Mark Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 It doesn't sound common time to me. Maybe 7/8 or 5/4?Ā I don't know. I can't play anything out of 4/4 or 6/8, but maybe some talented musicians will know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleggy Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 Well it's definitely not 4/4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted August 20, 2011 Author Share Posted August 20, 2011 Well it's definitely not 4/4.Ā It sounds like a bar of 6/4 followed by three bars of 4/4. Which wouldn't be a surprise as Violet Hill's chorus enters 6/4.Ā But as I say, I'm clueless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted August 20, 2011 Author Share Posted August 20, 2011 I'm reliably informed it's 6/8 and then 4/4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleggy Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 You're probably right, I was thinking of the first part of the guitar solo when i said it's not in 4/4. The part where the notes are Bb, C, D (the second part of the solo) is in 4/4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megalomania Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 It almost feels like the first part where the song is picking up a bit:Ā Ā (this video is my reference point lol) [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHutHOnfLpY&feature=fvst]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHutHOnfLpY&feature=fvst[/ame]Ā at about :30 would be better described as cut time (essentially a fast 4/4 that is cut in half), before switching to 4/4 for the part where Chris is singing (1:03). . . I play clarinet in a symphonic band so I'm familiar with time signatures, but I feel like the guitar intro is baffling me. . . doesn't quite feel like 6/8 imo but I could be wrong. I'll ask my brother and Violet to double check. :PĀ And finally, and interesting thread in the Mylo Xyloto section! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted August 21, 2011 Author Share Posted August 21, 2011 Yeah there's definitely 4/4 in there, it just carries two extra bars at one point, methinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ante06 Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 It's 4/4 most of the time, except in first bar of guitar solo (6/4) and in first bar of verse (6/4). Ā So, in this video: 0.28 - 0.31 is 6/4 and then 4/4. Same thing with 0.42 - 0.44 (6/4), followed by 4/4, until 0.54 - 0.57 (6/4):Ā ............I....sto..le.the....key 1....2....3....4....5....6..|..1....2....3....4....| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megalomania Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 My brother said it's all in 4/4 time. :|Ā Violet hasn't responded yet. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ante06 Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 It is not in 4/4 all the time, that's for sure. Most of the time - yes, but there are some moments where it turns into 6/4 (or two bars with 3/4, whatever you prefer).Ā And it's not really anything unusual to do it that way. I wonder is this the first time Coldplay does it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HandyAndy136 Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 Just had a listen to the Rock IM Ring version on YouTube. Sounds awfully like one bar of 4/4, then one bar of 2/4, then two bars of 4/4 again. Awfully similar to Everything in its Right Place (by Radiohead) :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotFever Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 Just had a listen to the Rock IM Ring version on YouTube. Sounds awfully like one bar of 4/4, then one bar of 2/4, then two bars of 4/4 again. Awfully similar to Everything in its Right Place (by Radiohead) :)Ā Oh, you're right in the EIIRP thing, they re similar.Ā It's 6/4, 4/4, 4/4, 4/4, 4/4, 4/4, 4/4; Repeat: 6/4, 4/4, 4/4, 4/4, 4/4, 4/4, 4/4... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hartroc Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 It's 6/4, 4/4, 4/4, 4/4, 4/4, 4/4, 4/4; Repeat: 6/4, 4/4, 4/4, 4/4, 4/4, 4/4, 4/4...Ā Or 4/4, 2/4, 4/4, 4/4, 4/4, 4/4, 4/4, 4/4, depending on how you count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PianoRocker Posted August 24, 2011 Share Posted August 24, 2011 The only place where I saw the correct time signature is in the first post.Ā It is: 4 bars 7/8, 4 bars 4/4 and repeat.Ā So:Ā 7/8 | 7/8 | 7/8 | 7/8 4/4 | 4/4 | 4/4 | 4/4Ā Here is my tab/sheet: http://coldplaying.com/forum/showthread.php?t=77191 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ante06 Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 Sorry, that's just wrong, there is no 7/8 in Charlie Brown. :) I can write sheet music if you want. :) Ā STW is right, Hartroc too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PianoRocker Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 And on what do you base that?Ā On the sheetmusic 4x 7/8, 4x 4/4 looks lots better and the notes fits better.Ā I've compared it with the 4/4 2/4 4/4 etc. Look here for the sheets:Ā 7/8: http://stephanhondeveld.com/sheets/charliebrown.png 2/4: http://stephanhondeveld.com/sheets/charliebrown44.pngĀ They both are possible and both of them somehow fits: 3rd and 4th bar of 2/4 fits better for the lead guitar. However the 7/8 fits better for the rhythm guitar and the two first bars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ante06 Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 No, both are not possible because you have to consider the role of the beats in 4/4 (2/4) and those in 7/8. Look at my score, I put '>' sign on the downbeat, where it should be and what is the main reason why it is 4/4+2/4 and not 7/8.Ā Try to play with this simplified harmony, and you will see the difference.Ā http://i53.tinypic.com/2isghs8.jpgĀ p.s. It's g-minor/B-flat-major. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dany93 Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 I think the song alternates 3/4 and 4/4... For example, Jonnyboy's solo at the beginning is:Ā 3/4 4/4 4/4 4/4 (and repeats)Ā Then it goes:Ā 3/4 4/4 4/4 (finishing with "took what they offered me")Ā Then this^ structure repeats, then there's Jonny's solo again... From "In my scarecrow dreams" to "combusting the concrete" is again 3/4 4/4 4/4. "Be a cartoon heart" is 3/4, then an empty 4/4, and then from "Light a fire" to "glowing in the" is 4/4. Then Jonny's solo. The "All the boys, all the girls" I think it's 4/4. Now we have again Jonny's riff, and the "So we saw" part starts with a 3/4 beat and keeps on with 4/4 until the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted August 25, 2011 Author Share Posted August 25, 2011 Just had a listen to the Rock IM Ring version on YouTube. Sounds awfully like one bar of 4/4, then one bar of 2/4, then two bars of 4/4 again. Awfully similar to Everything in its Right Place (by Radiohead) :)Ā Everything In Its Right Place is in 10/8 I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PianoRocker Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 No, both are not possible because you have to consider the role of the beats in 4/4 (2/4) and those in 7/8. Look at my score, I put '>' sign on the downbeat, where it should be and what is the main reason why it is 4/4+2/4 and not 7/8.Ā Try to play with this simplified harmony, and you will see the difference.Ā http://i53.tinypic.com/2isghs8.jpgĀ p.s. It's g-minor/B-flat-major. :)Ā Still it won't fit. In your sheet you say it's a full 4/4 bar(the Gm). However if you play it with the song and count it will not fit in 4/4. The Gm is played 7 times instead of 8, the downbeat is earlier. Listen carefully!:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ante06 Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 Still it won't fit. In your sheet you say it's a full 4/4 bar(the Gm). ... The Gm is played 7 times instead of 8, the downbeat is earlier.Ā No, not every Will's 'kick' means downbeat. :) Theoretically - irrelevant to time signature. That's why I wrote "simplified harmony" in my earlier post. Ā Key point is 9th tone in melody - tone 'd'. It's on obviously downbeat and not third beat (downbeat) in 7/8 as your score suggested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PianoRocker Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 I'm not talking about any kickdrum. :confused:Ā I'm neither pointing at Jonny's riff, I'm pointing at the rhythm(Chris's part etc.) there it just doesn't seem right in the first two bars of 4/4 - 2/4. I must say that the third and fourth does seem more right in 4/4.Ā Maybe we are both wrong and they just put the first two bars together and the third and fourth in 4/4. It won't follow the correct pattern but it fits best. :lol: I mean: 12/8 - 4/4 - 4/4 and repeat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ante06 Posted August 25, 2011 Share Posted August 25, 2011 I mean: 12/8 - 4/4 - 4/4 and repeatĀ And as 12/8 is = 6/4 (and is a more neat), we come to my first post saying: 6/4 - 4/4 - 4/4. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skin&Bones Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 I really sounds like 6/4 to me for the guitar solo but then changes to 4/4 for 'I stole the key'... but I'm not much of a musician :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyWhiteHeat Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 I just joined this forum cos this thread was bugging me! The Charlie Brown riff is a bar of 6/8 and then the remainder is in 4/4. Ā It's not 6/4, which is more acoustically similar to 3/4 - for example, Coldplay's song Shiver is in 6/4. Trust me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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