Nah, Sam Allardyce first.

Is anyone else's newsfeed consisting just of statuses about Bin Laden and complaints about wanting to know who got fired on Celebrity Apprentice or whatever? :|

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:laugh3:

 

in tweets in spanish chavez was added to that :lol:

Does the fact that I don't really care just mean I'm ignorant?

 

Well personally I think that what this could lead to could affect everyone, so it's worth at least looking into it a little, but no, if you aren't interested in it then you aren't interested in it.

 

I saw more Facebook statuses about the Royal Wedding than I have about this, but me not caring about it didn't make me ignorant. I just didn't care.

Eyes peeled for 'good day to bury bad news' style press.

Eyes peeled for 'good day to bury bad news' style press.

 

Indeed. Even on Friday I'm sure the government spin machine released a few unsettling figures/stats.

Gosh Tony Blair is looking old these days. Just seen him commenting on the news.

The amazing thing is that you people are talking about justice and we poor people of this country will suffer the result of all the wars.

 

And Usama and bush were two sides of the same coin

The amazing thing is that you people are talking about justice and we poor people of this country will suffer the result of all the wars.

 

And Usama and bush were two sides of the same coin

 

I know it's not justice and I really feel for the innocent people in all of this.

People just refer to it as being justice for 911 and for other terrorist attacks

I saw a programme on tv last year discussing how holding the office of President ages one rapidly. Fascinating how one grays so much sooner than they would otherwise !

And a final point before I go to sleep. I understand many Muslims around the world distancing themselves from him and saying because of what he did he wasn't a Muslim, but he was. He interpreted things in a different way but that made him no less a Muslim. There are good religious people and bad religious people. He was a bad one. But he was one, and there is no denying it. Religion poisons everything and while I think the poverty and oppression people like bin Laden were brought up surrounded by, though maybe not directly influenced by in all cases, had more of an impact, the religion itself is very easy to manipulate to gain further strength and followers, such is the nature of it's man-made flaws.

I agree with what you had to say Mr. Hitchens :lol:

 

But joking aside I do. I think that Obama put it right when he said that the US getting revenge wasn't an attack on Islam, because it isn't. However Bin Laden was a radical religious freak that used his religion to sway people into joining his crazy group and perform terrible things around the world. It becomes different when it's people using and twisting their religion for this.

 

Also Greg what you said about people standing out of the White House chanting USA, I hate to say it but I was kind of cringing a bit. Don't get me wrong I love living in this country and wouldn't trade it for any other one, but I've never really understood the whole National Pride thing to that level... I just find it annoying.

 

I first heard the news shortly before 11pm EST. At first I was shocked, then honestly my next reaction was that I was a bit doubtful. Really, how do we know for sure? But then they revealed that there was facial recognition confirmation, and then DNA testing versus one of his sisters' DNA (she died of cancer in Boston, and then the government confiscated her brain solely for the purpose of future DNA testing... interesting). So then I believed it.

 

While initially this is good news, as other people here have mentioned the concern now is retaliation. Frankly I will be surprised if there isn't any kind of retaliation.

 

I also was a little speculative, but I'm sure that if they announced something like this then they probably took the time to make sure they got him. I actually give Obama a lot of props for this in being able to keep it under very tight wraps for such a long time. I mean I remember after 9/11 there used to be a few reports that they knew where he was.

 

I do though agree about the fear of retaliation. I'm sure that something is going to happen, whether it be an increased amount of violence in countries that the US & it's allies are at war with, or even an attack. I hope that it doesn't happen but I sort of see his radical followers using this as a way to reignite their hatred.

Bin Laden is DEAD: Celebrations across America as U.S. special forces shoot dead terror chief in mansion hideaway in Pakistan

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• Terror chief blasted in head after refusing offer to surrender
  
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Osama Bin Laden has been killed by the U.S. military after a decade-long hunt to avenge the 9/11 attacks, President Barack Obama has revealed.

The 54-year-old leader of Al Qaeda was dramatically killed last night in a firefight with American special forces in a $1million mansion hideout around 60 miles from Pakistan's capital, Islamabad.

Experts used facial recognition techniques to identify the slain terrorist and performed DNA tests,

which are said to be 99.9 per cent certain man killed WAS Bin Laden.

U.S. officials have told broadcaster CNN that Bin Laden's body has already been buried at sea in order to prevent the grave from becoming a shrine for extremists.

 

 

 

 

 

Pit of evil: A king size bed where Bin Laden may have once slept at the secretive compound in Abbottabad. Blood from a gun battle can be seen at the foot of the mattress

 

 

 

Gun fight: A pool of blood on the floor suggests that one Al Qaeda member was shot close to their bed, while right, a wardrobe pulled open by U.S troops to ensure that none of Bin Laden's clan were hiding in the room

 

 

 

 

 

 

Carnage: Blood can be seen on the floor from where Osama was reportedly surrounded by three men, including his son, and a woman who formed a human shield against U.S. troops

 

In a dramatic statement late last night, President Obama said the U.S. military had recovered Bin Laden's body and confirmed to the world he had finally been killed.

‘Tonight I can report to the American people and the world that the United States has conducted an operation that killed Osama Bin Laden, the leader of Al Qaeda and a terrorist who is responsible for the murder of thousands of innocent men, women and children,’ he said. ‘Justice has been done’.

Officials said the body would be handled according to Islamic practice and tradition. That practice calls for the body to be buried within 24 hours. Saudi Arabia reportedly declined to take the body.

Within minutes of the news breaking, Americans began gathering outside the White House to sing the national anthem and chant: ‘USA! USA!'

Deserted: Nestled among trees and in the shadow of Pakistan's mountains, Bin Laden's hideaway stands empty today after a helicopter raid by U.S. troops that killed the terror chief yesterday

 

Enlarge Hideout: A large sheet covers the U.S. helicopter that crashed in the grounds of the compound where Bin Laden lived with his youngest wife and his trusted aides

 

In a spontaneous outpouring of emotion, thousands started cheering and clapping and waving American flags to show their support.

Large groups of Americans still hurting from the 9/11 attacks also gathered at 'ground zero' in New York to celebrate the news.

Paul Lagrandier, a retired New York firefighter who was part of the rescue for September 11 said he felt mixed emotions.

He told MailOnline: 'I'm saddened for the people who were affected by the tragedy and have to go through all this again.'

When asked what he thought about why it took so long to track down the terrorist, he said: 'I just knew we were working at it and we kept working at it. They stayed the course and accomplished the mission.'

 

 

Near miss: One of the U.S. helicopters crashed over a wall within the compound after coming under heavy fire from rocket propelled grenades. However, all special forces troops escaped safely

 

 

 

Guarded: Pakistani soldiers today patrol the compound where Bin Laden lived and was last night killed, and right, police stop people as they secure the scene

 

Clean up: The remains of the U.S. helicopter that crashed during the mission are driven away on a tractor through Abbottabad today

 

 

 

 

Hideout: The bin Laden compound was found only a few hundred yards from the military academy known as Pakistan's Sandhurst in the garrison town of Abbottabad, Pakistan

 

 

But the terror chief's death will undoubtedly put the Middle East on high alert for reprisal attacks. It will also lead to urgent demands from Washington as to how the most wanted man was allowed to seek refuge in a supposedly allied country as Pakistan.

U.S. military sources revealed tonight that Bin Laden had been taken by surprise by the attack by a small team of U.S. Navy Seals who landed in the grounds of the compound under the cover of nightfall.

 

He had been living at the luxury home with his youngest wife Amal al-Sadah.

 

The facility, surrounded by high walls and barbed wire, is in a suburban part of Pakistan, although it is unclear if the country's officials or local residents knew that Bin Laden lived there.

 

Details of his residence - in a major hub for tourists visiting the region - will cast new questions over Britain's relationship with Pakistan. British aid to the country was last year doubled to £60m.

 

 

Abbattobad: The remote town in northern Pakistan, named after James Abbott, the British major who founded the town in 1853, sits beneath towering hills

 

 

During an operation in which troops were on the ground for just 40 minutes, they stormed the terror chief's hideaway.

 

 

 

Mixed emotions: Grief etched into his face, a father among cheering crowds outside the White House clutches the pictures of his son killed on 9/11, while right, two supporters pain their faces with the colours of the USA

 

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1382649/Osama-bin-Laden-dead-US-Navy-Seals-kill-terror-chief-near-Islamabad-Paskistan.html#ixzz1LD622Ab9

‎10 years, 2 wars, 919,967 deaths, and $1,188,263,000,000 (interest and inflation not included) later, we managed to kill one person. Worth it?

 

Probably not.

 

Good news but I don't see why people keep using the term justice.

 

I would rather have seen him die in prison. Now he's dead he's just dead.

 

Yup.

 

Yup.

 

Good news of course, and massive news, but the reaction sure is interesting. Some very unChristian-like responses from public figures who believe in all that bullshit haha. Yet at the same time they feel like his death is justice. Sounds like he got away with it quite easily to me. A decade roaming around with relative freedom (considering what he actually did) and now he's dead. Hardly been punished if you ask me.

 

If anyone on this board did this:

 

You are simple.

 

Well considering that not all of America has the death penalty, that throws other things to like. What is the legal ramifications of his death and who sanctioned his death? He is a man 'accused' of engineering 9/11, and somebody who has 'claimed' to have been behind it.

 

Obama has already said that last week he gave his permission for this to be carried out, but I don't see how without trial he could do this. I'm sure it will be argued that it comes under war-time laws as it is a war on terror, but that's not really a war. It's a vague statement, and one that anybody can make.

 

The whole thing is a symbolic victory. It isn't justice it is retribution in the eyes of those who lost loved ones to him, and I don't see that as a bad thing. Just don't use the word justice. For a country like America, built on the foundations it is built on such strong principles, to then bring up their children to see this as justice is appalling in my eyes. Very warped logic.

 

Anyway yeah, a symbolic victory, but Al Queda aren't really a threat any more, in comparison to other organisations, certainly not on the 9/11 scale. He wasn't even the main man any more.

 

These people are bread from poverty and oppression and so there will be many more to follow him. No option but to keep pushing I guess, but it's all about improving the lives of people world wide, if you want to stop extremism.

 

And a final point before I go to sleep. I understand many Muslims around the world distancing themselves from him and saying because of what he did he wasn't a Muslim, but he was. He interpreted things in a different way but that made him no less a Muslim. There are good religious people and bad religious people. He was a bad one. But he was one, and there is no denying it. Religion poisons everything and while I think the poverty and oppression people like bin Laden were brought up surrounded by, though maybe not directly influenced by in all cases, had more of an impact, the religion itself is very easy to manipulate to gain further strength and followers, such is the nature of it's man-made flaws.

 

Well I don't see it as justice, but I'll agree to disagree as I can't be bothered.

 

Thank you, Greg. Seriously. Thank you.

 

Also Greg what you said about people standing out of the White House chanting USA, I hate to say it but I was kind of cringing a bit.

 

Yes!

I'm not trying to be a conspiracy theorist here, but...

 

RPG's flying everywhere, one helicopter crashed, dozens of Osama's personal security guards, and not a single US troop was killed or injured? Doesn't add up.

 

Also some of the people tweeting from Abbottabad said they didn't see any US troops.

 

Not sure what any of this means, but it might be something worth thinking about...

"Umma Name my girlfriends G-Spot "Osama"...Because it took me 10 years to find but once I did I killed that shit!"

:lol:

 

:dead:

Obama 1 Osama 0 :smug:

Allegedly the 'lead' described by Obama came from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed who was repeatedly subjected to waterboarding methods at Guantanamo Bay and eventually provided the name of Bin Laden's courier according to Wikileaks.

 

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/pakistan/8488436/WikiLeaks-Osama-bin-Laden-killed-after-tip-off-from-his-deputy.html

^Yea fucking right. Just an excuse for the US to use more torture. That guy has been in prison for years, there's not a chance in hell he knew the names of Bin Laden's couriers.

^Yea fucking right. Just an excuse for the US to use more torture. That guy has been in prison for years, there's not a chance in hell he knew the names of Bin Laden's couriers.

 

I would believe it. But I certainly don't think it justifies torture,

A life of luxury next door to Pakistan's Sandhurst: So how can military chiefs claim they knew nothing about Bin Laden's whereabouts?

 

 

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Snaring Osama bin Laden will give a much-needed boost to the Obama administration but could lead to a real deterioration in relations between Pakistan and the West, observers have suggested.

Though the Muslim-majority state has become one of Washington's key allies in the fight against terrorism, elements within its ISI intelligence agency have long been accused of aiding the Taliban in Afghanistan and showing sympathy for militant Islamism.

Now the revelation that Bin Laden - the most notorious terrorist of modern times - was living in a comfortable mansion only a few hundred yards from the military academy known as Pakistan's Sandhurst raises serious questions about a supposed ally.

 

Cornered: The hideout of Al Qaeda leader Osama Bin Laden in Abbottabad where he was killed in the early hours of Sunday morning

 

 

Operation: Soldiers stand over the debris of a U.S. military helicopter which was destroyed during the raid

 

The Pakistani authorities were quick to insist that they had no prior knowledge that the world's most wanted man was living in the garrison town of Abbottabad, only a few hundred yards from the academy.

But an MP with strong links to Pakistan said he was 'flabbergasted and shocked' that the Al Qaeda leader could have found a safe haven in a town where thousands of troops are based.

Khalid Mahmood, chair of the parliamentary all-party group on tackling terrorism, said: 'I am absolutely flabbergasted that the authorities either allowed that to continue or weren't aware of it.

'If they weren't aware, it was huge incompetence. There are certainly huge issues to be considered.'

Abbottabad could be compared with a British town such as Aldershot for its dominance by the armed forces, said Mr Mahmood.

'If he had been in the mountains of Peshawar, that might have been acceptable, but in a key town in Pakistan, I am amazed that that has been allowed to happen. How is it that they have never found him there?'

The exact role of Pakistan in shielding Bin Laden is particularly controversial as the country has received so much aid from Britain.

Last month, David Cameron announced a £650million grant to fund schools on a visit to the region.

 

 

Protest: Pro-Bin Laden supporters from Islamic political party Jamiat Ulma-e-Islam Nazaryati demonstrate in the wake of his death in Quetta, Pakistan

 

Gareth Price, senior research fellow on the Asia programme at Chatham House, said that if the Pakistani security forces were found to have colluded with Al Qaeda, the repercussions could be devastating for international relations.

'It would effectively take a bad relationship and make it worse,' he said.

'People have so far managed to work around a bad relationship but there must be questions of how bad the relationship can be.

'If it is true that no one knew he (Bin Laden) was there, then maybe things can carry on as they were. The question which will be asked now is who knew about it.'

If it transpires that Bin Laden's presence was more widely known than has previously been suggested, he said relationships with Pakistan could 'break down entirely'.

'It's hard to think that they could carry on working together, if that is the case,' he added.

His views were echoed by Maha Azzam, an expert in Middle East politics and the ideology of Al Qaeda.

'There will now be many questions asked as to whether the Pakistan government knew of Bin Laden's whereabouts.

'There is a lot of work to be done but they have removed a major obstacle so that will be some relief.'

Offering a more positive perspective, she said the removal of such a controversial figure could be a starting point for improved relations between Pakistan and the West.

But she added: 'The U.S. will have to appease the concerns that the Pakistanis may have because the Pakistani public will be very concerned now to see a change in U.S. policy in Pakistan and an end to the drone attacks that have been happening in their country.'

 

Shock news: People buy newspapers reporting the killing of Bin Laden in Karachi, Pakistan

 

Even after former president Pervez Musharraf signed up to the U.S.-led war on terror in 2001 - taking billions in American military aid in return - suspicions persisted that no real effort was being made to root out extremism in Pakistan.

A report by the House of Commons Foreign Affairs Committee in March stated: 'Prior to 2001, overt Pakistani support in the form of diplomatic recognition to the former Taliban government was combined with more clandestine backing for proxy terrorist groups in Afghanistan, in many instances created and shored up by the ISI... which continues to drive foreign policy, in spite of the existence of a civilian government.

'Today, Pakistan's border areas with Afghanistan provide ungoverned space from which Al Qaeda and other militant and organised crime groups operate.'

The committee warned last year of 'a lack of uniform and widespread support within the military and ISI for the need to tackle the Afghan insurgency from within Pakistan'.

And Prime Minister David Cameron made clear last year that there were continuing suspicions about Pakistan's activities by saying that the UK would not 'tolerate in any sense the idea that this country is allowed to look both ways and is able in any way to promote the export of terror'.

MI5 chief Jonathan Evans warned last September that around half of all 'priority plots and leads' related to terrorism in the UK were linked to Pakistan - though this was down from 75 per cent thanks to pressure being put on Al Qaeda in the country.

While it may be a long time before the lie of the land becomes clear, one thing is certain - Bin Laden's death, shortly before the 10th anniversary of September 11, has come as a huge relief to many.

John Gearson, reader in terrorism studies and director of the Centre for Defence Studies at King's College, London, said: 'Their inability to get him would have made September 11 very awkward for the Obama administration.

'Now it sends out the opposite signal that America pursued him relentlessly and now they have got him.'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1382773/Bin-Laden-What-does-mean-US-Pakistan-relations.html#ixzz1LDybh9MJ

And a final point before I go to sleep. I understand many Muslims around the world distancing themselves from him and saying because of what he did he wasn't a Muslim, but he was. He interpreted things in a different way but that made him no less a Muslim. There are good religious people and bad religious people. He was a bad one. But he was one, and there is no denying it. Religion poisons everything and while I think the poverty and oppression people like bin Laden were brought up surrounded by, though maybe not directly influenced by in all cases, had more of an impact, the religion itself is very easy to manipulate to gain further strength and followers, such is the nature of it's man-made flaws.

 

I'm muslim and believe me when i say this, most muslims loved him coz they thought he would be able to get JUSTICE for all the muslims killed in Afghanistan, pakistan and iraq.

 

and only people like me who are afraid to be isolated say he was not a muslim

 

 

I'm not trying to be a conspiracy theorist here, but...

 

RPG's flying everywhere, one helicopter crashed, dozens of Osama's personal security guards, and not a single US troop was killed or injured? Doesn't add up.

 

Also some of the people tweeting from Abbottabad said they didn't see any US troops.

 

Not sure what any of this means, but it might be something worth thinking about...

 

we general public in pakistan believe he was killed somewhere else but as a punishment coz we were not good enough bull dogs we got the blame for keeping him hidden:laugh3:

He shouldn't have put his real address when registering for the Playstation Network :P

 

He either died 4 years ago or he is still alive, with all this "we killed him" as a stunt.

The Obama chest bump. :laugh3:

 

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Everyone on CNN.com (go read the comments) seems to think this is a conspiracy to get Obama re-elected.

 

I say, if everyone "knows" its a conspiracy, then Obama won't get re-elected. Not everything is a conspiracy people... What do they need to do to prove it? Deliver the body to your door step? I don't even think that would be enough to convince most of the people who believe this crap.

 

Here's something cool: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor

 

And why is everyone arguing over the meaning of justice? Let's not bring religion into this. In terms of criminal law and accountability, yes, it is justice.