bearcat1229

It doesn't bother me one bit that they use backing tracks. What DOES bother me is that there are certain songs that use backing tracks to that really could be played live. examples: Lovers in Japan: There are multiple guitar parts in this piece, however Jonny plays the easiest part live and backing tracks play the more complicated parts. Lost!: The organ sound really could be played by Chris, but he's too busy jumping around which I guess is his perogative. Viva La Vida: Would have been a SWEET encore if they could play that with a live Symphony. Life in Technicolor: Jonny could play the intro riff on his guitar...that would be sweet. In the end though the backing is kinda needed with the new stuff since it is so layered. Its just like watching Jon Hopkins, alot of his stuff pre-recording parts and drum loops because...well he is only one man.

It seemed like a chord/arpeggio combination...he did play some chord/riff combinations as well. He played with a piano, no MIDI instruments. It seemed like he hadn't practiced much prior to playing it.

hmmm...I don't see Joe Satriani's "If I Could Fly on there" haha. Go figure. I think this is kinda of a round about attempt to show the world that they did NOT gain direct influence from that song for Viva La Vida. Works for me.

Do you know chords? You can get by playing basic chords on that song really easily.

Never worked with Adobe Audtion 3.0. From what it looks like it is a multi-track recorder. The VSTi and MIDI are seperate functions. The best all encompassing effects and "virtual intruments" (VST is simply Steinberg's deffination of virtual intrstument) is REASON 4.0. Get this and you will never run out of fun. There are plenty of other Virtual Instruments though. Korg has many modeled syths via VST software. In fact...Wikipedia "VST" and at the bottom there are a few links to free VSTs. Now your Adobe Audition is something seperate. If you want to record your VST's you would do it with that...but the program itself doesn't produce any sound. YES you will need a controller. The size and kind you get will depend on what you want. Are you layering sounds via chords? or you gonna do some crazy polyphonic synth modeling? M-audio makes very simple basic and cheap controllers that have always had good praise. On a higher end there are models like the KONTROL49 or the Akai MPK49...these are both high end controllers that are assignable and can do quite a bit. Whatever you go with make sure you have atleast 37 keys...25 gets a little small to play. (also make sure you get one with a MIDI OUT/THRU/IN and a seperate USB conection as well). You do not need to run your POD6 through your computer. Just run MIDI out from your controller to your POD IN (or the other way around...I can never remember...). When you decide exactly what software you are going to use let me know I will try to help you configure it all. It isn't an exact science it is actually more of an "art"...haha. One last thing. What computer do you have? I have a Sony VAIO with factory soundcard. It always seemed like there was a delay from when I pushed the keys to sound being produced, even when I turned the attack to zero. Through some research I found that this is because I do not have a high end soundcard and should look into getting an ASIO soundcard, but I have not done this yet.

Haha, no, they wouldn't be cheap. Good news though is just about any keyboard (low to high level) will have this sound programmed in. The sound is basically similar to a harpsicord.

yeah...and he does it on his GT-20 which looks like a full"piano". It plays like a piano and looks like an acoustic piano but is actually a MIDI as well. Now... the MIDI on the GT-20 is very basic and can only sample a couple different sounds i.e. piano and organ, harpsicord maybe as well...for the more advanced functions he would use that blue keyboard (KORG KONTROL49).

haha...ok you get me. IT is "simple" yet "complicated". I mean this in the way that Coldplay uses it is basic, but it gets "complicated" when you look at the people like Jon Hopkins uses it. It all depends on what you want to do but if you want to do "simple" stuff like Coldplay does you might be able to find a lot cheaper controller that will do what you need. Now...If you understand synths, monophony, polyphony, digital, analog, waveforms etc...you might save up for a KONTROL49...but if all your looking for is to layer 2-3 sounds...you can get by cheaper.

Yeah...I don't know the specifics...just the controller they use because that is what I could physically see. If I had to guess they may use REASON 4.0 because it is very compatible with the KONTROL49. Their use is very basic. The KONTROL49 has 8 slider and 8 rotary encoders that can all be assigned to different functions. With MIDI...before you buy a keyboard you need to understand things such as Attack, decay, sustain, release, waveforms, and effects at minimum before you should even figure out which keyboard you will buy. I will recommend the Korg KONTROL but if you budget is tight there are probably a few models that can do a good job of what you need for less the price.

The keyboard used is a Korg KONTROL49. I have verfied this many times...and it took me about 3 months of intense research to figure it out...and even then I only came by luck. I got one myself and painted it with inverse keys...but I will admit that is kind of stupid cause I'm sure I voided the warranty. The concept is simple. It is not a musical "keyboard" at all. Instead it is a MIDI keyboard. This means that the actual keys do not produce any sound...rather they send messages to other sound modules (Sound boards, computer programs, rack units) which in turn produce the sound. The concept is somewhat complicated and takes a lot of studying to figure it all out. ( I spent a long time trying to understand it). I am not sure what programs, rack units they use but basically the MIDI concept is what allows them to layer all the sounds, strings, piano, dulcimer, choir etc.

well legally the melody has to match note for note 8-9 notes in a row to be considered plagerism. Can you transpose both melodies and tell me that both melodies match note for note through the entire progression? Cause I hear it breaking off quite a few times....

If you agree the melodies are similar (not exact) which...I also agree and you also said that the rest of the pieces sound nothing a like except for that specific progression ...then do you really think Joe should win and set the precident...because its gonna open doors...big doors...and not very many of them are good for music....

With all do respect, how can you come on this forum, sign up with a name and imagry like that and NOT expect to get bashed. Some people look at music too critically (i.e. potentially Gradaute music students who put their whole lives in to a career that will make nothing). I play in a band. Lets say that I innocently create song A that sounds like song B. You throw all your theory at me. (Now I do know a fair amount of theory, I play multiple instruments and I do get to a point what you say)...however all I am going to do is go ...huh? Dude...I wrote that myself go to hell. Its people who over-analyze everything that is going to make any artist hold back due to fear if they ever make it somewhere ...god forbid it will get accused of sounding like something I have NEVER heard before. If you think anything I have said is a low blow, well sir you are the king of low blows on this site.

Well...maybe similiar, I think as everyone has pointed out its not JUST Satriani's song that is "similar" and what I do find hard to believe is that Coldplay managed to rip off every one of those songs at once ( now THATS talent) or that Satriani didn't rip off one of those himself. Legally it is a hard case to prove. Similar doesn't count, it has to be EXACT for 8-9 notes... musically noted, same notes (probably even the same octave and the case is even more weakened by the fact it isn't the same instrument). It is also hard to prove that they listened to his music prior to writting the song. Now, do I think they had heard of him OF COURSE I do, but he is gonna need more than, oh I am well known, people should know me. He's gonna need his song on Chris's Ipod or something. One thing is for certain, if Satch wins then Coldplay, Satch, Creeky Broads (whoever the hell they are) and ALL these other bands should just get together throw all their "assets" from their songs into a big pile, play a game of poker and whoever wins wins....it's kinda rediculous actually Satch doesn't want to own up to his songs sounding similar to anyone elses, but god forbid when a well to do artists sounds like his....

if it makes any of you feel better, I just spent the last hour reading comments from members at ultimate-guitar.com, who I almost surely thought would rip Coldplay to shreds, however this was not the case. I would say 75% of the members agreed that it is a huge stretch and "if he is going to do this, all musicians should just sue everyone". A number of members even said they lost a lot of respect for Joe Satriani because of this. So just know, a lot people are siding with Coldplay, or at least think its wrong to sue.

yeah sorry I didn't actually mean for the video to get in there.... Everything thats said from "sorry guys"... on was written as an addendum to the video he posted. He said it got so bad he had to disable the comments as well.

oh and...straight from that guys Youtube video he posted this addendum to the video.... Sorry folks... I made this video far too quickly and I now realize that Joe Satriani is suing Coldplay for their song's Chorus - for swiping his 2005 song's; melody, harmony & rhythm. Go listen to the Mash-Up of both pieces pitch modified to the same key center: [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8HDUi[/ame]... Certain essential elements are what all music is based on. These elements establish the essence of a musical composition - making individual songs unique - melody, harmony, rhythm, (and to a lesser degree dynamics). This however is not what a Court of Law considers in music plagiarism trials. Satriani will more than likely face tough challenges to win his case. The 2008 Coldplay song released to the public is certainly quite a match to Satriani's piece. However, a court trial for music plagiarism is extremely complex. First, the plaintiff must show that the defendant actually, physically copied the plaintiffs work. Second, the plaintiff must show that such copying was improper because it was of elements under copyright protection. This is quite unlike the case in 1997 when the Rolling Stones were informed, (at a pre-launch party by Keith Richard's son nonetheless), they had unintentionally copied KD Lang's 1992 song, "Constant Craving," with their tune, "Anybody Seen My Baby." The Stones immediately contacted Lang and worked out a retroactive song credit. Lang agreed on song publishing royalties with the Stones since the songs were sharing the agreed 3 primary elements of musical composition. Ouside of court, this argument/lawsuit will probably all boil down to who you are a fan of. I would expect Coldplay fans might not think that the songs are too similar. And Satriani fans, (being made up of primarily guitarists & musicians), are going to be fairly pissed off that the tempo, meter, chorus melody and the bulk of the chord changes of the Coldplay song are pretty much exactly the same as the chorus of a Satriani tune composed three years ago. Don't get mad at me if this video upsets you. (Coldplay fans) I've not made a 100% decision that Coldplay copied anyone,

I will never be able to say for sure whether they did it or not...however as a MUSICIAN I know that this is happens far to easy. My point about "Diatonic theory" is that I think Coldplay probably doesnt even understand that concept, this guy has studied guitar for 25 years he knows ins and outs better than any of us will. So like droids we shake our heads up and down yes when he really isn't making that great of points. He didn't even point out the part of the song that Joe is actually upset about! Like i said before the tempo is close, but it isn't the same when the mash up is played the satriani song pulls away from the VLV progression. Do you write music Chromeboy? If you do where do you get you "influences"? I do not see why this has to come down so hard on Coldplay either, their are musicians who do a lot worse and get away with it. If 4-5 consective notes makes plagerism than god help us. I agree the riff sounds similar which is why I say they should just pay him to go away, but I honestly think Chris's ideas were his own, probably influenced by everything BUT Joe Satriani

"Only Chris Martin can answer this question, which is why I am anxiously awaiting his comments." He probably won't comment though. Some agreement will be reached and they will go their seperate ways. or lets hope so for the sake of music.

And im sure Coldplay could find some balding guitar teacher with huge glasses to point out how it really isn't similar at all...big deal I don't give this guy any credit and less credit go to these people who waste there time making these youtube videos all the time.

Chromeboy...since you fail to respond to the ones in here who might have musical knowledge at or greater than yours...Ill just post again what you didn't respond to last time. Chord progressions and diatonic theory aside, sharing the same tempo and having 4-5 notes sequentually in a verse melody does not constitute as plagerism. If it does then god help us bands who make any music, it will probably be compared to something and our hard work considered to be a "rip off". Just the other day my bass player sat down on my keyboard and told me he had an awesome song idea. He played it for me with a strings voice and I said dude...yeah...that's awesome...its pretty much exactly like the Enya song "sail away". He agreed after listening, but never ever had any INTENT to copy oar mimic the song. This lawsuit is in poor taste, and will probably do nothing more than discourage young talent from creating music.

^ yeah unfortunately I think if the boys would have just sat down with the man they could have come up with an agreement....and now the boys will probably try to sit down with him. I don't think he should feel ripped off I think Chris is just as passionate about Viva la Vida, and the two songs played out in entirety sound nothing alike. It will get settled.

Spot on

^ well all in all if they did "rip it off" they made it a hell of a lot better song, but thats just my opinion. I also love the "expert music theorists" we have in here. When it all comes down to it every musician has their influences, everyone "sounds like" someone else...otherwise they would have never been inspired in the first place. I have said earlier that everytime I am "influenced" by a certain song what comes out sounds nothing like it. Viva la Vida probably was influenced by something, whether that was Joe Satriani we will never know. For the good of music, they both need to settle it.

^ well the chord progression argument is always lame. 4-5 note melody comparision.... yeah I'll buy it as something that needs to be cleared up. Same tempo? it does seem so but the videos out there that run the songs together they do space out from each other to sound off...I would suggest that one songs tempo is about 3-4 bpm faster than the others. And come on, Joe Satriani "soft rock" feel? You would probably be shunned from a Joe Satriani forum for saying that...the songs "feel" nothing alike. The guitar riff in question is the high point of Joe's song and it's the low point of Viva la Vida....Coldplay uses strings, church bells, synth and even a faint dulcimer in their song. Like I've said before, they really should just pay him to go away, this is a huge PR nightmare. And wasp2020, if you are a true musician in a band you know how easy it is to be "influenced" by other music even if what you produce sounds NOTHING like what you were influenced by.