GazeboflossUK Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 :)I'M HOPING FOR LOTS OF PEOPLE TO VOTE ON THIS ONE SO PLEASE DO:) The event's of 9/11/2001 were a self inflicted wound, an inside job by the government which was used to rally public support for a "war against terror" in middle eastern sovereign nations?? ....or do you believe to the "official" report as claimed by the Bush administration? I am not someone who believes in the Yeti, Bigfoot, Aliens and similar tales - you've got the wrong guy for that. Such legends & tales are used by certain people to set up 'Straw Man' arguments because they really can't fight against this on the facts, dispite what they will say. This 9/11 stuff is very important....we've caught the government with their pants down here....there's blood on their hands...and I know lot's of people who don't want this to be true call people like me 'crazy, whacky theorists who have no common sense and are shifting the blame'..... ......and that is just complete crap, complete blindness and an unwillingness to actually do anything about this truly serious situation that is just going to get worse and worse over the next few years. This current US President made it his number one goal after the events of that awful day to tell people "Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September the 11th; malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away from the terrorists"......and too many people have taken that command and now don't even care that their government is starting to take away their basic freedoms and rights.......I'm just absolutley petrified that when the next "fake attack" on the U.S or their interests occurs....people will buy it...hook line and sinker.....and gladly hand 'complete' control over to a leader (whoever it is) who will BE the law....who will be able to DO or SAY anything and cover it all in a wash of "It's to protect the lives and values of the American people". You hear this phrase from government all the time right? I know.....getting away with, quite literally, murder. That's a dictatorship building right there...and we can't let these evil money men hold us to ransom all longer because they WILL take the world from us completely. The truth is scary and offensive to some but it must be addressed. If you haven't read the information that points a big fat finger towards a major government cover-up then please look towards the links below and read about the events in a way that has never been fairly covered by the corporate mainstream media and is often said to be proved wrong.....they wish they could prove it wrong.....they can only get away with their lies for so long. More people are putting all the pieces together and realising that the 'offical' story is impossible. Poll figures (covered in many polls throughout this thread) show that more than 80% of people do not believe the governments version of events. MORE THAN 80%!!! That was a scientific poll too from Oct 2006. So, again....please read as much info as you can. A prediction of the attack 2 months before 9/11 ***An Amazing 9/11 Timeline by Phil Thompson HERE For loads of documented info in one of these huge investigation archives... ***READ - 9/11 Info Archive ***READ - http://911research.wtc7.net/ ***READ - OPERATION NORTHWOODS - A 1962 GOVERNMENT 'PLAN' TO CARRY OUT FAKE TERROR ATTACKS (Including Use of Hijacked planes) ***READ - NORTHWOODS document in PDF HERE ***READ - PNAC's Rebuilding Americas Defenses in PDF form. The Project For A New American Century document written by leading members of the Bush Administration BEFORE they came to power. It outlines the need for a massive Pearl Harbor type event to justify war in Iraq, the Middle East and total domination of the world. Read it HERE ***WATCH - Alex Jones warns about the attacks before they happen ***Important Historical Events previous to 9/11... ***LOTS OF RESEARCH SITES!! ***Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Collapse? - A very good paper on this issue to read (PDF) ***9/11 Mysteries - Part 1 - Controlled Demolition (The RECUT) http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-8129564295534231536&q=911+Mysteries This is an amazing video. ***Martial Law Extract WMV VERSION (QUICKTIME VERSION) ***World Trade 1 & 2 Center Demolished. (WMV Clip from 'LOOSE CHANGE' Documentry) ***Original news and amature Footage from the day.... Link to pictures that compare actual building collapse to controlled demolition ***http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2005/060705compareandcontrast.htm Transportation Secretary on 9/11 Norman Mineta tells the truth. By the way, this was cut on TV and omitted from the 9/11 Commission Report http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDfdOwt2v3Y 9/11: Press For Truth Fantastic documentary angled from the viewpoint of victims families as they struggle against lies and deceit from the Bush Administration. It does a great job of showing how really scarily obvious their cover-up is if you just pay some God Damn attention. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3979568779414136481&q=9%2F11%3A+Press+For+Truth **Also, take nothing here at face value. Research this information yourselves and come to your own conclusions :)** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie2789 Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 wow you've done alot of research to back up your arguments. i've read a fair bit of the links you've put up, and it's managed to keep me distracted from my exams i should have been writing notes for... you seem to be convincing me. the evidence leaves me no room to think "maybe it did actually happen as a result of terrorists". i need to re-watch the clips though, the last time i saw them was in 2001 or so on tv. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matter-Eater Lad Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 Def not self inflicted wound... http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazeboflossUK Posted April 8, 2006 Author Share Posted April 8, 2006 wow you've done alot of research to back up your arguments. i've read a fair bit of the links you've put up, and it's managed to keep me distracted from my exams i should have been writing notes for... you seem to be convincing me. the evidence leaves me no room to think "maybe it did actually happen as a result of terrorists". i need to re-watch the clips though, the last time i saw them was in 2001 or so on tv. Yeah, watch and read :) It's really worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beckhamcrosses Posted April 8, 2006 Share Posted April 8, 2006 Def not self inflicted wound... http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=1 The Hearst-owned Popular Mechanics magazine takes aim at the 9/11 Truth Movement (without ever acknowledging it by that name) with a cover story in its March 2005 edition. Sandwiched between ads and features for monster trucks, NASCAR paraphernalia, and off-road racing are twelve dense and brilliantly designed pages purporting to debunk the myths of 9/11. The article's approach is to identify and attack a series of claims which it asserts represent the whole of 9/11 skepticism. It gives the false impression that these claims, several of which are clearly absurd, represent the breadth of challenges to the official account of the flights, the World Trade Center attack, and the Pentagon attack. Meanwhile it entirely ignores vast bodies of evidence showing that only insiders had the means, motive, and opportunity to carry out the attack. The article gives no hint of the put options on the targeted airlines, warnings received by government and corporate officials, complicit behavior by top officials, obstruction of justice by a much larger group, or obvious frauds in the official story. Instead it attacks a mere 16 claims of its choosing, which it asserts are the "most prevalent" among "conspiracy theorists." The claims are grouped into topics which cover some of the subjects central to the analysis of 9-11 Research. However, for each topic, the article presents specious claims to divert the reader from understanding the issue. For example, the three pages devoted to attacking the Twin Towers' demolition present three red-herring claims and avoid the dozens of points I feature in my presentations, such as the Twin Towers' Demolition. The article brackets its distortion of the issues highlighted by 9/11 skeptics with smears against the skeptics themselves, whom it dehumanizes and accuses of "disgracing the memories" of the victims. More important, it misrepresents skeptics' views by implying that the skeptics' community is an undifferentiated "army" that wholly embraces the article's sixteen "poisonous claims," which it asserts are "at the root of virtually every 9/11 alternative scenario." In fact much of the 9/11 truth community has been working to expose many of these claims as disinformation. http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/pm/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gentleparachute Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 So, do you think that the event's of 9/11/2001 were a self inflicted wound, an inside job by the government which was used to rally public support for a "war against terror" in middle eastern sovereign nations?? ...or do you believe to the "official" report as claimed by the Bush administration? I seriously hope (to whoever's or whatever's up there) that there was no internal conspiracy, no cover-up... that the events of 9/11 were not self-inflicted. I would find it very hard to accept that a western government / organisation would knowingly and deliberately allow the loss of 3,000 lives on its own soil just for the sake of pinning the blame elsewhere and getting public support to start a war. However if I did have to come up with a conspiracy theory, it'd be the Bush government using this crime against humanity to distract the American public from how incompetent he (and the administration he leads) really is rather than as a direct excuse to invade the Middle East per se. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busybeeburns Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 When I voted yes I took oil gains into the reckoning. Yes Yes Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
an_cat Posted April 9, 2006 Share Posted April 9, 2006 I can't vote in this until there is a middle ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazeboflossUK Posted April 9, 2006 Author Share Posted April 9, 2006 the middle ground is the scary part....it'll be why nothing gets done and we will end up with a dictatorship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gentleparachute Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 the middle ground is the scary part....it'll be why nothing gets done and we will end up with a dictatorship. ^^ That's bureaucracy my friend, loads and loads of it. While others call that negotiating :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazeboflossUK Posted April 10, 2006 Author Share Posted April 10, 2006 yup, the 'left' and the 'right' in the U.S is like fighting with your cousins - You say things to hurt them but at the end of the day, you still love each other (and will go golfing with them) haha and actually - it was quite literally cousins fighting in the last election. :rolleyes: So everybody needs to get onto the side of "The People". The faster more people realize this then the better for everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazeboflossUK Posted April 12, 2006 Author Share Posted April 12, 2006 *Shameless Bump* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonnie2789 Posted April 13, 2006 Share Posted April 13, 2006 i'm watching the loose change documentary. i've seen the first half an hour so far, all regarding the pentagon. it's so full on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazeboflossUK Posted April 13, 2006 Author Share Posted April 13, 2006 Great. Yeah...it is full on... It introduces some evidence about Flight 93 that I didn't think of too. ...but I think there are some other documentries which show even more reasons to be worried... 9/11: Martial Law - The Rise of The Police State (Very Good) 9/11: The Road to Tyranny (older than the above one but still really worth it) Both of these are by Alex Jones and then reason I like them is because they always link the presented information to news articles and video footage. Anyway...you can probably watch them on google video too. (http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Alex+Jones) oh and Alex Jones warns about the attacks before they happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Posted April 14, 2006 Share Posted April 14, 2006 Def not self inflicted wound... http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=1 I voted no and decided to checj out that site so I could say I had some evidence to support me. I got distracted by the add on the side: :sick: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazeboflossUK Posted April 14, 2006 Author Share Posted April 14, 2006 ^ ok, but that website is been proved to be inaccurate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazeboflossUK Posted April 19, 2006 Author Share Posted April 19, 2006 Some more facts EDIT - Link deleted (dead) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandon313 Posted April 19, 2006 Share Posted April 19, 2006 i will not vote because this poll is bogus, its either EXTREMELY one way or EXTREMELY another. i dont think bush fucked our country on purpose, i think he deffinately did, but he didnt coordinate these attacks, HAVE YOU SEEN HOW THIS GOVERNMENT RUNS ITSELF??? to you HONESTLY think that they would be smart enough to pull this off? i dont think so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazeboflossUK Posted April 19, 2006 Author Share Posted April 19, 2006 It's not Bush. He's not in control. He's a puppet. Cheney, he's the closest we publically see to someone with alot of power...but there are others who we don't see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazeboflossUK Posted April 21, 2006 Author Share Posted April 21, 2006 i will not vote because this poll is bogus' date=' its either EXTREMELY one way or EXTREMELY another. i dont think bush fucked our country on purpose, i think he deffinately did, but he didnt coordinate these attacks, HAVE YOU SEEN HOW THIS GOVERNMENT RUNS ITSELF??? to you HONESTLY think that they would be smart enough to pull this off? i dont think so[/quote'] So go and watch and read everything you can and you WILL see how and why they carried it out. The plans to do such events with planes have existed since the 1960's. I've posted links that have it....but search google for Operation Northwoods. here's a wikipedia link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazeboflossUK Posted April 21, 2006 Author Share Posted April 21, 2006 Former German Minister Says Building 7 Used To Run 9/11 Attack Guide the planes in, then destroy the crime scene Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones/Prison Planet.com | April 21 2006 Former Helmut Schmidt cabinet member, 25-year German Parliamentarian and global intelligence expert Andreas Von Bülow says that the 9/11 attack was run by the highest levels of the US intelligence apparatus using WTC Building 7 as a command bunker which was later demolished in order to destroy the crime scene. Speaking to The Alex Jones Show on the GCN Radio Network, Von Bülow said that "the official story is so wrong, it must be an inside job." Von Bülow discussed the special software programs that allow the CIA to track suspicious stock market movements in real time. Record put options placed on United and American Airlines in the week before 9/11, a speculation that the stock would crash, clearly indicated inside foreknowledge of the impending attack. "If the stock market has very strange movements immediately they take care of this and they had a lot of tapes and the lawyers told the people destroy these tapes." "The Bush administration is in a deep defensive [mode] and probably they would like to come out with a new offensive," said Von Bülow as he considered whether a new staged false flag terror attack could be launched to further an interventionist agenda. "I would hope that one 'new Pearl Harbor' is enough," said Von Bülow, "but I cannot be sure." Von Bülow commented on the disputed identities of the named hijackers. "The names of these nineteen [hijackers] never came up in the official passenger list, until now there's no proof they were on the planes." Von Bülow also pointed out how the alleged hijacker's flight instructors told investigators that they couldn't even fly Cessna's, never mind complex large commercial airliners. Von Bülow also touched upon the implausible collapse of the buildings. "The towers came down in the velocity of free fall which is totally impossible, they fall down in 8, 9, or 10 seconds, the pancake theory is ridiculous," he said. Von Bülow also highlighted the fact that there were 67 successful intercepts of errant aircraft in the year of 2001 before 9/11 and yet four planes were allowed to veer wildly off course without any being intercepted on that one day. Rudolph Giuliani opened a $13 million emergency Command Center (pictured) on the 23rd floor of World Trade Center Building 7 in June 1999 in part to respond to and manage terrorist attacks. Von Bülow referenced the command bunker in Building 7, calling it the "optimal place" to run the attacks using remote control technology to guide the planes in and then destroying the crime scene by imploding the building. "There were two procedures, one was flying in the aircraft the second was the explosions," he said. When asked precisely which parties carried out the attack Von Bülow said it must have been a "very small group" within the CIA with the help of Saudi Arabian and Pakistani secret service intelligence. Von Bülow outlined his view that one reason for the execution of 9/11 was to provide the justification for US military bases in the near and Middle East to be built in anticipation for a future confrontation with China, whom the Neo-Cons believe have grown too powerful and need to have their geopolitical wings clipped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matter-Eater Lad Posted April 21, 2006 Share Posted April 21, 2006 "Former Helmut Schmidt cabinet member, 25-year German Parliamentarian and global intelligence expert Andreas Von Bülow says that the 9/11 attack was run by the highest levels of the US intelligence apparatus using WTC Building 7 as a command bunker which was later demolished in order to destroy the crime scene." yes because he know all about top secret govemrent projects.....hahahaha wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twistedlogic149 Posted May 1, 2006 Share Posted May 1, 2006 9/11 = Government Conspiracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazeboflossUK Posted May 2, 2006 Author Share Posted May 2, 2006 Yeah, no kidding :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matter-Eater Lad Posted May 18, 2006 Share Posted May 18, 2006 Funny stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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