you people do realize that he was a CIA and special forces agent during the afgan/soviet war in eighties

 

and had been trained by them

 

For those who don't know much about this:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA-Osama_bin_Laden_controversy

For those who don't know much about this:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA-Osama_bin_Laden_controversy

 

I'm sure I quoted that to you about 5 months ago when you were drunk haha.

Good news but I don't see why people keep using the term justice.

 

I would rather have seen him die in prison. Now he's dead he's just dead.

 

Yeah, I thought the same when I saw on the news Obama's speech saying justice was finally made. No wonder the USA still have the death penalty. Death = justice in their minds.

Its a great day in American history but I think we should be careful with what we all say about this

Yeah, I thought the same when I saw on the news Obama's speech saying justice was finally made. No wonder the USA still have the death penalty. Death = justice in their minds.

 

Well considering that not all of America has the death penalty, that throws other things to like. What is the legal ramifications of his death and who sanctioned his death? He is a man 'accused' of engineering 9/11, and somebody who has 'claimed' to have been behind it.

 

Obama has already said that last week he gave his permission for this to be carried out, but I don't see how without trial he could do this. I'm sure it will be argued that it comes under war-time laws as it is a war on terror, but that's not really a war. It's a vague statement, and one that anybody can make.

 

The whole thing is a symbolic victory. It isn't justice it is retribution in the eyes of those who lost loved ones to him, and I don't see that as a bad thing. Just don't use the word justice. For a country like America, built on the foundations it is built on such strong principles, to then bring up their children to see this as justice is appalling in my eyes. Very warped logic.

 

Anyway yeah, a symbolic victory, but Al Queda aren't really a threat any more, in comparison to other organisations, certainly not on the 9/11 scale. He wasn't even the main man any more.

 

These people are bread from poverty and oppression and so there will be many more to follow him. No option but to keep pushing I guess, but it's all about improving the lives of people world wide, if you want to stop extremism.

And a final point before I go to sleep. I understand many Muslims around the world distancing themselves from him and saying because of what he did he wasn't a Muslim, but he was. He interpreted things in a different way but that made him no less a Muslim. There are good religious people and bad religious people. He was a bad one. But he was one, and there is no denying it. Religion poisons everything and while I think the poverty and oppression people like bin Laden were brought up surrounded by, though maybe not directly influenced by in all cases, had more of an impact, the religion itself is very easy to manipulate to gain further strength and followers, such is the nature of it's man-made flaws.

didn't take them long did it. Obama should have announced it on 29th April, that would have been fun!

I heard a few weeks ago, on a wikileaks cable that a nuclear bomb will be detonated in Europe when its annouced he is dead.

I hope we get to see Judd Trump lift the snooker WC trophy first!

I think it's good they finally found him but there's no way that extremists just like himself are going to just let this go.

FBI slow on taking him off the most wanted list.

Come on! I wanna see who replaces him.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/02/bin-laden-body-buried-sea

Bin Laden's body buried at sea

 

The dilemma of what to do with Osama bin Laden's body appears to have been quickly resolved if reports that he has been buried at sea prove correct.

 

Burying him on land could have led to his grave becoming a centre of contention as well as raising questions about where he should be buried.

 

"Finding a country willing to accept the remains of the world's most wanted terrorist would have been difficult," a US official said, adding: "So the US decided to bury him at sea."

 

Fears about Bin Laden's burial place turning into a shrine for Islamists were probably unfounded, since the Wahhabi/Salafi tradition rejects such things. Even Saudi kings are buried in unmarked graves.

 

Senior US officials initially told news agencies that his body would be disposed of in accordance with Islamic tradition, which involves ritual washing, shrouding and burial within 24 hours.

 

Although the swift burial complies with Islamic custom and should therefore avoid causing any offence in Muslim countries, the apparent haste could lead to claims that the person killed was not really Bin Laden – though the US authorities have taken DNA samples and appear to have no doubts.

 

The 24-hour rule has not always been applied by the US in the past. For example, the bodies of Uday and Qusay Hussein – sons of the Iraqi dictator – were held for 11 days before being released for burial.

 

Burial at sea is rare in Islam, though several Muslim websites say it is permitted in certain circumstances.

 

One is on a long voyage where the body may decay before the ship reaches land. The other is if there is a risk of enemies digging up a land grave and exhuming or mutilating the body – a rule that could plausibly be applied in Bin Laden's case.

 

For sea burial, according to alislam.org, the body should be lowered into the water "in a vessel of clay or with a weight tied to its feet". The website adds: "As far as possible it should not be lowered at a point where it is eaten up immediately by the sea predators."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/may/02/osama-bin-laden-death-pakistan-isi

 

Osama bin Laden's death will haunt Pakistan

 

The extraordinary discovery that Osama bin Laden had been living, possibly since 2005, in a luxury compound in a popular summer resort a short drive from the national capital, Islamabad, is an enormous and dangerous embarrassment for Pakistan's government.

 

Officials from President Asif Ali Zardari downwards have consistently maintained that the al-Qaida chief was not sheltering on Pakistani soil, suggesting instead that the Americans look for him elsewhere, particularly in Afghanistan. The Pakistani stance was part of a wider policy of denial, dating back to the 9/11 attacks, premised on the argument that Pakistan was not the source and springboard for Islamist-inspired terrorism but rather its principal victim.

 

Islamabad's head-in-the-sand position, as it is seen by some analysts in the west, has led to intensifying friction with Washington in recent months, as the Obama administration struggles to bring an ordered end to its 10-year involvement in Afghanistan. There have been furious rows about unmanned cross-border drone attacks, the arrest in Lahore of a CIA contractor, and Pakistani criticism of US failure to open peace talks with the Taliban.

 

But all that is as nothing compared with what may now follow. Official denial-ism has also hampered Pakistan's efforts to deal forcefully with its own violent Islamists, the so-called Pakistani Taliban, with which al-Qaida is said to have links. Tens of thousands of people have died in Pakistan as a result of terrorist activity since 9/11, more than all the European and American victims combined.

 

Given this context, and amid predictions by western commentators of possible terrorist retaliation against US and British targets, it is Pakistanis, along with Afghans, who are most likely to pay a blood price in terms of revenge attacks for the slaying of a man who is seen by some in the Muslim world as an iconic figure.

 

Tellingly, the Pakistani government was not informed beforehand of the American special forces' raid. The truth is, US officials would simply not have trusted their counterparts in Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), Pakistan's powerful security and spy agency, with such sensitive information.

 

Extremely pointed questions are now certain to be asked about whether the ISI or its various branches and minions, knew of the existence of the highly unusual, heavily fortified, expensively built compound in Abbottabad, 35 miles north of Islamabad – and of its high-value, low-profile tenant. If they did, why did they not investigate? If they did not, was it because they didn't want to know?

 

The most damaging (and familiar) suspicion, which is certain to resurface in the coming days, is that elements within the ISI who have maintained links with terrorist groups such as the Haqqani network, did indeed know Bin Laden and his retinue were in Abbottabad, and by keeping silent, were effectively providing him with protection.

 

The Pakistani government will energetically deny any such suggestion. But given its tenuous control over the ISI, sometimes described as a state within a state, and given its record for candour to date, it will have a hard time being believed.

 

"When we saw the compound, we were shocked by what we saw: an extraordinarily unique compound," a senior US administration official said. The building, about eight times the size of other nearby houses, sat on a large plot of land that was relatively secluded when it was built in 2005. The villa had comprehensive security measures in place, the official said, including 12- to 18-foot outer walls topped with barbed wire and internal walls. Like some kind of medieval keep, two security gates restricted access. Only a few windows of the three-story building faced outwards, and its terrace had a seven-foot privacy wall, officials said.

 

Pakistan will now face possibly strong reactions not only from the Americans, but also from home-grown militants – plus possible spillover from Afghanistan, where fighting is in any case expected to intensify as the weather warms.

 

Renewed trouble could also extend to disputed Kashmir, where repression by Indian security forces of the Muslim population intensified last year and Pakistani Punjabi militant groups have a long history of involvement. Significantly, India was quick to point this out. The home ministry in New Delhi lost no time in saying the discovery of Bin Laden in Pakistan underscored its concern that "terrorists belonging to different organisations find sanctuary in Pakistan".

 

In Washington and New York as in London and Delhi, relief that the world's most wanted man has been killed will be tempered, and may yet be overtaken by deep anger that he was apparently living not in some freezing mountain cave, as many assumed, but freely, undisturbed and untroubled by the authorities, in comfort in a desirable Pakistani neighbourhood.

also I bet that with the announcement of Bin Ladens death that Donald Trump will probably be asking to see his death certificate :lol:

win

I think Obama uses the word justice in the sense that Bin Laden was stopped in his tracks once and for all whether that meant dead or alive. It is fairly simple. I think we would all have preferred for him to rot in prison but that just was never going to be the case. And clearly despite being on the run he was still a hugely influential figure in the running of Al Qaeda.

 

And burying him at sea? Conspiracy theorists are bound to at least want some evidence of his dead body.

I think Obama uses the word justice in the sense that Bin Laden was stopped in his tracks once and for all whether that meant dead or alive. Obviously despite being on the run he was still a hugely influential figure in the running of Al Qaeda.

 

And burying him at sea? Conspiracy theorists are bound to at least want some evidence of his dead body.

 

Well that isn't what justice means.

 

Yeah, conspiracy theorists will have a field day but if it wasn't him/nobody was killed, evidence of that would come out. It'll be him.

*waits for Mark to find some kind of light hearted Daily Mail story on it that bares little significance aside from novelty*

Well that isn't what justice means.

 

Yeah, conspiracy theorists will have a field day but if it wasn't him/nobody was killed, evidence of that would come out. It'll be him.

 

Oh come on. You know as well as I do that justice is a subject of many different forms. Whether you agree with some of these forms of justice is a matter of opinion.

The Daily Mail was one of the newspaper websites to publish the fake picture of Osama bin Laden's body.

 

S******.

Edit: I forget that word get's blocked. s n i g g e r.

Oh come on. You know as well as I do that justice is a subject of many different forms. Whether you agree with some of these forms of justice is a matter of opinion.

 

I don't see how all of the people using the word see it as justice. If they do then they are fools or at best electioneering.

I first heard the news shortly before 11pm EST. At first I was shocked, then honestly my next reaction was that I was a bit doubtful. Really, how do we know for sure? But then they revealed that there was facial recognition confirmation, and then DNA testing versus one of his sisters' DNA (she died of cancer in Boston, and then the government confiscated her brain solely for the purpose of future DNA testing... interesting). So then I believed it.

 

While initially this is good news, as other people here have mentioned the concern now is retaliation. Frankly I will be surprised if there isn't any kind of retaliation.

I don't see how all of the people using the word see it as justice. If they do then they are fools or at best electioneering.

 

I don't think diplomats and politicians use the term loosely. Yes it is justice but no it isn't quite closure

Well I don't see it as justice, but I'll agree to disagree as I can't be bothered.

Well I don't see it as justice, but I'll agree to disagree as I can't be bothered.

neither do I, thousands of people dead and there's still extremist out there.

Does the fact that I don't really care just mean I'm ignorant?

✓ Saddam Hussein, ✓ Osama Bin Laden, ☐ Justin Bieber

 

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