Let's not bring religion into this.

 

Agreed. Extremism has nothing to do with religion. It just uses religion as a convenient "conduit".;)

It's a good thing hes gone but is it going to put an end to the wars around the world or stop other extremists springing up to take his place?, unfortunatly not.

It's a good thing hes gone but is it going to put an end to the wars around the world or stop other extremists springing up to take his place?, unfortunatly not.

 

There will always be extremists, unfortunately.:(

It's a good thing hes gone but is it going to put an end to the wars around the world or stop other extremists springing up to take his place?

 

Yes.

 

unfortunatly not.

 

Oh. :blank:

 

There will always be extremists, unfortunately.:(

 

Well spotted, I'll add to this and say that I think extremists are bad.

 

 

Well spotted, I'll add to this and say that I think extremists are bad.

 

Only bad?:rolleyes:

Agreed. Extremism has nothing to do with religion. It just uses religion as a convenient "conduit".;)

 

I disagree, but I'm not getting into it here. I've said all I want in other threads.

I find the concept of religion in all it's forms rather extreme in its very nature.

Only bad?:rolleyes:

 

That's another good point, in fact I'll go as far as to say extremism is very bad. :blank:

I agree with what you had to say Mr. Hitchens :lol:

 

I bet he's glad he's lasted long enough to see this.

Greg can I ask for your opinion of extremists? The general feeling is that they are bad. Oh and they will be around forever.

Greg can I ask for your opinion of extremists? The general feeling is that they are bad. Oh and they will be around forever.

 

On a scale of one to ten, ten being bad, they are at least a 7.2.

They can survive the sun exploding too, so I wouldn't put it past them to last that long.

I'm muslim and believe me when i say this, most muslims loved him coz they thought he would be able to get JUSTICE for all the muslims killed in Afghanistan, pakistan and iraq.

 

and only people like me who are afraid to be isolated say he was not a muslim

 

 

 

 

we general public in pakistan believe he was killed somewhere else but as a punishment coz we were not good enough bull dogs we got the blame for keeping him hidden:laugh3:

 

Yes, it is the people who are afraid who say he isn't a Muslim, but that is just because you are distancing your self from him. He was a Muslim. This does not mean it was your fault though, of course. I'm pretty sure nobody is saying that. But to say he wasn't a Muslim just because he interpreted it a different way is just a get out clause. Many Catholics disagree with the Pope's view on things, but they don't claim he isn't a Catholic.

 

And from what I've seen, whether it's cricket scandals or bin Laden, Pakistan never seem to think they have done anything wrong and always seem to think it's a massive conspiracy against them, and only them and therefore spend a lot of time feeling sorry for yourself. The truth is, it is very hard to pull off such a conspiracy in the 'oppositions' country (if that's how you are viewing yourself) and get away with it, without you being able to see through it and find evidence of it, and we shall see if Pakistan manages it. The world is now watching for them to prove America wrong.

Thank you, Greg. Seriously. Thank you.

 

Thank you, for taking the time to read. Sometimes I wonder if people bother haha.

I'm not going to go deep into this discussion because these things can go on forever. However, I think people are intellectualizing what is a very natural and emotional response. To me, this is no different than a crazy man entering your house without provocation and shooting your entire family only to go on TV and unabashedly take credit for the entire thing. For many Americans, we knew people who died in one of the plane crashes or jumped out of a burning World Trade Center building to their death. These were our friends and our family - good people who were just living their lives. So while I was not in the streets chanting "USA-USA", I do understand the feelings that many Americans are having right now. I would imagine many of you would have similar feelings if it were your friends or family that were murdered.

I'm not going to go deep into this discussion because these things can go on forever. However, I think people are intellectualizing what is a very natural and emotional response. To me, this is no different than a crazy man entering your house without provocation and shooting your entire family only to go on TV and unabashedly take credit for the entire thing. For many Americans, we knew people who died in one of the plane crashes or jumped out of a burning World Trade Center building to their death. These were our friends and our family - good people who were just living their lives. So while I was not in the streets chanting "USA-USA", I do understand the feelings that many Americans are having right now. I would imagine many of you would have similar feelings if it were your friends or family that were murdered.

 

Not disputed.

Nor have I done anywhere in the thread.

In agreement with almost all of it, and not in disagreement (as such) with any of it.

I disagree, but I'm not getting into it here. I've said all I want in other threads.

I find the concept of religion in all it's forms rather extreme in its very nature.

 

I disagree. I don't practice any religion and nor do I want to practice any religion but the problem though is religions tackling the real extremist factions of it. And sadly that doesn't seem to be the case. There is absolutely no harm done though by those practising on a liberal level.

I disagree.

 

Belief of such baffling ridiculousness is extreme in my eyes, though of a different level when compared to people with extremist religious views, naturally.

Belief in a God much less so.

But you don't have to be part of a religion to believe in a God, not that I personally do anyway, though I have nothing against people doing so.

^That. And I'm a Christian, but I'm not part of say, an organized religion. I disagree highly with it.

 

"All body bags are equally tragic, whether americans killed by terrorists or terrorists killed by americans."

Osama Bin Laden was a time when invited to the White House sorry but that eventually harvest what ? strange is leader Buch. The Texas is the condanation to death and the worst atrocity in human history.

Buch and always says in the name of God. War is open.

 

sorry but the human rights and national security is very low and foolish to criticize the others nations :\

I disagree. I don't practice any religion and nor do I want to practice any religion but the problem though is religions tackling the real extremist factions of it. And sadly that doesn't seem to be the case. There is absolutely no harm done though by those practising on a liberal level.

 

Supporting machines which are inherently sexist, homophobic and infringe on peoples lives to such an extent is absolutely no harm done? Fair enough. But we've been through this.

Supporting machines which are inherently sexist, homophobic and infringe on peoples lives to such an extent is absolutely no harm done? Fair enough. But we've been through this.

 

I kinda disagree with this statement.

 

Like for example, It's not inherently homophobic, that's the way people have made it.

So yes, God say, doesn't like it when two people of the same gender have sex. He also doesn't like it when people have it before marriage, or with someone else when they're married, yet none are so condemned by these people as homosexuals. It's all the same, and God loves them all the same. It never says once to treat them the way people who claim to be such followers do, it teaches to love unconditionally. Therefore, it's the peoples' faults and hypocrisy.

I'm not part of say, an organized religion. I disagree highly with it.

 

How long have you felt this way, if it's not such a personal thing to ask?

 

How long have you felt this way, if it's not such a personal thing to ask?

 

what exactly is it you mean?

Belief of such baffling ridiculousness is extreme in my eyes, though of a different level when compared to people with extremist religious views, naturally.

Belief in a God much less so.

But you don't have to be part of a religion to believe in a God, not that I personally do anyway, though I have nothing against people doing so.

 

"Machines" that spout homophobic ramblings etc etc. Yes it's completely wrong and that's the bad side of religion but unfortunately people haven't moved with the times. These feelings were very common thousands of years back when such scripture was written and such feelings merely influenced such passages (passed off as God's own word of course) which is why it's totally wrong. But that's something that isn't pinpointed clearly by militant religious freaks and militant atheists. I think both sets seem to take such writings as having been written yesterday. Thankfully there are people within religion who do realise that.

 

What do you think about deism?

I kinda disagree with this statement.

 

Like for example, It's not inherently homophobic, that's the way people have made it.

So yes, God say, doesn't like it when two people of the same gender have sex. He also doesn't like it when people have it before marriage, or with someone else when they're married, yet none are so condemned by the people as homosexuals. It's all the same, and God loves them all the same. It never says once to treat them the way people who claim to be such followers do,it teaches to love everyone unconditionally. Therefore, it's the peoples' faults and hypocrisy.

 

But why would a God not allow practicing homosexuals in humanity, but would in the rest of the animal kingdom. And why would a God care about humans anyway, when you consider everything that has come before us and will come after us? Why does he need some form of moral conscience? And why are humans so vain as to assume any form of connection with a God if there was one? Do you not find that awful? Who are these special people who God talks to and let's them know all these wonderful snippets of information on the rules to live our lives? Why are things so strict when it comes to sex and does a gay man having gay sex really result in him going to hell forever? Wtf?

 

That'd be what I'd have posted if I was in the relevant thread haha.

But why would a God not allow practicing homosexuals in humanity, but would in the rest of the animal kingdom. And why would a God care about humans anyway, when you consider everything that has come before us and will come after us? Why does he need some form of moral conscience? And why are humans so vain as to assume any form of connection with a God if there was one? Do you not find that awful? Who are these special people who God talks to and let's them know all these wonderful snippets of information on the rules to live our lives? Why are things so strict when it comes to sex and does a gay man having gay sex really result in him going to hell forever? Wtf?

 

That'd be what I'd have posted if I was in the relevant thread haha.

 

An increasingly small minority of Christians think that way you see. Christian's aren't all religious fanatics from the deep South.