The Facts Finally Revealed [ Part 2 ]

[Maldini]

No,this trials made up to fright anyone stand before the Zionism

 

In this Trials their are many things wrong and made up:

 

1- The judges were from USA,Britain,France and USSR,it's obvious thats all those Judges from the most countries get more damage from Germany and it's wasn't allowed to the accusers to choice their judeges and their was a cruppet Judge from USSR called Lona Nikitchenko.The Court didn't provide a lawyers to defend the occusers,and charged them in bad-founded cases.There is rule said [ No one can be at the same time suitor and judge ] , [ Fair trial means that it is conducted in accordance with rules of law with full respect for the rights of the occused ]

 

2- If the Allied really want to punish all who made a massacre,so why they didn't punished the scientists

 

I mean,the Allied punished all those useless and keeped all who will benefit them [ I mean USA ].In spite of those scientists killed more than who get punished

 

Like:

 

1-Wernher von Broun [ Who developed the Hitler program for modern rockets,V 1 and V 2 ]

 

2- Bernhard Tessmann [ was a German expert in guided missiles during WW 2 ]

 

3- Arthur Rudolph [ helped to develop V 2 rocket ]

 

4- Kurt Blome [ He was a deputy of the Reich Health Leader and Plenipotentiary for Cancer Research in the Reich Research Council ]

 

5- Walter Schreiber [ was a German military officer and Brigadier General of the Medical Service of Wehrmacht ]

 

There are more,they are more than 500

 

 

They was criminals war [ WW2 ]

[brandon313]

what are you talking about THEY are the criminals???? They develope rockets and a commander of the Wehrmacht?? The Wehrmacht was the regular German army, most of the commanders were NEVER party members and never approved of the parties doings. Their job was to fight the war and thats what they did. They did not take part in any war crimes.

 

On that note with the scientists, The united states were not the only ones who grabbed up the scientists, Russia and Great Britain did the same.. And how are they war criminals?? They developed weapons...bombs and missiles....thats like calling Mikhail Kalashnikov a war criminal simply because he designed the AK-47.

 

 

You obviously do not understand what constitutes a war crime and what doesnt.

Did you ever notice that 99% of the Wehrmacht (the Heer to be exact) were exempt from war crime prosecution and were discharged after their defeat??? Its because they did nothing wrong but give the allies a hell of a fight for 4 years. And the Allies realized the genius of scientists like Von Braun....The Germans were and still are some of the most gifted engineers, chemists, and theorists ever. They were the first to successfully build, operate, and engage a jet fighter plane. There are countless occaisions where the German genius is present. THATS why they grabbed as many as possible. They werent Nazi's. No more than you or I. They did their jobs. And much of the modern luxuries we enjoy today are directly influenced by their achievements.

[Maldini]

What I said was a part from an operation called [ Operation Paperclip ] it was the codename under which the US intelligence and military services extricated Nazi scientists from Germany during and after the final stages of WW 2

[General Smut]

Wernher von Braun a war criminal??? BOLLOCKS.

 

Wtf? will you please stop typing nonsense.

 

Most of the world fought in the war- there was really no-one else capable of trying them.

[Maldini]

what are you talking about THEY are the criminals???? They develope rockets and a commander of the Wehrmacht?? The Wehrmacht was the regular German army, most of the commanders were NEVER party members and never approved of the parties doings. Their job was to fight the war and thats what they did. They did not take part in any war crimes.

 

On that note with the scientists, The united states were not the only ones who grabbed up the scientists, Russia and Great Britain did the same.. And how are they war criminals?? They developed weapons...bombs and missiles....thats like calling Mikhail Kalashnikov a war criminal simply because he designed the AK-47.

 

 

You obviously do not understand what constitutes a war crime and what doesnt.

Did you ever notice that 99% of the Wehrmacht (the Heer to be exact) were exempt from war crime prosecution and were discharged after their defeat??? Its because they did nothing wrong but give the allies a hell of a fight for 4 years. And the Allies realized the genius of scientists like Von Braun....The Germans were and still are some of the most gifted engineers, chemists, and theorists ever. They were the first to successfully build, operate, and engage a jet fighter plane. There are countless occaisions where the German genius is present. THATS why they grabbed as many as possible. They werent Nazi's. No more than you or I. They did their jobs. And much of the modern luxuries we enjoy today are directly influenced by their achievements.

 

 

 

They made a weapons which killed millions of people in favour of Hitler and if they forced to do that I think also the others who punished were under Hitlet control too ]

[brandon313]

im not doubting your knowledge of the operation, im sure you looked it up on wikipedia. Im simply doubting the way you interpreted it. You dont understand that NOT ALL Germans were Nazis then....and there was FAAAAR more to be gained by the world by excepting them and forgiving them, rather than punishing them for the rest of their lives (that was what happened after WWI and it ultimately led to the rise of Hitler)

 

With the way Germany was treated after WWI, Germany was in one of the worst depressions ever. Almost all things being produced were forced to be exported to winning countries like France and Great Britain.....The Germans had no say, so it left a chip on their shoulder for ever. Then when Hitler came along promising a Great German Dynasty, he brought back what it was liek to be PROUD of being German....THATS why it was so easy for him to gain popularity. The people in Germany didnt know he was a madman waiting to spring.

[General Smut]

No they didnt kill millions of people.

 

Please stop talking utter shite

[brandon313]

does your country not have a weapons arsenal??? You preach like youa re the lord himself....you dont understand, its not the weapons that kill people, its the crazy mother fu*ker that is using them!!! Sure its sad, but if the OTHER GUY has an arsenal of bombs, it MIIIIIGHT come in handy to have one yourself. That is how you keep from being conquered

[Maldini]

im not doubting your knowledge of the operation, im sure you looked it up on wikipedia. Im simply doubting the way you interpreted it. You dont understand that NOT ALL Germans were Nazis then....and there was FAAAAR more to be gained by the world by excepting them and forgiving them, rather than punishing them for the rest of their lives (that was what happened after WWI and it ultimately led to the rise of Hitler)

 

With the way Germany was treated after WWI, Germany was in one of the worst depressions ever. Almost all things being produced were forced to be exported to winning countries like France and Great Britain.....The Germans had no say, so it left a chip on their shoulder for ever. Then when Hitler came along promising a Great German Dynasty, he brought back what it was liek to be PROUD of being German....THATS why it was so easy for him to gain popularity. The people in Germany didnt know he was a madman waiting to spring.

 

That's exactly what I mean.I mean that's not all who was with Hitler was a Nazi,and I think there are many innocent people punished in Nuremberg Trials

[Maldini]

No they didnt kill millions of people.

 

Please stop talking utter shite

 

 

So,what the made by these rockets [ give it to childern to play by it ]:dozey:

[Maldini]

does your country not have a weapons arsenal??? You preach like youa re the lord himself....you dont understand' date=' its not the weapons that kill people, its the crazy mother fu*ker that is using them!!! Sure its sad, but if the OTHER GUY has an arsenal of bombs, it MIIIIIGHT come in handy to have one yourself. That is how you keep from being conquered[/quote']

 

 

Yes it's right.But when you know that the weapons which you will made will use wrongly.I think you shouldn't made it

[brandon313]

i told you, they didnt kill people, the people who used them killed people. Braun didnt design the warheads on the rockets, he simply designed the delivery system.

 

 

let me ask you this

Do you have a tv? wireless phone?computer??? THEY NEED SATELLITES! how do you think they got up there??? Von Braun was probably the most responsible of any rocket scientist for putting them up there.. The world IS what it is because of these German Geniuses. Killing them would have only sent us back farther into the dark ages. Plus they never did anything wrong!

[brandon313]

you are also on a "You cooperate, or you die" basis.

 

 

you can either develope a delivery system or we will kill you.

 

 

how bout that

[Maldini]

i told you, they didnt kill people, the people who used them killed people. Braun didnt design the warheads on the rockets, he simply designed the delivery system.

 

 

let me ask you this

Do you have a tv? wireless phone?computer??? THEY NEED SATELLITES! how do you think they got up there??? Von Braun was probably the most responsible of any rocket scientist for putting them up there.. The world IS what it is because of these German Geniuses. Killing them would have only sent us back farther into the dark ages. Plus they never did anything wrong!

 

 

They made the weapons which used to kill people

 

He began to develop rockets for peacefull fields after the WW 2

 

I know that's he didn't aimed to kill people,I know he forced to do that

[Maldini]

you are also on a "You cooperate, or you die" basis.

 

 

you can either develope a delivery system or we will kill you.

 

 

how bout that

 

 

The same with who punished in Nuremberg Trials [ if you didn't say it,I will kill you]

[brandon313]

SOMEBODY was going to be killed. duh the world had just witnessed one of the worst events in history and all of the men REALLY accountable were dead. So they were trying to pin it on those guys. Doesnt matter if they did anythign or not. i dont think it was right, but back then, someone was going to get punished

 

 

they didnt need to tell them that they were gonna kill em. They knew it

[Maldini]

SOMEBODY was going to be killed. duh the world had just witnessed one of the worst events in history and all of the men REALLY accountable were dead. So they were trying to pin it on those guys. Doesnt matter if they did anythign or not. i dont think it was right, but back then, someone was going to get punished

 

 

they didnt need to tell them that they were gonna kill em. They knew it

 

 

It's disaster to say that

 

 

So,you with me to call these Trials [ Comedy Trials ]

[General Smut]

They were very one sided, aye but alot of people who were executed had killed people so no they werent comedy trials, just the minor ones. Quite a few to Nazis were executed, butthe famous ones killed themselves.

[brandon313]

oh absolutely, 90% of the guys tried had nothing to do with it, the only guys even significant were Hermann Goering, Rudolf Hess, Jodl, Speer, and Doenitz. out of 21 men. Some of THOSE guys werent even war criminals. Like Doenitz, an admiral in the german navy!! haha. So i agree on that!

[Maldini]

Finally:wink3:

 

 

So,why you didn't look back for what I said about the Holocaust

 

Please,read it without sensitives and opened mind [without offense]

 

I just trying to find the truh [ I'm not aganist any exact one ]

[General Smut]

I'm rather upset about what happened to Doenitz, speer , Jodl and the jurys still out on Keitel.

 

http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Nuremberg+trials

 

http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Subsequent+Nuremberg+Trials

 

Looking at the 2nd link there, i'm surprised by how many names ive never heard off

[brandon313]

yep, its because the REAL men that were responsible were all dead already!

 

 

However, i still do not agree with your postings about the holocaust. Its just not practical or probable, and i think its downright not possible. There are too many witnesses, too many documents, and too many dead people

[Maldini]

yep, its because the REAL men that were responsible were all dead already!

 

 

However, i still do not agree with your postings about the holocaust. Its just not practical or probable, and i think its downright not possible. There are too many witnesses, too many documents, and too many dead people

 

 

Belive me,you can bring anyone as a witness and there wasn't any official document about it

 

How can you get sure that those witnesses told the truth?

[General Smut]

Finally:wink3:

 

 

So,why you didn't look back for what I said about the Holocaust

 

Please,read it without sensitives and opened mind [without offense]

 

I just trying to find the truh [ I'm not aganist any exact one ]

 

http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/GivenNames/dbdespop.htm

 

Clearly see the dramatic drop of Jews in Europe

[General Smut]

http://www.world-war-2.info/holocaust/

 

Extent of the Holocaust

 

The exact number of people killed by the Nazi regime is still subject to further research. Recently declassified British and Soviet documents have indicated the total may be somewhat higher than previously believed. However, the following estimates are considered to be highly reliable.

 

* 5.6–6.1 million Jews

* 3.5–6 million Slavic civilians

* 2.5–4 million POWs

* 1–1.5 million political dissidents

* 200 000–800 000 Roma & Sinti

* 200 000–300 000 handicapped

* 10 000–250 000 homosexuals

* 2 000 Jehovah's Witnesses

 

Revisionists and Deniers

 

Some groups, commonly referred to as "Holocaust deniers", deny that the Holocaust happened. Many of the Holocaust deniers are neo-Nazis or just antisemites.

 

Holocaust revisionism claims that far fewer than 5-6 million Jews were killed, and that the killing was not a result of deliberate Nazi policy. Although Holocaust revisionists claim to present documentary evidence to support their claims, critics argue that the evidence is flawed, the research is specious, and the conclusions are pre-determined. Many claim that such revisionism is a form of Anti-Semitism and tantamount to denial.