I wanted the picture to talk for me. :bigcry:

:stunned:

Reilly thanks, I had similar opinions I think (I mean this may seem like a reversal from my previous stance). I never really thought, for the record, that Mark was a pedophile, but I DID think it was weird and creepy how he acted in Crest's thread, like Reilly I do think it's because they're basically the only ones nice enough to not tell him to fuck off, but it was weird all the same. It got overblown but I think there was at least a little bit to it originally.

 

And I'll admit I've made fun of Mark just for fun, which is obviously not exactly the mature thing to do, but... I'm an immature person, I guess. I'm 16! But I was honestly a little bit worried by his behavior. I mean he just wouldn't leave them alone. :\

I know its boring, but maybe reading sites like this might help a bit. This is a uk one, but I guess other countries may have similar sites. http://www.thinkuknow.co.uk/11_16/control/

 

 

When I was 14, we got self defence lessons in school and advised how to protect ourselves in case we got attacked by strangers on the street. Its not likely to happen but better that you know what you would do if you were unlucky.

I guess the modern equivalent should also include how to protect yourself on the net.

*signs*

This topic is useless if I've read correctly in a thread earlier that Ian said to someone Coldplaying is safe (Which I assume to mean he's not shutting it down).

 

We should all be relieved and happy about that.;)

 

But I finally read Ren's post, I might be wasting my time replying but I have a fairly strong feeling that he'll be looking for responses, it was a pretty epic post afterall and I haven't seen anyone give him the credit for responding.

 

I have via PM.

 

I will say that it wasn't just Nathan who influenced me, but another handful of members who brought me around to thinking that, in that thread called something like "Guess we'll be short of puns for the next week" when Mark was temporarily banned

 

Well clearly that thread should have been removed as soon as it got out of hand, and as it was also created just to "shit-stir" in the first place, it really should have been removed straight away.

It wasn't the start of everything, but it definitely went a long way to causing the mess that developed.

Your participation in it certainly didn't help.

Three years ago Ian introduced a rule that "negative" threads about other users wouldn't be permitted, but for some reason mods haven't been removing them, or have only been doing so after they have got way out of hand.

IMO, this should never have happened.

 

On the other hand, Mark will basically be friends with anyone who's too nice to tell him to fuck off (Not trying to offend Mark here, it is just true) and by coincidence, that's 14 year old girls.

 

This is mostly just your opinion, influenced by the fact you've never liked me yourself. You might want to believe otherwise, but I actually have a lot of people (of all ages) who are more than happy to converse with me both on here and off-board.

Just because they haven't been defending me or getting involved in the "fights" all the time doesn't mean they haven't been observing, protesting to Ian or mods, or generally supporting me off-board.

This includes at least one mod, incidentally.;)

Unfortunately a lot of the people I used to communicate with on-board on a regular basis had been scared away by Nathan's behaviour and a failure to do anything about him.

I was determined that wouldn't happen in my case, and it didn't, in spite of intense provocation at times.

 

I'm not going to get into any further debate with you over anything which is merely based on your opinion, insinuation or supposition.

 

Anyone on here has the right to communicate (or not) with whomever they want, and it has nothing to do with anyone else whatsoever. If they don't wish to communicate with anyone, there are certain procedures which can be followed, starting with (politely) telling the person concerned they don't wish to.

Simply ignoring them without at least doing this and explaining why (preferably via PM) is a bit rude in itself, though IMO.

 

That said, I feel like Nathan did influence me from that thread on, to believe that Mark's actions were a lot more persistent and attention seeking then maybe they actually were. He'd tell me about complaints from 14 year old girls as if they were daily, and as I was feeling a bit naive about the whole thing and never noticing Mark talking to kids, so I never asked questions. With that and noticing others such as Sara and Julie talking about how he's a big pedo, it becomes ingrained in a person to just believe it, like it's common knowledge, and it's bizarre more people aren't doing something about it.

 

And that's the problem with rumour-mongering which is allowed to get out of control.

Any intelligent person should have immediately recognised that these rumours were almost exclusively being spread by people with a known hatred of me and therefore should at least have been treated accordingly.

 

 

It seems like that little thing has gone around like Chinese whispers

It's usually hear'say, gone around the rumour mill, no real source

 

And that's the problem in a nutshell.

 

 

it's become such a well known forum joke that even writing a sentence with a :smug: ;) or :rolleyes: at the end will lead to someone calling you a pedo as a joke.

 

What joke? There's nothing funny about that whatoever. It's a bit like someone going around joking you're a thief, drug dealer or serial killer or something.

How would you like that?

 

For over-reacting, I'll apologise to Mark, if he's reading this, at times I focussed too much on the accusations.

 

From that point of view, your apology is accepted.

 

P.S. To whomever it might concern. Please don't try to turn this into another "fight" as I'm not interested and it will be a total waste of time.

 

I've only been here about two months, and all I've heard are bad things about Mark.

 

Which is why you should only judge people based on personal experience, not on what other people might have said.;)

I also agree that we shouldn't turn this into another fight, it's not what the forum needs. I'll make it as short as possible, and I'm not necessarily looking for a response (Of course feel free to, but this is the last post I'll make as I can't see there being much more to say if you do respond).

 

I didn't respond to Ren via PM because in his last post he said that if we ever wanted to contact him we could get his MSN off other members, so I'm assuming that he's never going to log-in again and the only way he'll see this is by lurking while logged out.

 

It may have been a 'shit-stir' but there were clearly some people who made valid points that they clearly needed to get off their chest, and then stopped posting. The reason it got to so many pages was because of people like me, who replied consistently and really bulked up the thread. I apologise for therefore turning it into a 'mobbing' thread, but the mobbing doesn't take away from things that certain users felt they had to say, and you should also acknowledge that the users I'm referring to never get involved in such arguments so clearly it was important to some people.

 

I did say that you will be friends to anyone who's nice to you and agrees with what you say, I didn't say that 100% of them are teenage girls, but teenage girls are nice, malleable, and easily influenced. So I'm sorry here, but when people like me, Ren and others still say it's creepy and weird when you consistently post around them, and you don't seem to take the hint when they make sarcastic responses or completely ignore you, that maybe you are bothering them, it looks really weird. Maybe you genuinely don't notice, but like I've said before, I do think you are arrogant, and unless someone tells you to literally fuck off and leave them alone, you will always assume they are your friend (Or in the case of Crest, influenced or not, she made a lengthy post about how you made her feel uncomfortable, and you still replied with a joke).

 

The last comment may be a bit nasty, but this whole post is how I feel. I'm done.

 

It may have been a 'shit-stir' but there were clearly some people who made valid points that they clearly needed to get off their chest, and then stopped posting. The reason it got to so many pages was because of people like me, who replied consistently and really bulked up the thread. I apologise for therefore turning it into a 'mobbing' thread, but the mobbing doesn't take away from things that certain users felt they had to say, and you should also acknowledge that the users I'm referring to never get involved in such arguments so clearly it was important to some people.

 

I don't actually know which users you're referring to, because as far as I can recall, the only people involved (certainly in public) were ones with an axe to grind for whatever reason. That was definitely the case until Nathan started PMing people or communicating with them off-board as part of his "crusade".;)

Also, as you didn't post for such a long time, how could you possibly know who had been involved in arguments or had said provocative stuff?

Once again, that's all conjecture on your part, nothing more.

 

I did say that you will be friends to anyone who's nice to you and agrees with what you say, I didn't say that 100% of them are teenage girls, but teenage girls are nice, malleable, and easily influenced.

 

Which, as Ren pointed out, Nathan used it to full advantage.;)

 

 

Maybe you genuinely don't notice, but like I've said before, I do think you are arrogant

 

As I've said before, the feeling is totally mutual. And as I've also said before, if you don't want to communicate with me, then don't. I don't actually give a t*ss, and if you're only going to be unpleasant, I would actually rather you didn't.

Hopefully I've now made that crystal clear too.

 

 

and unless someone tells you to literally fuck off and leave them alone, you will always assume they are your friend

 

Excuse me, but you appear to have forgotten this is a public message board.

How many people on here are actually real friends? Hardly any, I suggest.

That isn't the point of a message board as far as I'm aware, it's generally for discussion.

As I stated before, if someone feels they're actually being harassed (as I was by Nathan and one or two others), there are procedures that should be followed, starting with politely asking them (preferably in private) to "back off".

Eric (bruttino) has informed me that he tried this with Nathan via PM but it didn't work, eventually resulting in him (and Iz) quitting the board.

Hopefully they (and a few others) might now return.;)

 

 

(Or in the case of Crest, influenced or not, she made a lengthy post about how you made her feel uncomfortable, and you still replied with a joke).

 

That's not actually true. I didn't actually see the post until it was quoted by Gautama (who hadn't actually been posting in the thread, therefore I was immediately suspicious, as she has been openly hostile towards me in the past).

After that I only posted one comment referring to "trolls" before the mobbing started and I went away to try to get to the bottom of it all.

As I said, if there really was an "issue", it could have all be sorted out privately either directly or through a trusted third party like Ren.

That's the way it should have been handled IMO.

 

The last comment may be a bit nasty

 

I've got used to it from you over the years.;)

I've been on this website for over three years. I must admit whenever i read a new topic or I answer long-standing people that are now become friends, it makes my day. As for Mark (Mc_Squared), he's quite a nice guy that is witty and make people laugh. He has been on here for a while too so i can have a judgement about him. Don't have a judgement about what you're told but about the person you have chatted with. :inquisitive:

I've been on this website for two years. I must admit whenever i read a new topic or I answer long-standing people that are now become friends, it makes my day. As for Mark (Mc_Squared), he's quite a nice guy that is witty and make people laugh. He has been on here for a while too so i can have a judgement about him. Don't have a judgement about what you're told but about the person you have chatted with. :inquisitive:

 

Thanks for daring to say that. I appreciate it.;)

Legal Princess, did Mark contact you by PM, Facebook or another messaging service asking for your input?

 

I'm not saying he put the words directly in your mouth, but it does always seem suspicious that during pivotal times when Mark responds to posts, a supporter comes from out of nowhere.

Legal Princess, did Mark contact you by PM, Facebook or another messaging service asking for your input?

 

I'm not saying he put the words directly in your mouth, but it does always seem suspicious that during pivotal times when Mark responds to posts, a supporter comes from out of nowhere.

 

No way, everything i've just said comes from my own thoughts. Mark often goes to the French thread and everybody is delighted that he takes part to our conversation. His French is quite good. I'm still wondering what occured with the other guy and him. I'm amazed. There is never any problem with Mark in the French thread. I've noticed some people get rude with each other in some threads that I now avoid. It's a friendly website where people that love Coldplay have a feeling of togetherness while being on here. The problem is that there are other subjects that people don't always share whether they like them or not.

 

You're welcome, Mark.

Legal Princess, did Mark contact you by PM, Facebook or another messaging service asking for your input?

 

I'm not saying he put the words directly in your mouth, but it does always seem suspicious that during pivotal times when Mark responds to posts, a supporter comes from out of nowhere.

 

A bit like how whenever somebody started insulting me, a mob suddenly appeared from nowhere, for some unknown reason (for example in the Crests thread), you mean?:rolleyes:

As it happens, the only reason I've been contacting people (such as Tracie) these past few days has been to inform them it was safe to return to the board.

Ian himself even suggested I contacted one or two, such as Eric (bruttino) and Iz (marmellata), I had told him about.

No way, everything i've just said comes from my own thoughts. Mark often goes to the French thread and everybody is delighted that he takes part to our conversation. His French is quite good. I'm still wondering what occured with the other guy and him. I'm amazed. There is never any problem with Mark in the French thread. I've noticed some people get rude with each other in some threads that I now avoid. It's a friendly website where people that love Coldplay have a feeling of togetherness while being on here. The problem is that there are other subjects that people don't always share whether they like them or not.

 

You're welcome, Mark.

 

:cool:

I may as well add two cents here. Mark did contact me on FB, but only to tell me the forum was in a sad state. He never asked me to take a side, and he wasn't the only one to tell me on FB that things were bad. Ari also let me know and I saw other wall posts by other CP'ers. Older members know I've always gotten on fine with Mark, but will also remember that I'm almost Swiss in my neutrallity about fights,lol. Quite a few people both prompted and unprompted have come back to either offer their support to Ian or just see how things are here, and that can only be a good thing.

 

It seems most of the crap has died down anyway, so why not just put it to bed and let it go. I loved your post, Legal Princess. :)

Amen to that, Tracie. :thumbsup: can we all move on.......

I have a feeling the forum still needs another member or two banned.... just to make it even better :wacky:

I'm just glad the shit-disturber that made me sick of coming here is gone for good. There's always going to be conflict of a forum full of people with different views, but that's no different than being in a pub or any public place. If people disagree, fine, but if they're just being boors, they need to be bounced out.

I'm just glad the shit-disturber that made me sick of coming here is gone for good. There's always going to be conflict of a forum full of people with different views, but that's no different than being in a pub or any public place. If people disagree, fine, but if they're just being boors, they need to be bounced out.

 

Yeah I guess we all deserve to have a say at some point, relieves the stress and that, but I like this one:

 

Amen to that, Tracie. :thumbsup: can we all move on.......

^Me too, Reilly. :)

I have a feeling the forum still needs another member or two banned.... just to make it even better :wacky:

Yeah Ale we need to ban you. Don't you know everyone hates your closed-mindedness and excessive smiley use?

Yeah Ale we need to ban you. Don't you know everyone hates your closed-mindedness and excessive smiley use?

 

No just you

No just you

 

:lol: