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Charlie Brown time signature


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It almost feels like the first part where the song is picking up a bit:

 

 

(this video is my reference point lol)

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHutHOnfLpY&feature=fvst]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHutHOnfLpY&feature=fvst[/ame]

 

at about :30 would be better described as cut time (essentially a fast 4/4 that is cut in half), before switching to 4/4 for the part where Chris is singing (1:03). . . I play clarinet in a symphonic band so I'm familiar with time signatures, but I feel like the guitar intro is baffling me. . . doesn't quite feel like 6/8 imo but I could be wrong. I'll ask my brother and Violet to double check. :P

 

And finally, and interesting thread in the Mylo Xyloto section!

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It's 4/4 most of the time, except in first bar of guitar solo (6/4) and in first bar of verse (6/4).

 

So, in this video: 0.28 - 0.31 is 6/4 and then 4/4. Same thing with 0.42 - 0.44 (6/4), followed by 4/4, until 0.54 - 0.57 (6/4):

 

............I....sto..le.the....key

1....2....3....4....5....6..|..1....2....3....4....|

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It is not in 4/4 all the time, that's for sure. Most of the time - yes, but there are some moments where it turns into 6/4 (or two bars with 3/4, whatever you prefer).

 

And it's not really anything unusual to do it that way. I wonder is this the first time Coldplay does it...

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Just had a listen to the Rock IM Ring version on YouTube. Sounds awfully like one bar of 4/4, then one bar of 2/4, then two bars of 4/4 again. Awfully similar to Everything in its Right Place (by Radiohead) :)

 

Oh, you're right in the EIIRP thing, they re similar.

 

It's 6/4, 4/4, 4/4, 4/4, 4/4, 4/4, 4/4; Repeat: 6/4, 4/4, 4/4, 4/4, 4/4, 4/4, 4/4...

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And on what do you base that?

 

On the sheetmusic 4x 7/8, 4x 4/4 looks lots better and the notes fits better.

 

I've compared it with the 4/4 2/4 4/4 etc.

Look here for the sheets:

 

7/8: http://stephanhondeveld.com/sheets/charliebrown.png

2/4: http://stephanhondeveld.com/sheets/charliebrown44.png

 

They both are possible and both of them somehow fits: 3rd and 4th bar of 2/4 fits better for the lead guitar.

However the 7/8 fits better for the rhythm guitar and the two first bars.

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No, both are not possible because you have to consider the role of the beats in 4/4 (2/4) and those in 7/8. Look at my score, I put '>' sign on the downbeat, where it should be and what is the main reason why it is 4/4+2/4 and not 7/8.

 

Try to play with this simplified harmony, and you will see the difference.

 

http://i53.tinypic.com/2isghs8.jpg

 

p.s. It's g-minor/B-flat-major. :)

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I think the song alternates 3/4 and 4/4... For example, Jonnyboy's solo at the beginning is:

 

3/4 4/4 4/4 4/4 (and repeats)

 

Then it goes:

 

3/4 4/4 4/4 (finishing with "took what they offered me")

 

Then this^ structure repeats, then there's Jonny's solo again...

From "In my scarecrow dreams" to "combusting the concrete" is again 3/4 4/4 4/4.

"Be a cartoon heart" is 3/4, then an empty 4/4, and then from "Light a fire" to "glowing in the" is 4/4.

Then Jonny's solo. The "All the boys, all the girls" I think it's 4/4.

Now we have again Jonny's riff, and the "So we saw" part starts with a 3/4 beat and keeps on with 4/4 until the end.

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Just had a listen to the Rock IM Ring version on YouTube. Sounds awfully like one bar of 4/4, then one bar of 2/4, then two bars of 4/4 again. Awfully similar to Everything in its Right Place (by Radiohead) :)

 

Everything In Its Right Place is in 10/8 I believe.

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No, both are not possible because you have to consider the role of the beats in 4/4 (2/4) and those in 7/8. Look at my score, I put '>' sign on the downbeat, where it should be and what is the main reason why it is 4/4+2/4 and not 7/8.

 

Try to play with this simplified harmony, and you will see the difference.

 

http://i53.tinypic.com/2isghs8.jpg

 

p.s. It's g-minor/B-flat-major. :)

 

Still it won't fit.

In your sheet you say it's a full 4/4 bar(the Gm).

However if you play it with the song and count it will not fit in 4/4.

The Gm is played 7 times instead of 8, the downbeat is earlier. Listen carefully!:)

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Still it won't fit.

In your sheet you say it's a full 4/4 bar(the Gm).

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The Gm is played 7 times instead of 8, the downbeat is earlier.

 

No, not every Will's 'kick' means downbeat. :) Theoretically - irrelevant to time signature. That's why I wrote "simplified harmony" in my earlier post.

 

Key point is 9th tone in melody - tone 'd'. It's on obviously downbeat and not third beat (downbeat) in 7/8 as your score suggested.

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I'm not talking about any kickdrum. :confused:

 

I'm neither pointing at Jonny's riff, I'm pointing at the rhythm(Chris's part etc.) there it just doesn't seem right in the first two bars of 4/4 - 2/4.

I must say that the third and fourth does seem more right in 4/4.

 

Maybe we are both wrong and they just put the first two bars together and the third and fourth in 4/4.

It won't follow the correct pattern but it fits best. :lol:

I mean: 12/8 - 4/4 - 4/4 and repeat

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  • 8 months later...

I just joined this forum cos this thread was bugging me! The Charlie Brown riff is a bar of 6/8 and then the remainder is in 4/4.

 

It's not 6/4, which is more acoustically similar to 3/4 - for example, Coldplay's song Shiver is in 6/4. Trust me!

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