A place to discuss pornography. This can range from concerns people have on young people and access to pornography, the affects they feel it has on people, personal views on it, both positive and negative, anything you want.

 

I'll leave it as open ended as possible before putting forward my input at some point in the future but for the time being i just wanna see how the thread evolves. I'd rather it be mature discussions about pornography than simply a pervy/hater thread but do with it as you will.

 

I make the thread as there is a lot of discussion at the moment about young people and the internet but the thread can be used to discuss all facets of pornography.

I was in a porno once. I was the pizza delivery man.

 

I knocked on the door and a hot naked women answered it.

"Did somebody order this hot, sexy pizza?" I asked in a deep sensual voice

"I did, come in" The naked lady answered licking her lips

"That'll be 15.75 plus tip." I said seducing her

She paid me and tipped well and right as that happened a naked midget ran in and they started to fuck and I let myself out.

 

Acting is hard.

Mr Lick thank you for your serious contribute to this thread

No, no thank you.

:whatever:

^sorry, I actually would like to contribute to any discussion, but I have to leave, and I figured that would suffice.

I was in a porno once. I was the pizza delivery man.

 

I knocked on the door and a hot naked women answered it.

"Did somebody order this hot, sexy pizza?" I asked in a deep sensual voice

"I did, come in" The naked lady answered licking her lips

"That'll be 15.75 plus tip." I said seducing her

She paid me and tipped well and right as that happened a naked midget ran in and they started to fuck and I let myself out.

 

Acting is hard.

 

uh do you have a copy of that

PR0N U SAY?

 

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m86z_480bqo&feature=player_embedded]Diesel - Safe For Work Fruity Porn (SFW) Viral - YouTube[/ame]

 

 

 

AND A VERY PASSIONATE PIANO PLAYER.

 

 

I was going to put some thought into posting whether it's theoretically wrong, whether it's simply degrading for a female or everyone involved (Male performers, those who watch it) and how it ostracizes people involved in the business from society completely, but it's gonna get lost in all the sillyness so I'll see if it simmers down.

 

I wrote a few things there to see if people want to discuss it.

uh do you have a copy of that

 

No, it was banned in most of the western world. Sorry.

 

About porn-I don't like it, I feel trashy when I've watch it. And I hate messes.

I was going to put some thought into posting whether it's theoretically wrong, whether it's simply degrading for a female or everyone involved (Male performers, those who watch it) and how it ostracizes people involved in the business from society completely, but it's gonna get lost in all the sillyness so I'll see if it simmers down.

 

I wrote a few things there to see if people want to discuss it.

 

I've met a few people in the industry over the years, and I can honestly say that there are people of both sexes doing it because they genuinely ENJOY doing it. N. America IS degrading to women though. It gives a lot of men the wrong idea of how to act with a woman. In the U.S. there are films made for the purpose of educating. Erotic butere. Not my career of choice, but most in the business love their work. I do think that the stuff we get instructional.

 

Now I'm going to run away before anyone asks me how I know so much about the topic,lol.

 

:escaping:

 

EDIT: I really hbate my keyboard...fixing...

I'll never really believe that, well definitely not that most enjoy it anyway, and definitely not as a lifestyle. Now maybe they don't mind waiting around on sets and enjoy the actual sex itself or get off on being filmed, but I think a lot of people working in it don't plan on staying and will take anything else offering similar or even less money (stripping, high class prostitution, solo "modelling" shoots) otherwise careers wouldn't end as quick as they do. I mean I'm not saying you're gullible for believing them, because it's probably very convincing, it isn't exactly the biggest purpose in life, do they really want to admit they kinda hate something but do it for the money? I'd imagine some are quite good at convincing themselves they like it most of the time.

 

When I mentioned lifestyle I think that's the bit that stands out even more importantly than the actual work they do (Despite the fact a lot of girls in porn, especially new ones, undoubtedly get treated like shit) so they might not mind being on set, surrounded by people who think this is normal inside the little subculture, but then go outside into the real world, where nobody reacts to a porn-workers job like any other type of job (Positive or negative reactions). Like long term, what if you want another career? Not great on a CV, or a serious relationship? I apologise for being a snob but it could really sway me away if a girl I liked has done porn (Too lazy to explain the quite complicated issue why right now- just making it clear I'm not just saying "BECAUSE ITS PORN UGH DUH"). Or having children? Imagine trying to settle into a life with kids, knowing other kids and their parents, and being part of the industry, even if it was a part of your past it would feel like a pretty dirty secret and nobody likes skeletons in the closet.

 

To clarify I'm sure there are some people who enjoy it and don't wish for the type of lifestyle I've just described, but I can't imagine that number being very high, nonetheless in a few cases that goes down as a valid reason for some.

this sort of reminds me of Dee's thread asking if we masturbate

wat is dat

the purpose of porn other than swag

are the people who film porn just normal camera people or are they special porn camera people. is porn art

When I mentioned lifestyle I think that's the bit that stands out even more importantly than the actual work they do (Despite the fact a lot of girls in porn, especially new ones, undoubtedly get treated like shit) so they might not mind being on set, surrounded by people who think this is normal inside the little subculture, but then go outside into the real world, where nobody reacts to a porn-workers job like any other type of job (Positive or negative reactions). Like long term, what if you want another career? Not great on a CV, or a serious relationship? I apologise for being a snob but it could really sway me away if a girl I liked has done porn (Too lazy to explain the quite complicated issue why right now- just making it clear I'm not just saying "BECAUSE ITS PORN UGH DUH"). Or having children? Imagine trying to settle into a life with kids, knowing other kids and their parents, and being part of the industry, even if it was a part of your past it would feel like a pretty dirty secret and nobody likes skeletons in the closet.

 

To clarify I'm sure there are some people who enjoy it and don't wish for the type of lifestyle I've just described, but I can't imagine that number being very high, nonetheless in a few cases that goes down as a valid reason for some.

 

i think this is more telling of how society looks down upon sex work and acting in porn than anything

this sort of reminds me of Dee's thread asking if we masturbate

 

I wasn't really asking if people watch porn, though they can feel free to say whatever they want. I was more interested in a discussion on pornography's impact on individuals and society as a whole and the morals, positives and dangers behind it.

i think this is more telling of how society looks down upon sex work and acting in porn than anything

 

That's true, and when you mention sex work, anyone who does topless modelling to phone sex, some see them as in the "porn industry" and that can mean everything from a cam show to degrading beastiality, it's all indiscriminately awful for society.

 

But that's the reality of it, and like I wrote before theoretically there's nothing wrong with people consenting to do whatever un-harmful and legal acts with their bodies, in practice though, in this real world, for many people it would never be an option unless on the verge of being homeless, and even for a lot who end up in porn it was never their first choice thing to do (Again, that's why the average career is a few years, and there's a lot of newcomers who only do a few shoots and give up).

 

Still though, why is it exactly I think performers don't generally want to be in the industry? I think I'll continue dodging that question, HA

 

Actually I just want to sit back and see what others think, I've contributed. But mainly my reasoning is down to societies attitudes and that is a real deterrent to people who might actually want to do porn, I still think being involved in it naturally deters people in itself, but certainly feeling shame for doing it from the outside world cuts down the numbers of people who feel eligible to get involved. Now, is it such a bad thing society does its best to keep porn separate from our open lives? Recently I saw in the news (It actually turns out to be old news) that a pornstar made an appearance, reading to 1st graders in a school, like how do you explain to these kids who the nice lady is? I guess you don't, it's not exactly going to scar them for life, but to me there's at least something odd about porn being mainstream, whether dangerous or positive for society being more accepting, I don't really know.

 

EDIT: Actually I didn't write that there's nothing theoretically wrong for it, I think that must've been in the original post I was going to make that I accidentally closed the browser.

The wittiest, most engaging conversation I've had in Prague was with a stripper (a friend of a friend who was visiting), with whom I had some fantastic discussions about the appeal of 'violent' sports, and catharsis in Radiohead and David Lynch films. I was struggling to keep up (granted, she was popping adderall).

 

I have to tip-toe carefully through the next few sentences because I by no means am I implying that stripping is by any means a 'lesser' profession (as if to say 'even STRIPPERS can be smart sometimes'). I will say that her appearance (implants, orange-tanned skin, whitish blonde hair) made what I learned of her interests and experience a bit more surprising. But I think I discerned indirectly that there was a connection.

 

She was constantly exciting about discovering new things, and also kept making remarks about how she 'could never take herself seriously'. There was something admirable about how she ran each way without inhibitions. She was not the least bit ashamed (in fact completely open and matter-of-fact) about sex and stripping. If anything, she made it seem practical, as it was fun for her, and paid well enough for her to travel to Iceland or China at a moments notice without a qualm.

 

I think society's obsessions with the morality of physical modesty, and the accompanying notions of 'respectable' jobs is largely based on an inherited mythology, and ontology that we don't altogether fully understand. If you divorce these mores from religion and/or the desire to fit in and be well-regarded by family and peers who do emphasize it, you are left with the general discomfort of sexual objectification. However, she didn't seem to mind, and I don't imagine it's difficult for many to compartmentalize different facets of their life (we all do, to a degree). Just as male-dominated society applauds wives who can be martha stewart in the kitchen and a stripper in the bedroom, why should she base her self-image on something she does a small percentage of her time. Do we judge a Tesco employee in the same respect? Someone who spends more time doing a very tedious and menial task for less money, and from which the customer and the employee derive extremely little enjoyment?

I'm jealous of your life in Prague.

The wittiest, most engaging conversation I've had in Prague was with a stripper (a friend of a friend who was visiting), with whom I had some fantastic discussions about the appeal of 'violent' sports, and catharsis in Radiohead and David Lynch films. I was struggling to keep up (granted, she was popping adderall).

 

I have to tip-toe carefully through the next few sentences because I by no means am I implying that stripping is by any means a 'lesser' profession (as if to say 'even STRIPPERS can be smart sometimes'). I will say that her appearance (implants, orange-tanned skin, whitish blonde hair) made what I learned of her interests and experience a bit more surprising. But I think I discerned indirectly that there was a connection.

 

She was constantly exciting about discovering new things, and also kept making remarks about how she 'could never take herself seriously'. There was something admirable about how she ran each way without inhibitions. She was not the least bit ashamed (in fact completely open and matter-of-fact) about sex and stripping. If anything, she made it seem practical, as it was fun for her, and paid well enough for her to travel to Iceland or China at a moments notice without a qualm.

 

I think society's obsessions with the morality of physical modesty, and the accompanying notions of 'respectable' jobs is largely based on an inherited mythology, and ontology that we don't altogether fully understand. If you divorce these mores from religion and/or the desire to fit in and be well-regarded by family and peers who do emphasize it, you are left with the general discomfort of sexual objectification. However, she didn't seem to mind, and I don't imagine it's difficult for many to compartmentalize different facets of their life (we all do, to a degree). Just as male-dominated society applauds wives who can be martha stewart in the kitchen and a stripper in the bedroom, why should she base her self-image on something she does a small percentage of her time. Do we judge a Tesco employee in the same respect? Someone who spends more time doing a very tedious and menial task for less money, and from which the customer and the employee derive extremely little enjoyment?

 

The negative reaction seems to boil down more to do with the fact that this is a very male driven business when it comes down to who makes the most from it. The person who runs the strip club, prostitutes pimps, the vast majority of people who use the facilities. And the fact that it's far less common place for a man to do be the one in the strippers position (of course it does happen). The lack of opportunities for women to make money like that when up against their male counterparts in other areas given the inequality of wages may play a part in this.

 

The fact she has made what sound like drastic changes to her physical appearance is interesting. I'm not sure how comfortable she is deep down within herself if she has to change herself to such an extreme.

The wittiest, most engaging conversation I've had in Prague was with a stripper (a friend of a friend who was visiting), with whom I had some fantastic discussions about the appeal of 'violent' sports, and catharsis in Radiohead and David Lynch films. I was struggling to keep up (granted, she was popping adderall).

 

I have to tip-toe carefully through the next few sentences because I by no means am I implying that stripping is by any means a 'lesser' profession (as if to say 'even STRIPPERS can be smart sometimes'). I will say that her appearance (implants, orange-tanned skin, whitish blonde hair) made what I learned of her interests and experience a bit more surprising. But I think I discerned indirectly that there was a connection.

 

She was constantly exciting about discovering new things, and also kept making remarks about how she 'could never take herself seriously'. There was something admirable about how she ran each way without inhibitions. She was not the least bit ashamed (in fact completely open and matter-of-fact) about sex and stripping. If anything, she made it seem practical, as it was fun for her, and paid well enough for her to travel to Iceland or China at a moments notice without a qualm.

 

I think society's obsessions with the morality of physical modesty, and the accompanying notions of 'respectable' jobs is largely based on an inherited mythology, and ontology that we don't altogether fully understand. If you divorce these mores from religion and/or the desire to fit in and be well-regarded by family and peers who do emphasize it, you are left with the general discomfort of sexual objectification. However, she didn't seem to mind, and I don't imagine it's difficult for many to compartmentalize different facets of their life (we all do, to a degree). Just as male-dominated society applauds wives who can be martha stewart in the kitchen and a stripper in the bedroom, why should she base her self-image on something she does a small percentage of her time. Do we judge a Tesco employee in the same respect? Someone who spends more time doing a very tedious and menial task for less money, and from which the customer and the employee derive extremely little enjoyment?

 

I got to know quite a few strippers at one point, I had a friend whos housemate was a stripper and for some reason it seemed to be a haven for her and her co-workers. Actually a few of them spent brief periods in porn (But the porn industry in England didn't quite sound like the slightly more glamorous American one, it sounded like less of a set with makeup artists, and more like, turning up to a council flat to meet 2 guys with a low-range camera, but they did get paid well). Anyway, I can't say I shared deep or interesting conversations with them, I suppose it was never that kind of atmosphere, but nothing wrong with them as people, outgoing and at times typically wild but probably no more than average groups of girls who like to party.

 

I don't know why I started writing this because I have little else to add, your experience sounded more interesting and I liked the other points you made. :(

http://dangerousminds.net/comments/music_for_wanking_brian_eno_discusses_his_porno_collection

 

Interesting...

THIS MAY NOT BE SAFE FOR WORK, I HAVEN'T PROPERLY LOOKED AT THE SITE ITSELF BUT IT CONTAINS AN INTERVIEW WITH A BLACK MALE PORNOGRAPHIC ACTOR WHO QUIT INTERRACIAL SCENES. PLEASE DO NOT CLICK IF YOU ARE EASILY OFFENDED. THE MAIN PICTURE DIDN'T LOAD FOR ME SO APART FROM THAT THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANYTHING TOO DODGY ON THERE BUT I CAN'T GUARANTEE. (WITH REFERENCE TO UNDERSTANDING THE PIECE, IR MEANS INTERRACIAL).

 

http://www.lukeisback.com/2010/04/justin-long-says-i-will-no-longer-be-doing-any-sort-of-interracial-porn/