December 12, 200817 yr This is probably not a very good analogy but this is the way I think about it. Imagine this: you're a company that has come up with a design for a machine A and you patent it. Some time passes and a different company comes up with another design for a machine B which happens to have a component that is also unique to machine A. Appart from this component the two machines are completely different. In my opinion the company that came up with machine B should be able to call it their own if they came up with the component through their own means. Should the fact that this case is not common affect the outcome? I agree. But following your analogy (which I think is a good one), shouldn't the maker of Machine B at least have to partially compensate the maker of Machine A for using that part? If you are going to stay with this analogy, I think the music industry is screwed. Because it appears that there are only so many "components" (i.e. different musical arrangements) to go around in a pop song. If we start suing everybody for using "components", whether it is intentional or not, we will have a whole lot of lawsuits going on.
December 12, 200817 yr I can see it now... "Coldplay 2002 sues Coldplay 2005 for allegedly stealing aspects of the hit song 'Clocks' for use in 'Speed of Sound'. A trial is expected as soon as scientists have mastered the art of cloning."
December 12, 200817 yr I agree. But following your analogy (which I think is a good one), shouldn't the maker of Machine B at least have to partially compensate the maker of Machine A for using that part? That is something I'm a little confused by, if both companies "invented" the components shouldn't they have equal rights to them even if one came before the other? If you are going to stay with this analogy, I think the music industry is screwed. Because it appears that there are only so many "components" (i.e. different musical arrangements) to go around in a pop song. If we start suing everybody for using "components", whether it is intentional or not, we will have a whole lot of lawsuits going on. Yes I agree, that's why I initially thought this lawsuit was a little bit riduculous.
December 12, 200817 yr That is something I'm a little confused by, if both companies "invented" the components shouldn't they have equal rights to them even if one came before the other? Not if someone already owns the copyright to it. That person is claiming that I have created this "component" (as part of my machine) and I own the "rights" to it. I don't care how another person came to produce the same "component" as me, but I already own the copyright to it. Therefore, that person needs to compensate me. Now I don't pretend to know all the copyright laws, but I think this was Coldplagiarism's argument...and I get it. The validity of it is still in question (to me at least).
December 12, 200817 yr I can see it now... "Coldplay 2002 sues Coldplay 2005 for allegedly stealing aspects of the hit song 'Clocks' for use in 'Speed of Sound'. A trial is expected as soon as scientists have mastered the art of cloning." Hahaha
December 12, 200817 yr I can see it now... "Coldplay 2002 sues Coldplay 2005 for allegedly stealing aspects of the hit song 'Clocks' for use in 'Speed of Sound'. A trial is expected as soon as scientists have mastered the art of cloning." Well, if you want to be literal, that's not a problem for Coldplay. They already own the rights to both songs.
December 12, 200817 yr You can't own the commons. People try - they try to own water; they try to own the frequency spectrum; they try to own the oceans; they try to own simple common ideas; but truthfully, they're all breaking a covenant between all the Earth's inhabitants - we cannot possess what is ubiquitous.
December 13, 200817 yr You can't own the commons. People try - they try to own water; they try to own the frequency spectrum; they try to own the oceans; they try to own simple common ideas; but truthfully, they're all breaking a covenant between all the Earth's inhabitants - we cannot possess what is ubiquitous. This is a brilliant post. Where does music fall? That is what this case will be all about.
December 13, 200817 yr Not if someone already owns the copyright to it. That person is claiming that I have created this "component" (as part of my machine) and I own the "rights" to it. I don't care how another person came to produce the same "component" as me, but I already own the copyright to it. Therefore, that person needs to compensate me. Now I don't pretend to know all the copyright laws, but I think this was Coldplagiarism's argument...and I get it. The validity of it is still in question (to me at least). Yes I understand that as well, and I question its validity. That is what I've been trying to get across.
December 13, 200817 yr Lets hope court makes the right decision. I do not think there will be any winners in this case, both sides reputations will take a beating
December 13, 200817 yr Coldplay already have enough people hating them for the wrong reasons. preach it my brother (mmm-hmmm)
December 13, 200817 yr Plagiarist sues Guitarist for Coldplay In the Alternate Music Universe, things work differently!:laugh3: Plagiarism is a worthy profession, and a plagiarist can sue those who do not willfully copy the works of others! As a result, alternative universe's Johnny is being sued by a famous old plagiarist, for not copying someone else's work. The courts in the alternative universe naturally find the defendant guilty until proven innocent beyond a reasonable shadow of a doubt. The jury is in session; the (dis)honorable Boss Tweed presiding. :P
December 13, 200817 yr Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Funniest thing I have read in ages. THanks chuck.
December 13, 200817 yr In the Alternate Music Universe, things work differently! I'm steering clear of that universe. I have a hard enough time understanding the universe I already live in!
December 13, 200817 yr Coldplay already have enough people hating them for the wrong reasons. That was put very well. I believe that, too!
December 13, 200817 yr But if you want alternative music, that's where you'll find it!:laugh3: I don't want it that bad :)
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