an angel Posted September 14, 2009 Share Posted September 14, 2009 I know the government will never be perfect, but we have to have some sort of leadership in this country. What makes you think anarchy would work? How would we defend ourselves if we're attacked? I mean, who would be making the decisions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazeboflossUK Posted September 16, 2009 Author Share Posted September 16, 2009 I'm going to use my 3,000th to direct peoples' attention to this video (all of my posts are of the same high quality & caliber as far as I'm concerned): YouTube - Charlie Sheen's Video Message to President Obama Again, I'm not suggesting it's the truth, but it definitely raises serious doubts in my mind. Yeah, Charlie Sheen is brilliant and I am so happy he is back, asking the big questions again. The media reaction should tell you that something is up as they don't even address his questions and just attack him on non related stuff - or call him an idiot. Now, I assume most people can see past the media spin??? I hope so as this is an exciting time to be on the right side of history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saffire Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 Anyone who doubts the US government could be capable of anything as dastardly as 9/11, please read about Operation Northwoods: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods It will really open your eyes to what the psychopaths in the military are capable of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazeboflossUK Posted September 20, 2009 Author Share Posted September 20, 2009 Ex Italian President; CIA And Mossad Ran 9-11  Former Italian President Francesco Cossiga, who revealed the existence of Operation Gladio, has told Italy's oldest and most widely read newspaper that the 9/11 terrorist attacks were run by the CIA and Mossad, and that this was common knowledge among global intelligence agencies. In what translates awkwardly into English, Cossiga told the newspaper Corriere della Sera: "All the [intelligence services] of America and Europe know well that the disastrous attack has been planned and realized from the Mossad, with the aid of the Zionist world in order to put under accusation the Arabic countries and in order to induce the western powers to take part in Iraq [and] Afghanistan." Cossiga was elected president of the Italian Senate in July 1983 before winning a landslide election to become president of the country in 1985, and he remained until 1992. Cossiga's tendency to be outspoken upset the Italian political establishment, and he was forced to resign after revealing the existence of, and his part in setting up, Operation Gladio. This was a rogue intelligence network under NATO auspices that carried out bombings across Europe in the 1960s, 1970s and '80s. Gladio's specialty was to carry out what they termed "false flag" operations-terror attacks that were blamed on their domestic and geopolitical opposition. In March 2001, Gladio agent Vincenzo Vinciguerra stated, in sworn testimony, "You had to attack civilians, the people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple: to force the public to turn to the state to ask for greater security." Cossiga first expressed his doubts about 9-11 in 2001, and is quoted by 9-11 researcher Webster Tarpley saying "The mastermind of the attack must have been a sophisticated mind, provided with ample means not only to recruit fanatic kamikazes, but also highly specialized personnel. I add one thing: it could not be accomplished without infiltrations in the radar and flight security personnel."  Coming from a widely respected former head of state, Cossiga's assertion that the 9-11 attacks were an inside job and that this is common knowledge among global intelligence agencies is illuminating. It is one more eye-opening confirmation that has not been mentioned by America's propaganda machine in print or on TV. Nevertheless, because of his experience and status in the world, Cossiga cannot be discounted as a crackpot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazeboflossUK Posted September 20, 2009 Author Share Posted September 20, 2009 The Operation Northwoods document, if anything, is a clear example that people at the top end of government do think about such scenarios in a serious manner. I have a full copy of the actual document myself and it's an interesting read. Many other declassified, publicly available documents have also showed that "false flag" or staged events have been carried out before. The Gulf of Tonkin Incident is just one example where most mainline people accept that their government lied about an attack. On the night of February 27, 1933 the Reichstag building was set on fire. At the urging of Hitler, Hindenburg responded the next day by issuing an emergency decree "for the Protection of the people and the State," which stated: "Restrictions on personal liberty, on the right of free expression of opinion, including freedom of the press; on the rights of assembly and association; and violations of the privacy of postal, telegraphic and telephonic communications and warrants for house searches, orders for confiscations as well as restrictions on property, are also permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed." Inside the building, a thorough search conducted by the police resulted in the finding of a naked Marinus van der Lubbe. Van der Lubbe was a Dutch insurrectionist, council communist and unemployed bricklayer who had recently arrived in Germany, ostensibly to carry out his political activities. The fire was used as evidence by the Nazis that the Communists were beginning a plot against the German government. Van der Lubbe was beheaded but recently he was ruled not to have been the likely arsonist. Other widely known false flag events... During the Italianstrategy of tensionin which several bombings in the 1970s, attributed to far-left organizations, were in fact carried out by far-right organizations cooperating with the Italian secret services (see Operation Gladio, 1969 Piazza Fontanabombing, 1972 Peteano attack by Vincenzo Vinciguerra, 1973 assassination attempt of former Interior Minister Mariano Rumor, 1980 Bologna massacre, etc. and various investigations, for example by Guido Salvini). In France, the Masada Action and Defense Movement, supposedly a Zionist group, was really a neo-fascist terrorist group which hoped to increase tension between Arabs and Jews in France. So, governments have always created the PROBLEM so that we have a REACTION and they give us the SOLUTION - and most people fall for it. This doesn't prove that some criminal element within the US and around the world were responsible (even though other evidence suggests they likely were) but it does negate the argument that "the government would never lie about something that big and kill its own people like that".....because that have and they will do it again. And we are all being distracted from the issue - by rusbbish TV and insignificant celebrity news. The Roman ruling elite staged huge, free circus events to distract their people from the fact that they were literally starving....we have a media circus that lies, reports on Britney Spears and Michael Jackson (RIP), all while a bunch of murderous bunch of criminals slowly ruin our lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dfit00 Posted September 20, 2009 Share Posted September 20, 2009 There is some speculation still claiming that Atta is alive and seen in the Middle East several times, this thing was all made up by the government and it will continue to be a mystery until someone finds the complete truth at its best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GazeboflossUK Posted September 20, 2009 Author Share Posted September 20, 2009 Satam al Suqami, Wail and Waleed al Shehri (two brothers) Both Alive, Abdul Aziz al Omari Alive, Fayez Banihammad (from the UAE), Ahmed al Ghamdi, Hamza al Ghamdi, Mohand al Shehri Alive, Saeed al Ghamdi Alive, Ahmad al Haznawi, Ahmed al Nami Alive, Majed Moqed, and Salem al Hazmi Alive (the brother of Nawaf al Hazmi). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busybeeburns Posted April 27, 2013 Share Posted April 27, 2013 'Part of 9/11 plane landing gear' found in New York The 5ft piece of metal was found wedged between two buildings 'Part of 9/11 plane landing gear' found in New York New York police say what appears to be part of the landing gear of one of jets flown into the World Trade Center on 11 September 2001 has been found. The 5ft (1.52m) piece of metal, which bears a Boeing label and serial number, was wedged between two New York City buildings, police said. It was found on Wednesday by surveyors inspecting a lower Manhattan building. Nearly 3,000 people died in the terror attacks as planes were brought down in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania. Five suspected al-Qaeda militants are awaiting trial for the attacks at a military tribunal at the US detention facility in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. "It's a manifestation of a horrific terrorist act a block and a half away from where we stand," New York Police Commissioner Ray Kelly told reporters outside the secured site. "It brings back terrible memories to anyone who was here, who was involved in that event." The piece was found in a narrow, rubbish-filled space 18in (0.45m) wide. Mr Kelly told reporters after inspecting it that a length of rope was looped around the piece of steel and that no marks were visible on the walls overhead.  What appears to be the remains of a broken pulley can be seen with the wreckage and the New York Times reports that Mr Kelly did not completely exclude the idea that the aircraft debris may have been lowered into the gap.  The New York Police Department has secured the area behind 51 Park Place and 50 Murray Street as a crime scene. The location is at the site where a mosque and community centre has been proposed, three streets away from "Ground Zero" - the site of the twin towers. Police have taken photographs and are keeping it off-limits until a health assessment has been made by the medical examiner's office. Mr Kelly said investigators will scour the space for possible human remains. He said the landing gear was found at about 11:00 local time (15:00 GMT) on Wednesday by surveyors hired by the owner of 51 Park Place. At 08:46 on 11 September 2001, American Airlines flight 11 hit the World Trade Center's north tower. Seventeen minutes later, United flight 175 hit the south tower. Although rubble from the attack was cleared in 2002, other debris has been found scattered across the area in the years since.  Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is accused of masterminding the attacks while the other four men being held at Guantanamo Bay are implicated for providing support for the co-ordinated hijacking. They are charged with conspiring with al-Qaeda, terrorism, and one count of murder for each known victim of the 11 September attacks at the time the charges were filed - 2,976 in total. The five face a possible death sentence if convicted. Analysts suggest a full exploration of the site may require some demolition work on the two buildings http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22319253 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matter-Eater Lad Posted May 16, 2013 Share Posted May 16, 2013 I forgot about this thread. Oh my. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tash Posted May 17, 2013 Share Posted May 17, 2013 What's more funny, the crazy theories or Nick's old username? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matter-Eater Lad Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Clever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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