Prisonplanet | August 27 2006

 

Related: New WTC Complex Photos Highlight Bizarre Building 7 Collapse

 

The London Observer has published more photographs from photographer Joel Meyerowitz's book that show evidence of aircraft parts at ground zero on 9/11.

 

Below are all the photos from the Observer website along with previous shots showing aircraft parts.

 

These shots debunk ludicrous theories on behalf of "no planers" and 'blue screen' advocates. Claiming that no planes hit the WTC towers is damaging to the 9/11 truth movement's credibility and it is one of the first things that debunkers like Popular Mechanics seize upon when building straw man hit pieces.

 

 

October 11 2001

One month after the Towers were toppled, 1,000 rescue workers are still on site at Ground Zero. Here firemen rest on a motley collection of chairs salvaged from the site.

 

 

September 23 2001

A dramatic panorama of Ground Zero reveals a latterday Pompeii - and a Herculean challenge.

 

 

October 5 2001

Meyerowitz constrasts epic with intimate. Chairs and tables in the Winter Gardens are still coated in the all-pervading dust.

 

 

October 28 2001

Seven thousand bereaved family members attend a memorial service on Church Street seven weeks after the attack.

 

 

October 28 2001

 

 

October 28 2001

 

 

 

December 23 2001

The bronze limbs of Rodin's 'Adam' lie next to tyres and fuselage from the plane that rammed the North Tower. 'The first man hadfound himself in Armageddon,not Eden.'

The truth about wtc 7 and other 'theories'

 

http://southerncrossreview.org/41/9-11.htm

 

WTC 7 Collapse

CLAIM: Seven hours after the two towers fell, the 47-story WTC 7 collapsed. According to 911review.org: "The video clearly shows that it was not a collapse subsequent to a fire, but rather a controlled demolition: amongst the Internet investigators, the jury is in on this one."

 

FACT: Many conspiracy theorists point to FEMA's preliminary report, which said there was relatively light damage to WTC 7 prior to its collapse. With the benefit of more time and resources, NIST researchers now support the working hypothesis that WTC 7 was far more compromised by falling debris than the FEMA report indicated. "The most important thing we found was that there was, in fact, physical damage to the south face of building 7," NIST's Sunder tells PM. "On about a third of the face to the center and to the bottom--approximately 10 stories--about 25 percent of the depth of the building was scooped out." NIST also discovered previously undocumented damage to WTC 7's upper stories and its southwest corner.

 

NIST investigators believe a combination of intense fire and severe structural damage contributed to the collapse, though assigning the exact proportion requires more research. But NIST's analysis suggests the fall of WTC 7 was an example of "progressive collapse," a process in which the failure of parts of a structure ultimately creates strains that cause the entire building to come down. Videos of the fall of WTC 7 show cracks, or "kinks," in the building's facade just before the two penthouses disappeared into the structure, one after the other. The entire building fell in on itself, with the slumping east side of the structure pulling down the west side in a diagonal collapse.

 

According to NIST, there was one primary reason for the building's failure: In an unusual design, the columns near the visible kinks were carrying exceptionally large loads, roughly 2000 sq. ft. of floor area for each floor. "What our preliminary analysis has shown is that if you take out just one column on one of the lower floors," Sunder notes, "it could cause a vertical progression of collapse so that the entire section comes down."

 

There are two other possible contributing factors still under investigation: First, trusses on the fifth and seventh floors were designed to transfer loads from one set of columns to another. With columns on the south face apparently damaged, high stresses would likely have been communicated to columns on the building's other faces, thereby exceeding their load-bearing capacities.

 

Second, a fifth-floor fire burned for up to 7 hours. "There was no firefighting in WTC 7," Sunder says. Investigators believe the fire was fed by tanks of diesel fuel that many tenants used to run emergency generators. Most tanks throughout the building were fairly small, but a generator on the fifth floor was connected to a large tank in the basement via a pressurized line. Says Sunder: "Our current working hypothesis is that this pressurized line was supplying fuel [to the fire] for a long period of time."

 

WTC 7 might have withstood the physical damage it received, or the fire that burned for hours, but those combined factors--along with the building's unusual construction--were enough to set off the chain-reaction collapse.

All these theories Gareth has never stand up when people take a close look at them! hahaha he's so narrowminded

If that Alex Jones bloke wasnt so intrested in making himself rich and famous i might actually listen to him.

 

http://www.politicalhobbyist.com/debunked/alexjones.html

 

heres some of the things hes said/implied before

 

"Vaccines are killing our children--mainstream news." (Direct quote from InfoWars 12/27/01. No sources cited.)

 

SWAT team guys can't satisfy a woman. (InfoWars, 12/27/01. You never know how Alex Jones "knows" anything. Did the SWAT guys open up to Alex...or weas there some study done? Alex didn't say.)

 

Texas is run by the Masons. (Is that why Texas has the worst schools in the world?)

 

Hitler blew up the Reichstag. (Blew it up? I thought he radio-controlled some planes into it. Or was it a missile...?)

 

There's a worldwide takeover going on, perceptible only to dumb white guys...

...but everyone is waking up. (Conspiracy nuts always say "everyone is waking up." It's part of their delusional system--like their imagined ability to predict the future.)

 

and i found this on another website

 

Alex Jones can predict the future, because he goes to the SECRET WEBSITES where the New World Order tells you EVERYTHING IT'S GOING TO DO!

People get mad because we call conspiracy theorist nuts, but i mean they never have much evidence to back themselves up and are outright crazy. if they had some evidence to what they say and werent insane i'd listen to them more.

Well they do have evidence - obscure quotes from years back and scraps of circumstancal evidence that they then use to join dots and blame the goverment.

 

And they dont take into consideration common sense- for example -why would rich oil companies want to make war in Iraq when they already make billions in profit every year?

Well they do have evidence - obscure quotes from years back and scraps of circumstancal evidence that they then use to join dots and blame the goverment.

 

And they dont take into consideration common sense- for example -why would rich oil companies want to make war in Iraq when they already make billions in profit every year?

 

 

Thats another thing, these people lack common sense....

You have said so many things there that are a load of lies and are proven to be wrong. Plus all the stuff you wrote about Alex Jones is just ridiculous.

 

THe NIST Report is a joke. (I could talk about it all night because I've actually READ IT ALL)

 

AND "scraps of circumstancal evidence" is just being plain ignorant.

 

Basically....you believe one thing and I believe another. And everytime you question something you just look for a websites which attempt to discredit the claims with pointless hit-pieces.

 

Muse Frontman: 9/11 An Inside Job

 

Glasgow Mail/Billy Sloan | August 28 2006

 

MUSE have cracked America...despite singer Matt Bellamy's outspoken views on George Bush.

 

The fiery British trio have rocketed to No.9 in the US Billboard charts with their great new album, Black Holes And Revelations.

 

But Matt - whose passion for conspiracy theories has inspired their songs - has fired a broadside at wily old Dubya in The White House.

 

He said: "I'm fascinated by conspiracy theories. We're surrounded by them.

 

"Are we really supposed to believe that a man in a cave in Afghanistan managed to orchestrate the most unbelievable attack on the United States of all time?

 

"I think 9/11 was definitely an inside job done by a group of high-powered people looking for an excuse to invade the Middle East for oil and other natural resources.

 

"I think America needed another Pearl Harbor-type event in order to invade Iraq. It gave the US and UK governments the perfect excuse to go to war."

 

I caught up with the singer when Muse - Dominic Howard, Chris Wolstenholme and Matt - played a sell-out gig at Meadowbank Stadium in Edinburgh last week as part of T on the Fringe.

 

Now the group are coming back north of the border to play the SECC in Glasgow on November 7.

 

On September 4, new single Starlight is released as the follow-up to their smash hit, Super massive black hole. Muse filmed the Starlight video on a cargo ship off the coast of Los Angeles and it proved a stomachchurning experience.

 

Matt told me: "We wanted to create the idea of a band lost at sea because we see ourselves as being outside what's happening in the music scene.

 

"The first two hours on the ship were awful. We were all seasick. It would have helped if we hadn't been drinking the night before.

 

"But it was an epic feeling playing on a huge platform with the sea all around us."

 

Matt was gobsmacked when Black Holes And Revelations - the group's fourth studio album - was nominated for the Nationwide Mercury Music Prize 2006.

 

Muse have also received FIVE nominations in this year's Kerrang Awards - for best band, album, single, video and British band.

 

Matt said: "With this album we thought it was time for a change. We wanted to open some new doors.

 

"There was a danger we could have fallen into the trip of just going down the same musical path.

 

"It was a nice surprise when Black Holes went to No.1 in the UK charts. We feared the record was maybe a bit too diverse for some people.

 

"Releasing Super massive black hole as the first single was a deliberate shock tactic. It was the opposite of anything we'd done before. But we wanted to create a stir."

http://youtube.com/watch?v=KKsvuGOubhM&mode=related&search=

The fact is this Alex Jones bloke who you worship, is an attention seeker who wants the publicity to sell more books. Hes said lots of things.

 

Mr Bellamy

"I'm fascinated by conspiracy theories. We're surrounded by them.

 

"Are we really supposed to believe that a man in a cave in Afghanistan managed to orchestrate the most unbelievable attack on the United States of all time?

 

"I think 9/11 was definitely an inside job done by a group of high-powered people looking for an excuse to invade the Middle East for oil and other natural resources.

 

 

Why would why want to invade Iraq (and spend billions and billions of dollars) for oil when we have the UN food for oil program and oil resouces from the rest of the world??

 

Makes no sense.

 

Are we also really to believe that the people who did the 'inside job' are bloodthirsty, cold hearted people (who are already (really rich and powerful) were willing to let thousands of people in america and Iraq die?

 

Makes no sense - why would risk their money and power to get more?

The fact is this Alex Jones bloke who you worship, is an attention seeker who wants the publicity to sell more books. Hes said lots of things.

 

Mr Bellamy

"I'm fascinated by conspiracy theories. We're surrounded by them.

 

"Are we really supposed to believe that a man in a cave in Afghanistan managed to orchestrate the most unbelievable attack on the United States of all time?

 

"I think 9/11 was definitely an inside job done by a group of high-powered people looking for an excuse to invade the Middle East for oil and other natural resources.

 

 

Why would why want to invade Iraq (and spend billions and billions of dollars) for oil when we have the UN food for oil program and oil resouces from the rest of the world??

 

Makes no sense.

 

Are we also really to believe that the people who did the 'inside job' are bloodthirsty, cold hearted people (who are already (really rich and powerful) were willing to let thousands of people in america and Iraq die?

 

Makes no sense - why would risk their money and power to get more?

 

 

they wouldnt. they are only losing political power from the iraq war. they gain nothing from this.

 

im not saying they didnt use 911 to their advantage, of course they did just didnt do it. no evidence to prove this.

 

now its possible our goverment knew about the terrorist plan and did nothing.

Mr Bellamy

"I'm fascinated by conspiracy theories. We're surrounded by them.

 

 

:o the Mr. Bellamy??? as in.... Matthew!!!!!!! --he has this quote on his MySpace!!

Yea, its from the article he keeps posting.

You know nothing, seriously.

 

I'll ignore the rubbish you said about Alex Jones as your points are WAY off.....

 

It ALL makes perfect sense. YES these people ARE bloodthirsty, cold hearted people who want to keep everything for themselves....it's not just about NOW and the people who are perpetrating these events NOW, it's about the future and those who will be introduced into the 'elite'.....they need to look out for their future.

 

Look, the people who I (and many others) are trying to fight against do not care about human lives such as ours. We want to be free, they want us all in control and keep everything (including new technologies) for themselves.....and the UN....haha, don't get me started. OF course they have to SEEM as is they are doing decent things.....people who are keeping secrets and who are plotting to take our regions of the world can't just BE evil all the time, can they?

Yea' date=' its from the article he keeps posting.[/quote']

 

It's a different article......fuck.

 

I'm dealing with really strange people here, I can see.

:o the Mr. Bellamy??? as in.... Matthew!!!!!!! --he has this quote on his MySpace!!

 

Yes, Matt has openly stated that he's a 9/11 truth supporter and he thinks it's an inside job ......Well Done is all I can say.....it's going to help a great deal.

Washington Post Doesn't Answer Why No Bin Laden 9/11 Indictment

Whitewash piece seeks to dismiss questions about FBI most wanted page but doesn't address why embassy indictment took 3 months yet no 9/11 charge after 5 years

 

Paul Joseph Watson | August 28 2006

 

A Washington Post article today attempts to refute and dismiss questions as to why the FBI's most wanted page for Osama bin Laden includes no apportion of blame for 9/11 - yet the Post fails to answer why there has been no formal indictment of bin Laden five years after 9/11 when it only took three months to charge him with the 1998 embassy bombings.

 

A key cornerstone of the 9/11 truth movement's challenge that verifiable evidence proving the government's version of events be presented in court is the fact that bin Laden's wanted page on the FBI website contains no reference to 9/11, only charging bin Laden with involvement in the August 7, 1998, bombings of the United States Embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and Nairobi, Kenya.

 

In late September 2001, Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI Rex Tomb told Wired News, "There's going to be a considerable amount of time before anyone associated with the attacks is actually charged."

 

"To be charged with a crime, this means we have found evidence to confirm our suspicions, and a prosecutor has said we will pursue this case in court."

 

In June 2006 investigative reporter Ed Hass contacted the FBI to ask why 9/11 was not specifically mentioned on Bin Laden's wanted page on the FBI website.

 

“The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden's most wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11," he was told Rex Tomb.

 

 

Five years later and bin Laden has not been charged as having any association with the 9/11 attacks. By the FBI's own guidelines, they have found or been provided with no evidence to connect bin Laden to the events of that day. This includes the alleged "confession tape" which was miraculously 'discovered' in a house in Jalalabad by US troops and features a bin Laden doppelganger with a rotund frame and absent the real bin Laden's slender nose. According to the FBI bin Laden is left-handed, yet the tape shows him writing a note with his right hand. In Bin Laden's first interview after the 9/11 attacks he denied any involvement. This isn't like a kid caught thieving in a sweet shop - terrorists always claim responsibility for attacks they have perpetrated otherwise why bother killing people to send a political message?

 

The fact that the FBI does not consider the 'confession tape' as reliable evidence of involvement in 9/11 is completely dismissed by the Washington Post who say the tape proves that Al-Qaeda have, "proudly taken responsibility for the hijackings."

 

In July 2006, the New York Times reported that a CIA counterterror unit named Alec Station, a 10-year old subdivision tasked with finding bin Laden, had been closed down. In addition, former CIA director Buzzy Krongard told the London Times that bin Laden should stay free and it was better off for the world for him to remain at large.

 

On two separate occasions President Bush has publicly stated that he is no longer interested in catching bin Laden.

 

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The Washington Post article is clearly an attempt to whitewash and dismiss further investigation into why there has been no formal indictment implicating bin Laden in the 9/11 attacks. At no point in the piece does the Post's senior journalist Dan Eggen address the question of why there has been no formal indictment - only stating that "Future indictments may be handed down as various investigations proceed in connection to other terrorist incidents, for example, the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001."

 

The embassy bombings occurred on August 7th 1998 and bin Laden was indicted for them on November 4th of the same year - less than three months after the attack. Yet we are approaching five years since 9/11 and no indictment has taken place nor has any formal court hearing been scheduled or even considered.

 

The Washington Post whitewash fails to answer the question of why there has been no formal indictment.

 

The reason that there has been no indictment in the five years since the attack and why there will never be one is because the evidence connecting nineteen incompetent pilots acting at the behest of an ailing Sheik hobbling between a cave and a kidney dialysis machine with the most infamous terror attack in history is non-existent. Any further high-profile inquiry into what happened on 9/11, even if it is a cover-up job appointed by Bush like the 9/11 Commission, will only turn up more bizarre inconsistencies which render the official story impossible.

 

The criminals wish for no further scrutiny of their act of mass murder and the current counter-attack against the 9/11 truth movement being run through their propaganda organs like Popular Mechanics and the Washington Post is part of that resistance.

Sorry but your theories fall down at the first hurdle.

 

Think about it

 

Why? Why spend billions to make billions when you already have billions?

How could a bloodthirsty, evil person on par with messars Hitler and Stalin rise so far up the ranks of the powers that be? especially in todays soecity

 

i dont know about you but i faith in people.

 

 

And this statement makes you sound like a nut

 

Look, the people who I (and many others) are trying to fight against do not care about human lives such as ours. We want to be free, they want us all in control and keep everything (including new technologies) for themselves.....and the UN....haha, don't get me started. OF course they have to SEEM as is they are doing decent things.....people who are keeping secrets and who are plotting to take our regions of the world can't just BE evil all the time, can they?

 

i know your not, you seem like an intresting bloke but if someone was to come in here for the first time thats what they'd think.

 

Why do you constantly never believe/acknowledge other people.

 

Youve posted alot of stuff from prisonplanet.com and presented it as fact when its been proven that site is anti america and pro conspiracy.

 

Lots of other people have posted a range of souces on here debunking your theory and yet you utterly dismiss them as lies - Reuters, BBC etc.

 

Why are you so desperate to believe this? Whats missing from your life that makes you want to believe this so much? Someones taken advantage of you and brainwashed you. Either that or your just wanting to show off to people about how clever you are.

Of course it makes be sound like a 'nut' because this is the exact type of talk which alot of people have been told is "nuts"....when infact it's not.

 

Look, this stuff is PRO America......not the sorry state that it's in today but the America of old, old, old.....sticking up for the rights of the people and their constitution - which IS actually being torn apart.

 

And this so-called 'debunking' of the info I've been posting is madness....honestly, if you have read everything like I have (all the US reports, everything) then you can see how the "debunking" is very poorly done...

BUT again, how many other people do you know who have read through hundreds and hundreds of US government and NIST, FEMA reports??.....not many, if any AT ALL....

 

And look friend, now this is serious - there's NOTHING missing from my life, nobody has brainwashed me and I most certainly haven't been taken advantage of..... It's actually is quite odd to hear that someone might have that opinion of me although I do obviously know this info isn't the norm....but I have to laugh it off.....I'm really a very healthy minded person but I have put alot of time into reading official reports and have came to the conclusion that we have been lied to - over and over again. I kinda bought a lot of the official story a long time ago - but I certainly DO NOT now.

 

I believe that 9/11 was an inside job, sure - BUT I was the person who made that descision for myself, nobody else....I didn't even know who Alex Jones was until about 18 months ago. It just so happens that I stumbled upon him and he is someone who I hold shared take on the events of that day, as do many, many others (the 9/11 truth movement) - which again is something I found out about a long, long time after the events of that day.

 

And, yes, I must say that I am urgently trying to spread the word whenever I have time. I don't get that much time because I am busy writing music/scores most of my days - so spending 30mins to an Hour a day posting in various places and trying to correct the big news websites doesn't seem bad or crazy to me.

 

Hey, I just think this, aswell as many other topics, are very important. And I feel no shame in standing up for what I strongly believe to be true....People can say what they want against it but listen, on a very real level the info I have posted has a very strong standing and the government know it. People can call us names, get articles printed which say we are all wrong, have books written which lie about what we think, make TV shows, anything.....but it doesn't change that we have a great case and, as I've said, of course we are going to be called every name possible to try to discredit the movement but I expect that.....it's all expected.....if there weren't attempts to call us crazy then I would know something was wrong with the info we pass around.

 

I don't know what else to say.....just remember that I'm telling you I am a stright up, down to earth person who has really informed themself on this. I'm not a 'nut' and hopefully will never be one.......and your in London too.....so remember I could always meet you and prove my sanity...ha, - if I ever so desired......but I doubt I need to do that just yet...haha.......I don't wan't people to use the 'crazy' name calling angle when it comes to September 11th as it really doesn't show a person in good light. The questions are all real, everything isn't wild accusations or crazy theories....it's truely quite the opposite.....and I really mean that.

 

Ok, right...

 

I'm off to play some Pro Evo 5....:)

I wonder whatever happened to the search for Bin Laden.... suddenly he isn't so important anymore or what?> lol

Dunno, theres been all sorts of rumours. Some say hes dead, some sayhes dying, others say hes hiding in Canada. No-one seems to know.

 

Besides i hope sorting out the mess in Iraq is higher up on the agenda.

Yeah, there's alot of wonder about his fate.....

 

I actually think he's kicked the bucket.....and a long time ago.

What do you think happened to him?

Well, there were loads of talk about him being very ill......many people have said he had very bad kidneys.

 

I think it was bad health, kidney failure.

Yea i heard about that a few years back. It was suggusted without treatment he had a year to live.