Maldini Posted August 31, 2006 Share Posted August 31, 2006 Holocaust denial These points dedicate for who belive in Holocaust 1- The figure of 5-6 million Jewish deaths is an exaggeration ... The Jews who was lived in Europe before the World War ll 6.5 million,it's mean almost of the Jews died after the Holocaust [ that if it happened indeed ] ... Between 1933 , 1945 0,5 million Jews immigrated to Britain,Sweden,Spain,Palestine,India,China,USA and Australia.In 1939 400,000 Jews immigrated from Germany which was 600,000 Jews live in it.480,000 Jews immigrated to Austria and Czechoslovakia,more than 2 million Jews immigrated to USSR It's mean that there less than 2 million Jews live in countries which Germany occupied it.Many people insist in that the Jews who jailed in Germany didn't go over 20,000 ...There was 16.5 million all over the world and after 10 years they became 18.0 million [ if we said the there was 6 million people died in the Holocaust,so the 10 million who lived can't be 18,5 million in ten years 2- There wasn't any official docments mention about the Holocaust operation, ...Nazis did not use cremation ovens to dispose of extermination victims. The amount of energy required to fire the ovens far exceeded what the energy-strapped nation could spare in wartime. The cremation ovens that existed would have been too small for this purpose and the reason there were cremation ovens at all was they were put in to provide cremation services for the deaths from natural causes and disease epidemics that could reasonably be expected in a high-density work camp. ...Many photos and much of the film footage shown after world war ll was specially manufactured as propaganda against the Nazis by the Allied forces. For example, one film, shown to Germans after the war, of supposed Holocaust victims were in fact German civilians being treated after Allied bombing of Dresden. Pictures we commonly see show victims of starvation and Typhus , not of gassing ...There is an American, British or Jewish conspiracy to make Jews look like victims and to demonize Germans. Also, it was in the Soviet interest to propagate wild stories about Germany in order to frighten related nations into accepting Soviet rule. The amount of money pumped into Israel and reparations from Germany alone would give Israel a strong incentive to maintain this conspiracy. ...The overwhelming number of academics and historians are too afraid actually to admit that the Holocaust was a ficition they know they will lose their jobs if they speak up. ...Claims of what the Nazis supposedly did to the Jews were all intended to facilitate the Allies in their intention to enable the creation of a Jewish homeland in Palestine and are currently used to garner support for the policies of the state of Israel especially in its dealings with the Palestinians. People who denied the Holocaust and punished for that 1-James Keegstra In 1984, James Keegstra a Canadian high-school teacher was charged with denying the Holocaust and making anti-Semitic claims in his classroom as part of the course material. Keegstra and his lawyer Doug Christie argued that the section of the Criminal Code is an infringement of the Charter of Rights.The case was appealed to the Supreme Court of Canada where it was decided that the law he was convicted under did infringe on his freedom of expression, but it was a justified infringement Keegstra was convicted, and fired from his job. 2-David Irving ....Irving was arrested by the Austrian police in the southern state of Styria on 11 Novmber 2005 under a warrant issued in 1989 Irving knew that he was banned from Austria, in the words of his partner, Bente Hogh: "He was not jailed just for his views but because he's banned from Austria and still went. David doesn't take advice from anyone. He thought it was a bit of fun, to provoke a little bit. on Novmber 15 2005 Irving was charged by Austrian state prosecutors and shortly afterwards applied for bail. Irving posted the required £26,000 but the application was turned down on 25 Novmber 2005 citing concerns that would flee or repeat the offence and he was remanded in custody until his trial. Within two weeks of his arrest, Irving asserted through his lawyer Elmar Kresbach that he acknowledged the existence of Nazi-era gas chambers.On 20 Feb ,2006 Irving's trial began as he pleaded guilty to the charge of trivialising, grossly playing down and denying the Holocaust. At the trial the Judge quoted numerous statements of Irving's; including "There were no gas chambers at Auschwitz" and "It makes no sense to transport people from Amsterdam, Vienna and Brussels 500 kilometres to Auschwitz simply to liquidate them when it can be more easily done 8km from the city where they live". Irving informed Judge Liebtreu that he 'regretted the formulation'. Towards the end of the trial, Irving publicly recanted saying that "I've changed my views. I spoke then about Auschwitz and gas chambers based on my knowledge at the time, but by 1991 when I came across the Eichmann papers, I wasn't saying that any more and I wouldn't say that now. The Nazis did murder millions of Jews...I made a mistake by saying there were no gas chambers, I am absolutely without doubt that the Holocaust took place. I apologise to those few I might have offended though I remain very proud of the 30 books I have written." 3- Willis Carto On 26 March Willis Carto suit in Switerland 4- Richard Verrall ...He punished from the Supreme Court of Canada Other 1-Mahmoud Abbas 2-Mahmoud Ahmadinejad 3-Mohammed Mahdi Akef 4-Arthur Butz 5-Wendy CampbellRobert Faurisson 6-Bobby Fischer 7-Roger Garaudy 8-Hutton Gibson 9-Jürgen Graf 10-Richard Verrall 11-Michael A. Hoffman II 12-David Irving 13-Jüri Lina 14-Norman Lowell 15-Hassan Nasrallah 16-Roeland Raes 17-Paul RassinierGermar Rudolf 18-Tadeusz Rydzyk 19-Gerald Fredrick Töben 20-Ernst Zündel 21-Carl O. Nordling 22-Carlos Whitlock Porter Countries punish who denied the Holocaust France-Belgium-Switzerland-Germany-Austria-Romania-Slovakia-Lithuania-Poland-Czech Repubic The question is,why who denied the Holocaust get punish? Is that because the Holocaust is fact so if anyone said that the Allied didn't won the war or denying anything else,did he will get punish for that Why the Holocaust the only thing that you cant deny it? and if you do you will get punish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EL MASRY Posted August 31, 2006 Share Posted August 31, 2006 wow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EL MASRY Posted August 31, 2006 Share Posted August 31, 2006 more he latest statements of the Iranian President Ahmedi Nejad who questions Holocaust and raises doubts about its existence. Al-Hussaini writes, "Ahmedi Nejad is not the only one in the world who criticises the "myth" of Holocaust. Many others across the world do the same. If the West is serious about freedom of thought and speech they should tolerate the opinion of Ahmedi Nejad."<BR>Al-Hussaini is right. Every one should be free to believe in Holocaust or not. Privately, many Germans and Europeans do not believe in Holocaust. However, the pressure of the Jewish lobby in Europe and America has been so powerful that no official in the West dare question Holocaust. In Germany, for example, people who publicly deny Holocaust are imprisoned up to one year. Also because the Jewish lobby is so strong, nobody dare criticise this law, which contradicts freedom of speech. It is also obvious that Holocaust has become a Western "complex," inculcated in the heads of lots of Western officials. For such officials, Holocaust is the vilest atrocity that mankind has ever committed, although other peoples elsewhere in Vietnam, Algeria, the Armenians in Turkey, and Der Yaseen in Palestine, for example, have also suffered from atrocities comparable with Holocaust or worse. The question is why only holocaust is highlighted. <BR>Don't twist facts, please <BR>Saad Al-Enezi discusses in Al-Rai Al-Aam (Dec 23) the 7th Report of the US State Department about religious freedom world-wide including Kuwait. Al-Enezi criticises the report and labels it as being "biased." He lists some of the "practices" which the report describes as violation of religious freedom in Kuwait and tries to defend them. The report of the US State Department "claims" : <BR>1. Mosque preachers and school books in Kuwait propagate anti-Semitism. <BR>2. Bahais, Hindus, Sikhs and Buddhists are not allowed to have their own temples. <BR>3. Kuwait does not allow private schools to teach other religions than Islam. <BR>4. Muslim women are not allowed to marry non-Muslim men unless they convert to Islam. Non-Muslim women are forced to convert when they marry Muslim men.<BR>5. Non-Muslim maids and servants are put under pressure to convert to Islam. After they convert, they get a better treatment by their employers. <BR>6. Kuwaitis who switch religion and gender are subjected to persecution and stigmatisation. <BR>7. Kuwaiti women get half the amount which their brothers and male inheritors obtain from any inherited property. <BR>8. Two female witnesses are required to equal one man-witness for testimony in court. </P> <P>Al-Enezi claims that all of the above allegations are not true. Here is a summary of his reply: Non-Muslims are allowed to have their own private temples. Nobody is forced to convert to Islam. Nobody attacks Judaism as a religion. Maids and servants are free to keep their own religions. Women as inheritors get half what men get is due to the fact that women are always supported by men, a husband, for example, who is the principal earner of bread for the whole family. A woman as a witness equals half that of a man is due to her 'period," which prevents her from thinking and recalling events properly. <BR>Al-Enezi can claim and defend whatever he wants. But he cannot twist facts. Some Non-Muslims, maids/servants, and Kuwaiti women are discriminated against in terms of religious freedom, inheritance and court testimony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Smut Posted August 31, 2006 Share Posted August 31, 2006 Have you never seen the pictures? the videos? They speak for themselves. And for you information Mr David Irving changed his mind a few years ago and yes it was a travesty that he got jailed. got any links to support your theory? And i notice quite a few German and islamic names in that list. Make of that what you will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rayman Posted August 31, 2006 Share Posted August 31, 2006 And considering some of us have relatives who lived through that shit...you have the nerve to deny the hell they had to endure?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maldini Posted August 31, 2006 Author Share Posted August 31, 2006 Have you never seen the pictures? the videos? They speak for themselves. And for you information Mr David Irving changed his mind a few years ago and yes it was a travesty that he got jailed. got any links to support your theory? And i notice quite a few German and islamic names in that list. Make of that what you will. Read the article carefully I said something about the pictures David Irving changed his point of view in the court to jail 3 years instead of 10 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Smut Posted August 31, 2006 Share Posted August 31, 2006 Well wheres the links to support the rest of your theory? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matter-Eater Lad Posted August 31, 2006 Share Posted August 31, 2006 wow thats all you got? theirs thousands of other pages out there that support that he holocaust happened. i Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandon313 Posted August 31, 2006 Share Posted August 31, 2006 this is just crazy talk, of course it happened. Hitlers personal correspondance bear out his intentions. And there were deffinately records of who went in and out of the camps....10 exterminations isnt just "10 jews" its ten researched people, people who were singled out and examined to find out if they had jewish blood. They have the names and records of who came in the camps.....you just assume that they were magically gone?? and if you are claiming it is a hoax, you must be claiming that Germany was staging it....well let me ask you this, most deportations did not happen until late late 1942...then they continued right to the end of the war. So with Rommels crushing loss at El Alamein in August of 42 and the encirclement of the elite German sixth army at stalingrad....they are now losing on all fronts...why would they take the time, money, and material to stage a HUGE hoax like the holocaust.... The people who lived through it saw what happened. The people who were in the camps lived what happened....who are ANY of these critics to say that it didnt happen???? those people make me sick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandon313 Posted August 31, 2006 Share Posted August 31, 2006 also you ask why you get punished in Germany for denying it....well seeing as how most Germans are thuroughly ashamed of their countries past....Swastikas are illegal....hell they even revamped their national anthem because "Deutschland Deutschland Uber alles" was too harsh....These people are not proud of their countries past and its not something they want to bring up.... But denying the Holocaust is like saying we never went into space....Of course it happened, there is evidence all around us, people who were there still live to this day, and we have them to tell their stories. Its just plain retarted to deny that. I have nothing against any race of people. I have problems with people who have problems with me and thats it. Sure jewish people may be a little babied today, but jesus look at what their parents, and grandparents had to live through?? It seems as though you are just trying to make people feel like they dont have to make up for what happened to them and stop cutting them slack.... haha holocaust didnt happen...haha:laugh3: thats funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maldini Posted September 1, 2006 Author Share Posted September 1, 2006 also you ask why you get punished in Germany for denying it....well seeing as how most Germans are thuroughly ashamed of their countries past....Swastikas are illegal....hell they even revamped their national anthem because "Deutschland Deutschland Uber alles" was too harsh....These people are not proud of their countries past and its not something they want to bring up.... But denying the Holocaust is like saying we never went into space....Of course it happened, there is evidence all around us, people who were there still live to this day, and we have them to tell their stories. Its just plain retarted to deny that. I have nothing against any race of people. I have problems with people who have problems with me and thats it. Sure jewish people may be a little babied today, but jesus look at what their parents, and grandparents had to live through?? It seems as though you are just trying to make people feel like they dont have to make up for what happened to them and stop cutting them slack.... haha holocaust didnt happen...haha:laugh3: thats funny The Zionism media who make the Germany people thuroughly ashamed of their countries past and always make a big pressure on germany people and their government to pay Zionists money by make them feel the regret. So did the nations of Allies forces feel sorry or shame about the massacres which the Allies forces did in the World War ll The Dresden Attack The Attack The railway yards, near the centre of Dresden, had been targeted and bombed twice before the night of Feb 13 by the USAAF Eighth Air Force in daytime raids: on Oct 7, 1944 with 70 tons of high-explosive bombs, and then again with 133 bombers on Jan 16 , 1945 during which 279 tons of high-explosives and 41 tons of incendiaries were dropped.During the evening of Feb 13, 796 Avro Lancasters and 9 De Havilland Mosquitoes were dispatched in two separate waves and dropped 1,478 tons of high explosive and 1,182 tons of incendiary bombs by the early hours of Feb 14 ............................ The Impact The result is Out of 28,410 houses in the inner city of Dresden, 24,866 were destroyed. An area of 15 square kilometres was totally destroyed, among that: 14,000 homes, 72 schools, 22 hospitals, 18 churches, 5 theatres, 50 banks and insurance companies, 31 department stores, 31 large hotels, 62 administration buildings as well as factories such as the Ihagee camera works. In total there were 222,000 apartments in the city. 75,000 of them were totally destroyed, 11,000 severely damaged, 7,000 damaged, 81,000 slightly damaged. The city was around 300 square kilometers in area in those days. Although the main railway Station was destroyed completely.The precise number of dead is difficult to ascertain and is not known. Estimates are made difficult by the fact that the city and surrounding suburbs which had a population of 642,000 in 1939 was crowded at that time with up to 200,000 refugees, and some thousands of wounded soldiers. The fate of some of the refugees is not known as they may have been killed and incinerated beyond recognition in the fire-storm, or they may have left Dresden for other places without informing the authorities. Earlier reputable estimates varied from 25,000 to more than 60,000, but historians now view around 25,000–35,000 as the likely range with the latest (1994) research by the Dresden historian Friedrich Reichert pointing toward the lower part of this range. It would appear from such estimates that the casualties suffered in the Dresden bombings were not out of proportion to those suffered in other German cities which were subject to firebombing attacks during area bombardment....................................... I didn't tell the full story yet Are you feel shame now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maldini Posted September 1, 2006 Author Share Posted September 1, 2006 Till now I didn't find anyone disprove my points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matter-Eater Lad Posted September 1, 2006 Share Posted September 1, 2006 Till now I didn't find anyone disprove my points Im john wayne disprove this:rolleyes: sorry but im gonna go with history, and millions of people on this one that 6 million died...........nothing personal just i follow the facts not bullshit. PS for your little theories to be right, that would mean tens of millions of people for 10,000 years have been lying about the jews:rolleyes: the Assyrians, babylonians, Caaninites, Rome, Greece...i guess all those civilizations and modern ones are in on hte big jewish lie about Israel not being a nation thousands of years ago, and all the historians and archeologist just made up all the artifacts and cities in that area to help the jews out.:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maldini Posted September 1, 2006 Author Share Posted September 1, 2006 Im john wayne disprove this:rolleyes: sorry but im gonna go with history, and millions of people on this one that 6 million died...........nothing personal just i follow the facts not bullshit. PS for your little theories to be right, that would mean tens of millions of people for 10,000 years have been lying about the jews:rolleyes: the Assyrians, babylonians, Caaninites, Rome, Greece...i guess all those civilizations and modern ones are in on hte big jewish lie about Israel not being a nation thousands of years ago, and all the historians and archeologist just made up all the artifacts and cities in that area to help the jews out.:rolleyes: Paul Rassinier was in Nazi concentration camps during this war and he denied the Holocaust in his book [ Drama of the European Jews ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matter-Eater Lad Posted September 1, 2006 Share Posted September 1, 2006 ahh so one nutjob denies it so millions of others are wrong.. sorry historical documents prove millions died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maldini Posted September 1, 2006 Author Share Posted September 1, 2006 ahh so one nutjob denies it so millions of others are wrong.. sorry historical documents prove millions died. If you have any historical documents disprove my points. ok,show me these documents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matter-Eater Lad Posted September 1, 2006 Share Posted September 1, 2006 36. About how many Jews died in the concentration camps? The IHR says (original): About 300,000. The IHR says (revised): Competent estimates range from about 300,000 to 500,000. Nizkor replies: Again -- what would the "revisionists" be saying if real historians changed their figures around like this, raising their estimates by sixty-six percent? Yet when they do it, it's all right. In reality, more than 3,000,000 died in the camps (the rest behind the Eastern front and in the ghettos). The two worst camps were Auschwitz (about 1.3 million victims, 1.1 million of them Jews) and Treblinka (about 800,000 victims, nearly all Jews but also about 3,000 Gypsies). And didn't they say in question 7 that "tens of thousands" died in British concentration camps, which made them "far worse than any German concentration camp"? Another internal contradiction. And if "competent estimates" range only to 500,000, then arguably the world's most famous revisionist, David Irving, must be incompetent by a factor of eight. Irving has recently surprised everyone by stating that he now believes that as many as four million Jews may have died in the concentration camps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matter-Eater Lad Posted September 1, 2006 Share Posted September 1, 2006 These are for mature people only! http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/bergen-belsen/ftp.py?camps/bergen-belsen/images/British_Liberation_Film/Bergen-Belsen-00.avi http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/bergen-belsen/ftp.py?camps/bergen-belsen/images/British_Liberation_Film/Bergen-Belsen-00.rm http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/bergen-belsen/ftp.py?camps/bergen-belsen/images/British_Liberation_Film/Bergen-Belsen-01.avi http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/bergen-belsen/ftp.py?camps/bergen-belsen/images/British_Liberation_Film/0033.jpg http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/bergen-belsen/ftp.py?camps/bergen-belsen/images/British_Liberation_Film Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maldini Posted September 1, 2006 Author Share Posted September 1, 2006 36. About how many Jews died in the concentration camps? The IHR says (original): About 300,000. The IHR says (revised): Competent estimates range from about 300,000 to 500,000. Nizkor replies: Again -- what would the "revisionists" be saying if real historians changed their figures around like this, raising their estimates by sixty-six percent? Yet when they do it, it's all right. In reality, more than 3,000,000 died in the camps (the rest behind the Eastern front and in the ghettos). The two worst camps were Auschwitz (about 1.3 million victims, 1.1 million of them Jews) and Treblinka (about 800,000 victims, nearly all Jews but also about 3,000 Gypsies). And didn't they say in question 7 that "tens of thousands" died in British concentration camps, which made them "far worse than any German concentration camp"? Another internal contradiction. And if "competent estimates" range only to 500,000, then arguably the world's most famous revisionist, David Irving, must be incompetent by a factor of eight. Irving has recently surprised everyone by stating that he now believes that as many as four million Jews may have died in the concentration camps. There were less than 20,000 Jews jailed in Germany David Irving said it to beg the mercy,he spent years to make his book to denying the Holocaust then he discovered the truth in few days:rolleyes: Did you read the theory of the number of Jews? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maldini Posted September 1, 2006 Author Share Posted September 1, 2006 These are for mature people only! http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/bergen-belsen/ftp.py?camps/bergen-belsen/images/British_Liberation_Film/Bergen-Belsen-00.avi http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/bergen-belsen/ftp.py?camps/bergen-belsen/images/British_Liberation_Film/Bergen-Belsen-00.rm http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/bergen-belsen/ftp.py?camps/bergen-belsen/images/British_Liberation_Film/Bergen-Belsen-01.avi http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/bergen-belsen/ftp.py?camps/bergen-belsen/images/British_Liberation_Film/0033.jpg http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/bergen-belsen/ftp.py?camps/bergen-belsen/images/British_Liberation_Film It's proof that you didn't read my article:\ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matter-Eater Lad Posted September 1, 2006 Share Posted September 1, 2006 It's proof that you didn't read my article:\ I read and laughed at you trying to change history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maldini Posted September 1, 2006 Author Share Posted September 1, 2006 I read and laughed at you trying to change history. No,it's prove your bad situation,you can't even disprove on point The only thing you can do,is put me in jail Like what the Zionists doing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matter-Eater Lad Posted September 1, 2006 Share Posted September 1, 2006 No,it's prove your bad situation,you can't even disprove on point The only thing you can do,is put me in jail Like what the Zionists doing zionist arent putting people in jail, goverments are because if you're dumb enough to deny something htis big then you deserve to be jailed. you cant blame everything you dont like on the jews.;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maldini Posted September 1, 2006 Author Share Posted September 1, 2006 zionist arent putting people in jail, goverments are because if you're dumb enough to deny something htis big then you deserve to be jailed. you cant blame everything you dont like on the jews.;) Really,I think you need to read more about the Zionist Lobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matter-Eater Lad Posted September 1, 2006 Share Posted September 1, 2006 Really' date='I think you need to read more about the Zionist Lobby[/quote'] yes they control the world:rolleyes: its infact alot of people who dislike the jews that control alot of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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