Oh if ownership is ok, then the DNA belongs to the FATHER too, so i guess the father is half owner of the fetus, so why in your view should he not have a say? if you can own another human, and half of its the fatheers?!?

 

 

So you're rationalizing the ownership of another human being....thats just plain sick. This is how bad things happen, people try to rationalize ownership of human or in some cases turn humans into things to justify their killing and or slavery. You're a sick bastard.

 

Now you sound like a slave trader

 

If she cannot / does not want to carry it, well....that's not YOUR problem nor Church's. It's mother's!

 

You forgot its the innocent childs who is 100% humans problem too...i guess you dont believe in defending the weak and people incapable of defending themselves. sick bastard.

 

I wouldnt give a rats ass if it was just the mothers fault, but when another innocent HUMAN being is involved and its life or death its the governments problem, just as if the kkk goes out and kills people. Like i said everyone should have a right to their body until another person is hurt or killed and in this case another person is killed. Like it said in my last post they made the choice to have sex, you make a a choice live with it. Just as person makes a choice to rob a bank and deal with what he gets parents should do the same.

 

Are you a mum-to-be?

 

No, but thats immaterial to this. People who want to stop the genocide in Darfur, are they from africa? do they have to be a victim from africa to have a say in it? should we let only the people involved in crimes have a say about stopping them?

 

Bottom line you're saying a person can own another person and if so pleases kill them because they dont like them. im not sure in what sick place you live, but murder of ownership is never ok no matter how legal. and if you're ok with millions of humans dying that dont have to, then you're a sick fucker.

Chimps have 99.4% human DNA.

 

Does that .06% really make that much difference?

 

Being human is being able to think, act, sense, live indepentantly, learn, make decisions and play a part in socitey.

 

A feteus does not do that.

Chimps have 99.4% human DNA.

 

Does that .06% really make that much difference?

 

Being human is being able to think, act, sense, live indepentantly, learn, make decisions and play a part in socitey.

 

A feteus does not do that.

 

 

It makes a HUGE difference. Using that logic a 2 week old is not human. You could easily reason that a race you do not like does not have those qualities and is not human thus killing or puttting them in slavery is ok. Dangerous thinking, which leads to slavery and genocide.

 

Being human is more then that, we physically are different then an ape, so we huge physical difference too.

 

a mentally retarted person does not always have those traits, so are they not human too? its dangerous and evil thinking.

 

Ive heard racist use this similar type of arguement to say african americans are less human and apes thus deserve not rights. Its sick.

It turned out exactly how I thought it would.

 

God, you're predictable :rolleyes:

 

And Neil....thank you =)

It turned out exactly how I thought it would.

 

God, you're predictable :rolleyes:

 

And Neil....thank you =)

 

Neil isnt, i never thought he'd use logic ive heard racist hear.:\

 

But hey if owning humans is ok with you....i feel sorry for you. But you're in luck if you want a slave there are a few nations that still allow it! arent you happy?

Okay...it seems to me I don't have any choice...

 

But you are one pompous, annoying, twisting idiot who cannot stand anyone who's a bit different than you!

 

And ... this topic is all about you, innit?

Not about abortion but your tensions towards manipulating ppl!

Okay...it seems to me I don't have any choice...

 

But you are one pompous, annoying, twisting idiot who cannot stand anyone who's a bit different than you!

 

And ... this topic is all about you, innit?

Not about abortion but your tensions towards manipulating ppl!

 

I love people who are different then me, most my friends are. I just dont like people who think owning others or murder is ok. Pompous, yes I am. But what's more annoying is people who think other people arent human. But this is not about people being different but about murder, how you want to live YOUR life is your choice, but when it affects innocent other people then its not yours anymore. Dont be mad that i care about humans and you dont. Just grow a pair and become human

 

As far as an idiot, im not the moron who thinks being inside of someone means they are "one" with them, you're just a moron.:laugh3:

 

Im sorry if you're ok with murder, but im one of the people who want to HELP people not let them be killed or owned, i kinda hope one day you someone owns you. I dont think it'll happen, but i'd laugh my ass off. You reap what you sow, maybe not now but one day you will.

 

and what idiot uses slave owner logic about owning people? its not only stupid but sick.

Wow....you came up with that in one hour?

Even you could've done a lot better.

 

Pathetic.

I'll give you credit, you said a big word. Well a big word for you "pathetic"

 

Dont worry you wont be a moron forever, keep trying to learn

Well,as it's clear,abortion is a very controversial issue.I'd say it's pretty hard to say what's right and what's wrong when it comes to abortion.All i can say is that if you don't make abortion and give birth to a child you don't want to,it'll be like killing it everyday with the way you'll be treating it.It might be better if you "kill" it to prevent it from living a life,where no one will care for it or love ir or where there will be no money for it being raised properly and it will suffer until it dies.I mean is it better not to make abortion and bring to life one more poor child,a child which will inevitably make our world look crueler and unfairer? I don't know...I just wish i could never make such a decision.

make your own mind up about abortion because people get it wrong all the time, even scientists (who would've thought!)

 

personally, i have conflicting issues about aborting which is why i prefer not to argue them, (esp considering i don't have a definite view) but calling people murderers because they believe something opposed to you is ignorant.

 

before going on about what is a human and what isn't, take the time to see not everyone will agree with you, and that you can get your point across without the insults as they weaken your argument.

make your own mind up about abortion because people get it wrong all the time, even scientists (who would've thought!)

 

personally, i have conflicting issues about aborting which is why i prefer not to argue them, (esp considering i don't have a definite view) but calling people murderers because they believe something opposed to you is ignorant.

 

before going on about what is a human and what isn't, take the time to see not everyone will agree with you, and that you can get your point across without the insults as they weaken your argument.

 

Yes...but this mr_"cool" obviously never heard of such thing....

Nor's he convincing, nor amusing, nor smart....he's acting like a 10 year old :rolleyes:

 

But that's his problem only....

Like abortion's not his problem.

Yes...but this mr_"cool" obviously never heard of such thing....

Nor's he convincing, nor amusing, nor smart....he's acting like a 10 year old :rolleyes:

 

But that's his problem only....

Like abortion's not his problem.

 

Edited by Admin because the personal insults are completely unneccessary, are against the code of the board, and absolutely nothing to do with this debate.

 

Rape is not your problem, nor is the genocide in darfur, BUT you are no better then the people doing it unless you try to stop it. So the "well its not my problem" is just a horrid excuse. I really hope one day you're having an heart attack and you call 911 and they tell you "its not my problem" because what you reap is what you sow...and yes that probably is not true in final fantasy 90393333343 but if you'd get your head out of your inbred ass once in awhile, you'd learn something. Maybe science and the real world and morals are no fun to you, but i dont give a rats ass, ignorance is not an excuse for doing bad things or wanting them to happen.

 

 

before going on about what is a human and what isn't, take the time to see not everyone will agree with you, and that you can get your point across without the insults as they weaken your argument.

 

That works with normal people. Another admin edit

Abortion is a sensitive topic because some believe that it's a living thing but the law says that you're not technically killing a living being because it hasn't taken a breath or something like that. All I know is that the court doesn't recognise a fetus as a human being, so....

 

I think women should be allowed to abort. Why bring another baby in this world if it's going to hurt or neglected?

Abortion is a sensitive topic because some believe that it's a living thing but the law says that you're not technically killing a living being because it hasn't taken a breath or something like that. All I know is that the court doesn't recognise a fetus as a human being, so....

 

I think women should be allowed to abort. Why bring another baby in this world if it's going to hurt or neglected?

 

The court does not recoqnise it because a legal loophole, they didnt recognize native americans or african americans for along time to. The fact that proves fetus's to be human is they are living. THus a living human being with a unique dna, brain and brainwaves along with a beating heart.

 

In science's book if its dna is human, and its alive and has a beating heart with a active brain, its a living human. Thus killing a living human even though it does not look like one, is murder.

 

As byrons thinks, where a human is defines what a humans right should be, thus he thinking owning another human and if you want to killing it is ok. Im sure if he was a slave owner, he'd have no problem with this type of thinking. But as ive said, where you are or what you're attached to, does not define WHO or WHAT you are.

I don't know what to say, you make a good arguement. At least you didn't start screaming at me.

 

It's obivous we all have different opinions about this topic, like I said it's a sensitive one. But most women have good reasons for getting abortions. Again, like I said, the world doesn't need anymore hurt or neglected kids.

 

And, you might scream at me for this, it's better for some to be aborted. I can't imagine what it feels like for kids being put in foster homes. And what about teen moms? Without abortion, most of them would drop out of school and life would be very tough for them and their kids...

I don't know what to say, you make a good arguement. At least you didn't start screaming at me.

 

It's obivous we all have different opinions about this topic, like I said it's a sensitive one. But most women have good reasons for getting abortions. Again, like I said, the world doesn't need anymore hurt or neglected kids.

 

And, you might scream at me for this, it's better for some to be aborted. I can't imagine what it feels like for kids being put in foster homes. And what about teen moms? Without abortion, most of them would drop out of school and life would be very tough for them and their kids...

 

You were nice, and open minded, I had no need to.

 

But most women have good reasons for getting abortions.

 

Not in my opinion....most just dont want to have the trouble or economic stress of a kid, its mostly selfish reasons.

 

But the world does not need anymore death or murder either. I think life should be everyone right, and if they dont want it, it should be the persons choice to end it.

 

I said before i believe EVERYONE should have any right to their body as long as no one else is hurt or killed by it.

 

But what gives you the right to say its better for a person to be killed then put in a foster home? like i said, if they get there and it sucks they have a right to end it. but what im saying is personal issues like that should be up to the person.

 

As far as teen moms, well you reap what you sow. In america we make bad decisions and dont try to deal with the consequences of their actions. If you make a decision you should have to live with the results no matter how good or bad it is. Its a simple life lesson. Being an idiot is not an excuse to kill another human. People need to follow through with their mistakes.

nick, you say "economic stress" like it's like stepping in dog poo. do you know what it's like to be poor? do you know what it's like to be poor and pregnant?

It's true you do reap what you sow. It's also true that our soceity is very selfish and doesn't really want to deal with the problems we put upon ourselves. I just don't think that women should have they're rights taken away. They decided to have sex and they'll decide how to handle the outcome. It's their bodies, let them do what they want.

I don't know, I guess women think that once you have a kid your life is over, and that IS quite selfish.

 

But I always thought that abortion was mostly for teen girls. :thinking: You know, so they won't "ruin their lives..." But like you said reap what you sow and in some cases abortion seems like a half-ass way to deal with a problem YOU created.

 

AH! This makes me so angry. I don't really like to argue about arbotion, I rather argue about teaching abstinence and/or safe sex in schools. They need to stress that more in our sex education classes! :angry: Maybe abortion rates wouldn't be so high among teen girls if they did.

 

Well, I have to cut this argument short- I'm going to bed. Goodnight and it was nice debating with you. :)

well i personally am pro choice, my reasoning doesnt matter, thats not my point.

 

I have said before i would never condone an abortion in my own family unless rape had been the case or if my loved one was in danger of losing her life..That being said, stupid teenage mistakes (leading cause of abortion) she can have it, and i will take care of the child. I dont want any child from my line to be aborted or put into a foster home.

 

I dont think it should be legal all of the time, and i dont think it should be legal after the first two months or so.. I think only in cases, as i said, where the persons life is in danger or she was a rape victim, or the family is simply without the means to support a child (the foster homes are crowded enough as it is). Not just because she got drunk one night and made bad decisions. i dont think that merits an abortion.

Also i believe that abortion should only be done in the very early stages of pregnancy when it is basically just a mass of cells. an embryo. Not when it is a child.

nick' date=' you say "economic stress" like it's like stepping in dog poo. do you know what it's like to be poor? do you know what it's like to be poor [i']and pregnant[/i]?

 

That is immaterial, even being dirt poor is no excuse for murder. Its like saying if i kill that guy and steal his wallet i can eat....killing not to be poor is just as bad as killing for greed.

It's true you do reap what you sow. It's also true that our soceity is very selfish and doesn't really want to deal with the problems we put upon ourselves. I just don't think that women should have they're rights taken away. They decided to have sex and they'll decide how to handle the outcome. It's their bodies, let them do what they want.

I don't know, I guess women think that once you have a kid your life is over, and that IS quite selfish.

 

But I always thought that abortion was mostly for teen girls. :thinking: You know, so they won't "ruin their lives..." But like you said reap what you sow and in some cases abortion seems like a half-ass way to deal with a problem YOU created.

 

AH! This makes me so angry. I don't really like to argue about arbotion, I rather argue about teaching abstinence and/or safe sex in schools. They need to stress that more in our sex education classes! :angry: Maybe abortion rates wouldn't be so high among teen girls if they did.

 

Well, I have to cut this argument short- I'm going to bed. Goodnight and it was nice debating with you. :)

 

Women or men should NEVER have rights taken away UNLESS someones life is at danger. Why should the fetus's right's be taken away?

 

What annoys me about both sides is one side the christians only want to teach abstinence while the other only wants to teach safe sex.....why not teach both! say the only safe way is to be abstinant but if you are going to have sex use protection and/or birth control.

well i personally am pro choice, my reasoning doesnt matter, thats not my point.

 

I have said before i would never condone an abortion in my own family unless rape had been the case or if my loved one was in danger of losing her life..That being said, stupid teenage mistakes (leading cause of abortion) she can have it, and i will take care of the child. I dont want any child from my line to be aborted or put into a foster home.

 

I dont think it should be legal all of the time, and i dont think it should be legal after the first two months or so.. I think only in cases, as i said, where the persons life is in danger or she was a rape victim, or the family is simply without the means to support a child (the foster homes are crowded enough as it is). Not just because she got drunk one night and made bad decisions. i dont think that merits an abortion.

Also i believe that abortion should only be done in the very early stages of pregnancy when it is basically just a mass of cells. an embryo. Not when it is a child.

 

 

Im pro choice too. Pro choice to chose to have sex or not. They make the problem for themselves.

 

But i see what you're saying and respect it. Because its a good opinion.

That is immaterial' date=' even being dirt poor is no excuse for murder. Its like saying if i kill that guy and steal his wallet i can eat....killing not to be poor is just as bad as killing for greed.[/quote']

for the record, i happen to believe abortion isn't murder.

 

and i'll take that as a "no" to my question.

for the record, i happen to believe abortion isn't murder.

 

and i'll take that as a "no" to my question.

 

So you dont believe a fetus is human?

 

Then what makes a person human? not the brain? the heart? the dna? the brain being "on" and working?

 

Besides a little physical change, their is not much difference between a fetus and a newborn or 2 month old, mostly its just the location of the child