kaisin Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Are there any coldplayers that are going to the Inauguration next tuesday? I'm from Mexico and i'm going, i would love to meet some of you if that's possible :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matter-Eater Lad Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 I saw Bush Inaugurated twice, I don't want to see his 3rd inauguration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strawberryfields Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 I'm not going, but have fun! It'll be an incredible experience. :nice: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMagpie Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 I have class. I won't be there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck kottke Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Kaisin, have fun!! Wish I could go, but funds are low. I'll watch on TV - jump around a lot when you're on camera so we can see you then!!:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crawlinwithin Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 who's gonna be president again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matter-Eater Lad Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Bush the 3rd.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notlost92 Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 I'm going and I have a ticket!!!!!!! I just found out a couple of hours ago and I'm ecstatic! I was planning on sleeping out on the Mall anyway if I didn't get one :P Are you going to the concert on Sunday, too? There are supposedly about a million people going :stunned: I'm going to be trapped in my own city, they're closing almost all of the roads and the number of people coming is around twice as large as the entire DC population! EDIT: ^ Um in case you missed it, OBAMA won and not McCain. ;) :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mad Hatter Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 lulz ur so rite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matter-Eater Lad Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 I'm going and I have a ticket!!!!!!! I just found out a couple of hours ago and I'm ecstatic! I was planning on sleeping out on the Mall anyway if I didn't get one :P Are you going to the concert on Sunday, too? There are supposedly about a million people going :stunned: I'm going to be trapped in my own city, they're closing almost all of the roads and the number of people coming is around twice as large as the entire DC population! EDIT: ^ Um in case you missed it, OBAMA won and not McCain. ;) :lol: I know, thus Bush the 3rd...more tax cuts, more spending, more "rebates", more Patriot Acts and FISA bills, more of the exact same foreign policy....I've yet for anyone to show me how Obama will be any different then Bush? Talking differently then Bush does not count btw! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck kottke Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 I think Obama will be different simply because his candidacy raised a significant amount of capital from numerous small contributors, and that provides more incentive for him to move forward with a progressive agenda. Not perfect by any means, but not Bush! Unlike Bush, who basically told everyone to buzz off at the mere criticism of policy the neo-cons had cooked up, Obama listens! And he isn't a war hawk. Why not write him a note, and be part of the groups who are trying to move the agenda away from the old guard? I think now is the time to have an effect, and I believe he's amenable to suggestions.. They do have their transition website up for all to comment if you wish - it's not as impossible to affect policy decisions as one might think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matter-Eater Lad Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 I think Obama will be different simply because his candidacy raised a significant amount of capital from numerous small contributors, and that provides more incentive for him to move forward with a progressive agenda. Not perfect by any means, but not Bush! Unlike Bush, who basically told everyone to buzz off at the mere criticism of policy the neo-cons had cooked up, Obama listens! And he isn't a war hawk. Why not write him a note, and be part of the groups who are trying to move the agenda away from the old guard? I think now is the time to have an effect, and I believe he's amenable to suggestions.. They do have their transition website up for all to comment if you wish - it's not as impossible to affect policy decisions as one might think. Valid argument. But look at who he hangs out with, Lobbyist, big business, wall street, and Washington Insiders. All while they gave the majority of money to him, the majority of power to him and made him and gave him what he has. He's a typical politician no matter if a large amount of average Joe's were fooled into giving him money, because in the end the extremely rich and corrupt in Washington and Wall Street gave him more money and more opportunities and many favors. To sum it up, in the end corrupt politicians, bankers and wall street gave Obama more and are surrounding him and have for many years, thus they will win out not the average American.:veryangry2: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
мaямellata Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 obama? no thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck kottke Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 True, Nick - but to go the Maverick route as Carter tried when he first went to Washington usually means you'll get nowhere with your agenda, or with Congress since they're all connected to the lobbyists. I once argued that we should outright ban lobbying by anything other than ordinary citizens, since to "petition the government for a redress of grievances" means just that, not "petition the government for some truckloads of cash by buying candidates air time".. Now if we work on real election reform, we might see a president who can then come forward with an independent agenda, more along the lines of what they were elected to do. So, unfortunately, this is the way Washington works right now. But I believe he's not typical in the sense that they have to get him to listen to them, not the other way around. Simply put, they (the in group) have screwed up big time, and they know it, and so do we. If they continue down the same old path, it will be more and more disasters, so unless they're stuck in low gear, I think they have to recognize outside voices and the will of the people. Or at least I hope so! He surrounds himself with some of those types, but not all. And some of them realize what caused the derailment on Wall Street; The Ken Lay / Jeff Skilling protege's I think are out of office.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notlost92 Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 :rolleyes: I don't feel like arguing with anyone over this. If he hasn't convinced you in two years of campaigning then I doubt anything I say will change that. I can say that I know a lot of his policies backwards and forwards since I campaigned extensively for him, and he definitely won't be "Bush the 3rd"! I know you're not going to believe me, though, so I won't bother going into it. (If you're talking about policies, though, versus what you think his personality is, you can start with the things that he's already announced, e.g. closing Guantanamo, focusing more on Afghanistan, willingness to meet with leaders of enemy nations w/o preconditions, just to name a few foreign policy issues. There's no way he'll be "Bush the 3rd" policy-wise!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matter-Eater Lad Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 True, Nick - but to go the Maverick route as Carter tried when he first went to Washington usually means you'll get nowhere with your agenda, or with Congress since there all connected to the lobbyists. I once argued that we should outright ban lobbying by anything other than ordinary citizens, since to "petition the government for a redress of grievances" means just that, not "petition the government for some truckloads of cash by buying candidates air time".. Now if we work on real election reform, we might see a president who can then come forward with an independent agenda, more along the lines of what they were elected to do. So, unfortunately, this is the way Washington works right now. But I believe he's not typical in the sense that they have to get him to listen to them, not the other way around. Simply put, they (the in group) have screwed up big time, and they know it, and so do we. If they continue down the same old path, it will be more and more disasters, so unless they're stuck in low gear, I think they have to recognize outside voices and the will of the people. Or at least I hope so! He surrounds himself with some of those types, but not all. And some of them realize what caused the derailment on Wall Street; The Ken Lay / Jeff Skilling protege's I think are out of office.. Another valid point. But I disagree with what you think will happen. Washington will never listen to the people, after what's going on now I'm convinced they'll go further the wrong direction. I think the solution is change Congress, vote out career corrupt politicians. But the derailment of Wall Street was much much more then Ken Lay/Jeff Skilling, it's the whole mindset started by the government that corrupted the private sector. Borrow, and spend like their is no tomorrow. Our government can't balance it's budget sheet, then Wall Street couldn't along with most of America. Wall Street and Washington are to blame for the mess right now, corrupt bankers, wall street(ers) and Washington. Wall Street copied what our Government is doing....! These Ponzi scams now coming to light, were perfect by Uncle Sam.(Social Security and Bonds are giant Ponzi scheme). We'll never get Wall Street under control, til Washington is under control...but it'll be too late because the world is and will continue to move on without us and restructure and cut America out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notlost92 Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Well if you're going to be that cynical, why not just get out of the country now? :lol: Move to Canada or something! :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matter-Eater Lad Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Because in 2012 when people realize what is wrong, I want to be a part of the solution and the political process but if by then were still complete idiots electing the same politicians I will do all I can to move to Asia or Europe. If we stay on the path Bush/Obama want us too, our economy is headed for depression and this time the world will not wait for us and will move on without us. The wealth has been transfered from the US to asia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck kottke Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Everything I see tells me that Wall Street copied, nay became ENRON. Why? Because those who worked in ENRON's boiler room went to work for a bevy of Wall Street firms, spreading the bad ideas throughout the financial sector. And ENRON headed the way for a compete mixing of the banking and government sectors by co-opting the regulatory process and regulatory agencies. This was the model that led to the debacle, which we're still dealing with.. The packaging of bad loans as good by bundling and hiding the truth, then selling them on the markets to unsuspecting investors... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matter-Eater Lad Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 No matter who you think started this, it's clear the government played a major role in it, and protecting it and now pro-longing it. If you think it started on WS, it still is partly a problem of Washington. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
localola86 Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Whoa! I thought I would be reading about people replying that they would be going or not to the Inaguration, and I find this discussion going on. Not that I'm complaining, I love to hear what people think of our governement. Yes, I even appreciate the "cynical" view. Thanks for enlighten me Nick and Chuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lore Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 you are so offtopic.. the guy was just asking if anyone is going there, not asking about everyone's opinion about US politics :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
localola86 Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 you are so offtopic.. the guy was just asking if anyone is going there, not asking about everyone's opinion about US politics :P Well, I'm going to watch it on TV if possible. I'll be on my way to the university around noon, so I don't know if I will see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck kottke Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 @ Nick - the 'government' isn't a monolith, although patterns of behavior persist. I have faith that Obama will do more right things if we put positive pressure on him to do so. He isn't as intransigent as Bush, and yes government had plenty to do with the economic troubles, but mostly from the pay-offs that led to bad legislative decisions, as far as I see it. Fair Elections at the root of the problem; the easy money from Wall Street & Big Corps. is where the rot starts in the tree of our government. Cut out the rot, and the wound heals. @localola86 - Yes, this is a thread for the inauguration!! :) Are you headed to Washington for the festivities?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck kottke Posted January 15, 2009 Share Posted January 15, 2009 Pardon the deviation from topic - but somehow it always seems to go that way..:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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