Tnspieler1012

I don't want to see that stupid planet anymore.

this stupid country

seriously. I watched the whole second half with my dad who never watches soccer. :sigh:

Despite the hubbub, I'll reluctantly take NE over Tebow by 13-ish in a high scoring game. Texans beat Ravens Packers beat Giants Saints beat 49ers, though I think it be much closer than people think.

Tebow threw for 316 yards, averaging 31.6 yards a throw. Can't explain that.

'Lift your skinny fists' is a masterpiece. I was also hooked on Efrim Menuck's solo album a couple months ago. [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yrte-FNbpG0]Efrim Menuck - I am no longer a motherless child - YouTube[/ame]

what self-respecting human being takes pride in that?

Its a shame they've been so low on the table this seen. The Frei-Dempsey-Ruiz spread has been the best they've had in some time. With a bit more experience and shooting confidence Kerim could be huge.

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operation suck for luck = success American sports at its finest.

We wouldn't talk long.

SIGUR ROS!!!!! Shins!! Something by Eluvium maybe! Killers too, I guess.

^ easily the coolest thing this season. Sucks that the one day I actually root for Tebow, he let's me down. With the Titans out, I'm basically rooting for a not Steelers/Patriots v. Packers super bowl. Niners, Falcons or Texans (anyone know how bad Schaub was hurt to day?) would be worth rooting for. So...go reds.

meanie pants! This just isn't true. Libertarians draw upon the same political and economic history to support their arguments as any other political faction. References to the 'founding fathers' is so rampant among American libertarians because at that point in history the country did operate in accordance with certain Lockean principles. So yes, the libertarian ideology has been implemented and empirically observed to a fair degree. But this is all tangential to my comment... My point was, just because something is your preferred option, does not make it ethically permissible or philosophically viable. It is never enough to appeal to 'preference' alone. One must justify the choice, and off the cuff, I can imagine some very wrong justifications for a worldview or an action. Result: when certain conditions are satisfied, a libertarian CAN tell you that are wrong. Which is to say, there are solid grounds on which to say that one IS wrong, apart from speculation. Side-stepping a debate on the nature of the free market, I think this is a bit unfair. Even Libertarians will concede that Keynesian economists had decent historical reasons for developing their views. You love to throw out 'just their opinion', without acknowledging that there are actual reasons underlying them. Teal. Weak analogy, because there is a fact of the matter. (My New Years resolution was to be less of a Nazi, so I won't hold it against you). *clutches heart* - Libertarians aren't in favour of ensuring equality through outside interference. Not via a violent monopolistic institution at least. But also understand that many Libertarians are strict voluntarists, and thus also encourage the development of charities and the voluntary coming together of communities and individuals to help the needy (some argue that this is as or more effective at alleviating poverty than taxation). - Libertarians believe the free market is inherently good and can only improve things. Wouldn't word it this way. More fair to say that a free market system, devoid of monopolies is better than conceivable alternatives. - Libertarians value their own brand of logic above everyone else. Logic is Logic. If you mean that libertarians prefer libertarianism to...not-libertarianism, then yes. - Libertarians ask weighted questions in attempts to convince others that they too are libertarians. :shrug: Not sure what this has to do with what they believe. - Libertarians want to get rid of public spending. Among other things, sure. - Libertarians believe coercion is always wrong. I think its possible to be a consequentialist and a libertarian, but its certainly bad. - Libertarians don't value the idea of a collective. Usually not, but as long as its a free, voluntary choice to participate in such a community. Nuttin' 'rong wit dat. - Libertarians will not empathise with difference of opinion and are in favour of only one solution to all governance problems. Wrong, you're just bigoted. :) All of those things libertarians share. I hardly see how it is wrong of me to state this. Again, I was responding to particular statements. Particularly the ones that say all libertarians, by definition, are stubborn, sophistic atheistic dicks who do not pay attention to any else's opinions, and prefer logic to faith...and stuff. -- gimmememememememememe! :p Not always, just your experience, come again. I have had at least one debate with a libertarian that was not meaningless. So suck it. because, imho, some of the things you said were incorrect. See above. (Sigh) the world we live in where a MAN!....dresses up like a BAT!... You did not deny or clarify the sentences I quoted, and I thought I gave you ample context. chill out. kk bye now.

Quote: A libertarian cannot tell you that you are wrong. It's a difference of a opinion. ??? :shrug: How else could one interpret it? Your statement referred to 'libertarians', not just Saffire. So please, own up to your impassioned monologue.

The Artist 6.8/10 Great concept, definitely worth seeing. But maybe too much along the stereotype of old silent film plots for its own good.

then you really have no place in any rational debate. Doesn't this just refute your 'what if you value faith more?' question? he really doesn't mention it at all, certainly hasn't in this thread. Libertarianism has nothing to say about 'correct' religious beliefs. The vast majority of libertarians I know are devout Christians. why should anyone? I...I just don't see the necessary dichotomy... haha, believe me that this is not limited to libertarians, you could say the same of anyone propagating any ideology. Unless you're a relativist, its only rational to choose and defend one worldview above others. The crime is not in not empathizing with other opinions, but not playing by the rules of civilized debate. You're just venting your hatred of particular individuals who have pissed you off by spouting paragraphs full of offensive generalizations. Just because there's a difference of opinion does not mean one cannot judge something to be wrong. You've spent this whole post saying that libertarianism is wrong, and you don't see jay pulling the bullshit 'it's just your opinion' card.

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right, as opposed to a much tougher draw... btdubs, man u on the bubble. 0-1 to basel atm.

such as?

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This may be the first year the thanksgiving day lions game will actually be worth watching.

he's the guy who posted right above you with the screenname 'bart'.

cute :blush: [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXtGojOe9vA&feature=topvideos_sports]Robinho and his Son - YouTube[/ame] :blank:

I never expected them to make the final, but they ended the season hot. I feel like their only realistic shot of scoring in the final is on corners and set pieces, but the MLS cup never seems to go the way people expect.