This might just be the longest post ever written in Coldplaying history. I've got a lot to reply to.
Before I go on, I'd like to say all of your posts are very well written. Great job everyone.
Well worry not because this time I'll individually pick out the quote's, I'm good at sorting thru stuff like this :)
I'm glad your thread is doing well again. :)
I can see where you're coming from. Sure, I believe too that it weren't for Eno they would not have the sound they have today. It's a shame Coldplay had to take the poppier route instead of truly getting in depth with diverse influences which tbh Eno was for. However, I do believe that if Eno were to be brought in again they would get back on track and not do such a poppy release next time. That's why everyone is loving Eno and Hopkins. Because they aren't pop artists. If Eno and Hopkins gets in next time (which will almost definitely not happen, but we can dream) they will once again explore diverse influences, not make an even poppier album. So in my opinion, there are only things to be excited about. :D
Btw I wouldn't call MX "bombastic", maybe a tiny bit here and there, but yeah. Your argument is stronger for AHFOD though...
No, it may not be Coldplay's usual style but that's the point. We want more of a diversity of styles from Coldplay. And if we know one thing about Coldplay, it's that they do really well in nearly every music style. Yes, even the hip hop of XMTS. That song ain't my cup of tea either but it is a million light years better than any other hip hop track right now. Of course back in the day hip hop to me was actually good and songs from back then I would much much rather listen to then Coldplay's version but still. The same goes for Coldplay's version of pop. Sure, don't enjoy it? Fine. But you have got to admit it is so much better and genuine than other mainstream pop nowadays, and really AHFOD isn't typical mainstream pop, compared to other pop releases nowadays it sounds quite diverse and dare I say it artistic! (But only in the pop world. Nowhere else. Just in the pop world it sounds artistic. :wink2:) And also when they experimented with truly diverse styles they've done well, as the Viva era and the b-sides of Mylo and GS era have shown. They've proven themselves with ambient in the form of Midnight. Now I know you've said it is a Jon Hopkins piece with Chris Martin vocals over it, but still it does sound like a nice song which you have agreed with. I still think that if Coldplay did take a shot at ambient it would sound incredible. Just imagine... Ambient music in a truly Coldplay style! Which was already Midnight to an extent but if they tried to create something truly original from it and go more in depth with it I think it would sound amazing. At least to me. I know you've said here that you don't like ambient as much as other people on the forum like I do, and I could see why, you've said that a really important thing for you to like in music is that it needs a strong melody, and sometimes ambient doesn't really have that... (You've got to admit, still far superior to mainstream pop music LOL) Oh well, we've already seen Coldplay add a form of that stronger melody to ambient in the case of Midnight (OK I know, technically not Coldplay but I bet they'd still add a bit more of a melodic style to ambient if they made a truly original track themselves considering what they've done to hip hop which had virtually no melody nowadays, lol)
I'm interested in that Jon Hopkins original track. If you wouldn't mind sending me A PM with that track that would be great! Thanks in advance :)
Yes, ambient is also atmospheric and I like that. I like that Pre Parachutes songs too though but who knows if they'll every come back to that... Maybe... I'd have loved to see an album in that style dominantly too!
Also, did you just call Eno and Hopkins "big name producers"... You'd better have been referring to someone else because they're definitely not "big name"!
I know! Stargate are an awful choice for producer. The album sounds a bit too clean (but still better than mainstream pop) and I think that's because of Stargate's slick pop production. I don't think they wanted it to sound too too clean but it is a little polished off of the "sweet spot". There are quite a few instances of electronic drums where there should be organic drums as well. Like Everglow. But really a lot of the tracks in the album kind of deserve electronic drums like Birds and Hymn because the style simply fits it. Where organic drums would actually feel more out of place... Then again, Hymn could have been a more rock style song and to get rid of some of the cringeworthy lyrics as well...
Yeah that's a bummer isn't it? How they had to split up so early... Yet Radiohead is still going with Nigel which they've had since almost the beginning...
I know, but for one I was replying to someone who ignorantly thought that AHFOD was more of a Chris Martin solo project than anything. Guy was just one of the examples because after all he is more present then ever. Also, the Guy we have now is more essential to today's Coldplay than the old style Guy would have been. These dancier songs need a stronger bass line and for that Guy needed to appear in the spotlight more. So far, he's done a wonderful job and has kept up well. I liked the more subtle Guy too and don't get me wrong here, I like what Coldplay once was more than they are now and I'm not saying they need to make dance songs to be good because they definitely don't, I'm just providing the other side of the debate here. Since what is a debate without someone at least acknowledging the other point of view? That's how conversations go on, if we only said the same things it would be inedibly boring! :) Okay so back on track, I like the subtler Guy as well but his new style is so much fun too, I love hearing what he comes up with now! Again, just more of a diversity thing I suppose. If Guy had the same style forever it would get at least a bit boring after a while, would it not?
I know, and I do agree. They now are only having fun with making music and agreeing with each other, but that does lead to a generally lower quality and songs like "X Marks The Spot" being let onto the album. Because they aren't perhaps truly asking themselves what the best they could do is. Contrast this with what they once were, there may have been more arguments but you're right in saying this does get better results in the music as they've made sure that they are doing the best they can do and being harsh about it. When even the B sides were good but not let onto the album for not being the very best, it is a fact that they were once much harsher on themselves and wanted to deliver the best. But you know what? That was a lot of years of tension back then. There must have been really bad fights in the past over various things. I think for once it was time they had a little fun, and for the music to reflect that. Sure, it may not be quite as good a product as what once was but think of this new release as their celebration that they don't have to do that anymore, a sound of a band just having fun after all of these years! The last 7 albums when you look back tell a story. There was a lot of conflict involved in making the music and the music itself even reflected that. But as time went on, they became more accepting and now after they've realized that so many people love them because of the hard work they've put in they just decided to all out have some fun, without caring too much about how the end product will be received. You see what I mean? They deserve it, after the long years. In a way this album is the end of an era, not necessarily the end of the complete story but the end of a part of it, where they once had troubles but now they've earned their celebration after their hard work.
True, and once again I agree. They in part may have been pushed to make more upbeat music because that's what some wanted, not what they claimed to be "bland" or "bedwetter" music. It makes me feel for what they must have went through back in the day, with people calling you names like that, wouldn't you want to change to avoid that? It sucks it had to happen and that all some people care about is partying and crap. If they don't like it they should have just moved on to something else rather than disturb them and leave people like you here with a band that to your ears is nowhere near what they once were. (I also agree with you on the way the band acts in general. They are very nice people and aren't into any thing "bad". Their music is generally very clean as well opening it up to a much much much younger audience, like not even teen, so their parents would be more comfortable with listening to this type of music. And really this still holds true today, even though their music has drastically changed I'd say they only got nicer in the process as people. They don't fight with one another as more as described above. )
Yeah, it does seem like the people who made fun of them in the past like they way they are now, and vice versa really. You're not going to impress anyone no matter what you do though. I mean, yes some people like me love the entirety of their discography and think that the way they've changed only makes them more dynamic in terms of what you want to listen to when you feel a certain way: want a song for when you're on top of the world? They've got a song for that. Want a song reflecting the lowest times of low? They've got that to. And everything in between. I honestly think it only works out in their favor. You'll have tons of fans, of old and new works, buying their respective things they love, so that's much more than is you just stuck to one style. Then you have the fans like me that generally like it all. Coldplay have something at least for nearly everyone, whether some people realize it or not, and are very dynamic. Isn't it much better to be this way then to just keep putting the same thing out over and over again? And the counter argument here is that it's the nature of the change that is disliked, not change itself, which is true, and I do agree with that. They have managed to stay so popular for so long though, longer than really any other modern band, and that isn't easy. You've got to admit that ever since they've began they have been making hits and to this day still are. Not many bands can say that so I wouldn't say they've completely lost it even now!
I agree with you here as well. They legitimately can sell anything, your right about that. So if that's the case, why not make an artistic album? It is going to sell no matter what. And it could positively impact the music industry, and open up everyone's eyes to the fact that you don't have to make a song with a typical chords progression and "getting hoes" and that stuff. Really if Coldplay manages to pull that off I will be so proud of them for making music great again and will hail them as the best band to ever exist...
Once again, very true. Really if they didn't care what people thought of them anymore that would be better if they still wanted to make music with good artistic quality... But really, that doesn't make a whole lot of sense. The two typically go hand in hand, right. I don't think they'd care about "artistic quality" if they didn't care what other people thought of them, right? However it is possible to care what people think, but still make this type of music. You want to look cool and trendy. You want to fit in. Really that is even worse than what Coldplay thinks right now. Music like what they make now is a result of purely having fun and jamming out in the studio. Be happy and thankful it's that instead of wanting to become the biggest sell out ever and trying to be super cool and trendy and as a result acting all cocky and actually endorsing getting drunk and high to a younger teen population which is really what a lot of pop crap is nowadays. Let me ask you something, Coldplay so far in their music as poppy as it may sound hasn't endorsed any kind of young population clichés like partying and drugs and getting hot women and that stuff. (Okay, okay, yes, Hymn is a bit of an exception and I do agree is probably in part made due to a desire for money) it's still so much more genuine than anything else nowadays pretty much. You've got to think, Everything's Not Lost! They are getting older and so likely aren't looking to make dance tunes as much anymore, and I also do think that Chris Martin is not wanting to jump around as much any more as evident by their playing of older calmer songs. Sh yeah.
Yes, and for the most part I agree once again. I've said stuff about this before. Having a good time does not necessarily mean having artistic quality (although it can, see: Viva era and for me personally Mylo era). They were artistic in the past though and for them it is time to celebrate what they've done by making a good feeling oriented album and just doing whatever feels nice. Yes, they could put in more work to make something more similar to LiT ii or Glass of Water but again here it's more about pure happiness and celebration. Don't worry, as I'm sure this is marking the end of an era for Coldplay and are looking to start anew next time around. Or it at least feels like it...
Wow. That took forever and a day!!! All on mobile. So difficult even with a phone not laggy at all like mine. This post is long enough already, I do have more to reply to but this is more than enough for now. So tired. Good posts everyone.