OP was bad. But you can set an example of being more mature than me if you want me to be more mature.

You know what I'm just exhausted from replying now, this really does take several hours. And I truly understand what everyone is saying and I agree with it. Especially Spieler, and Reilly who did get to the core of the thread better than others but I don't even really agree with it now.

 

This is just way too much for me, thank you though. Really.

Ugh you're all so clever it's boring.

Thread got even better on OP's return.

thats it im leaving coldplaying

Post/Sig.

my sig is becoming such an obvious joke like yes i know thats my intention

 

hope you're all rolling on the floor laughing

literally :nod:

 

Aw, don't. This is just cruel.

 

I get my OP was bad. But you can set an example of being more mature than me if you want me to be more mature.

 

Yeah, at one point I forgot I was responding to a person so much as an idea. Forgive me. The voice in my head was not as angry or harsh as the words I used to express it.

No worries, the "voice in my head was not as angry or harsh as the words I used to express it" could definitely apply to myself too hahaha

 

No harsh feelings; I liked your next post a lot. Thanks for the reply.

Ugh you're all so clever it's boring.

 

what to make of this...

I think sarcastic post was sarcastic.

Wrong thread.

what to make of this...

i was kidding :sad:

i was kidding :sad:

 

oh

 

:sad:

 

i'll go sit in the corner now

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

or i could fine you $1 to go to the unfunny jar :evil:

or i could fine you $1 to go to the unfunny jar :evil:

:wreck: no! not the unfunny jar!