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It does indeed. That's hardcore criminals for ya, they never can be trusted.

Exactly, bills written in secret that aren't read, voted for and are not what most Americans want. It's a worrying situation.

Yes, I kind of know where you are coming from - however, 'Alien' actually is a completely legitimate word to use. "A person who is neither a native nor a citizen of the country of residence" But that wording is not the real issue........it's only avoiding it.

As always, the Line 6 Delay is doing most of the work. It's actually not too hard to re-create really.

This really is very serious....I've been waiting for this to all kick off. If you are an American I strongly recommend that you fully look at this issue. Amnesty Opens Door For Foreign Occupation Of U.S. Reform Bill drafted in secret by foreign stakeholders, not even provided to Senators to read Steve Watson Infowars.net Friday, May 18, 2007 The Senate is on the verge of passing a bill that has been written in secret and has not even be read which provides total amnesty for 12 million (if you are to believe official figures) illegal aliens already inside the US, allows them to bring in their entire families from outside and ultimately paves the way for foreign occupation of the United States. The immigration reform bill, which has been hailed by President Bush, has been denounced by many commentators and Senators as total amnesty by stealth. It has been drafted in total secrecy with the help of liberal think tanks and Latino national interest groups such as the National Council of La Raza and the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund, which as the Washington Post reported now have virtual veto power in the immigration debate. Some of these groups are notoriously racist and have openly called for revolution. On Wednesday conservative web site redstate reported: The issue boils down to whether Senate Republicans leaders, including Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.) and Conference Chairman Jon Kyl (Ariz.), will give Democrats a free pass to bring up the bill without ever giving Republicans a chance to review it. Sen. Teddy Kennedy (D.-Mass.) is leading negotiations for the Democrats, and has so far negotiated a favorable deal for Democrats, according to sources close to the negotiations. A motion to proceed is a procedural step to start debating the legislation. It would allow leadership to present a bill to the Senate with no time for senators to actually read the legislation. “There is concern among conservatives on the Hill that leadership will cave in on the motion to proceed on a bill that they’ve never seen,” one senior Senate aide told me. “Conservatives don’t want to do this because they don’t trust that the negotiators will produce a bill that will be satisfactory to conservatives.” The legislation would grant undocumented workers who came into the country before January a permit to remain. They could then apply for a new, four-year "Z Visa," renewable indefinitely, as long as they pay a $5,000 fine, a $1,500 processing fee, show a clean work record and pass a criminal background check (even though they entered the US illegally, so are criminals). The "Z visas" also pave the way for "chain immigration" allowing an immigrant to bring in relatives. Previously chain immigration was limited to immediate family members. New legislation will open it to include possibly more than 11 family members of any relation. Once those family members become resident they too will be able to bring in their extended families and so on. Advocates of the bill are claiming that this can only happen in tandem with a total crackdown on border control. In other words before those immigrant-rights measures could go into effect, the government must deploy 18,000 new Border Patrol agents and four unmanned aerial vehicles; build 200 miles of vehicle barriers, 370 miles of fencing, and 70 ground-based radar and camera towers; provide funds for the detention of 27,500 illegal immigrants a day; and complete new identification tools to help employers screen out illegal job applicants. Given that the government has not been able to build a simple fence in six years how is it going to be able to achieve all this within eighteen months? We have also seen in the past how "immigration control efforts" such as Real ID, boosting troops on the borders and building fences are simply smoke and mirrors behind which lie methods of control, outrageous elitist profiteering and the destruction of freedom. This is not the first time the Bush administration has moved to aid the benefits of Mexicans illegally working working in the US. In 2005, the New York Times reported that the Bush administration had initiated a program to start paying hospitals and doctors for providing emergency care to illegal immigrants. Members of Congress from border states had sought the money, totaling $1 Billion. They said treatment of illegal immigrants imposed a huge financial burden on many hospitals, which are required to provide emergency care to patients who need it, regardless of their immigration status or ability to pay. The administration had previously abandoned a proposal that would have required many hospitals to ask patients if they were U.S. citizens or legal immigrants. Add to this previous mainstream reports of banks and lenders opening their doors to illegal immigrants, facilitated by government agencies, such as the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. As reported in the Wall Street Journal, the FDIC is encouraging banks to lend and invest in undeserved markets regardless of customers' immigration status. Given these facts why should anyone now believe that the real agenda is to create a system that is tough on illegal immigrants? In 1986 Reagan announced an amnesty of one million illegals which ended up being between three and six million with the promise of tougher border control which never materialized. There are now officially twelve million illegals in the country, however this figure is universally thought to be flawed as it is based primarily on the national census, to which illegals are most likely not to partake in. Higher estimates put the figure at over twenty million, with three or four million a year now entering the US. The new bill's authors "seem to think that they can dupe the American public into accepting a blanket amnesty if they just call it 'comprehensive' or 'earned legalization' or 'regularization,' " commented Rep. Tom Tancredo "The president is so desperate for a legacy and a domestic policy win that he is willing to sell out the American people and our national security." “It is unconscionable that with an issue of this magnitude and complexity that the Senate would proceed to legislation without any text available to review by senators,” another senior Senate source said. U.S. Senator DeMint commented "I hope we don't take a thousand page bill written in secret and try to ram it through the Senate in a few days. This is a very important issue for America and we need time to debate it." DeMint denounced the "Z visas" stating "This rewards people who broke the law with permanent legal status, and puts them ahead of millions of law-abiding immigrants waiting to come to America. I don't care how you try to spin it, this is amnesty." Indeed it is amnesty, but it seems this time it will be much much more as well. The AP is reporting that the Santa Fe Police Department is considering the possibility of recruiting Mexican nationals to fill vacant police jobs. Current regulations prohibit non-citizens from serving as police officers, but as a total amnesty would legalize all illegals this problem would dissolve. Law departments are arguing that they, like the armed forces, should be allowed to recruit foreign nationals into vacant positions. The US armed forces has also seen an influx of foreign troops, an average of 20% of ground troops in Iraq are now non citizens, this is set to rise to 50% over the next year with foreign recruitment stations facilitating the supply. There now exists a situation in the US where foreigners are being recruited to the armed forces and soon enough to law enforcement. Add to all this the fact that there is a huge push for a North American Union underway, which is continuing apace in relative secrecy and without Congressional oversight. We have issued several reports, the latest here, covering the fact that a wide range of US administrative law is being re-written in stealth under this program to "integrate" and "harmonize" with administrative law in Mexico and Canada, just as has become commonplace within the EU. As this issue has raged on and tensions have continued to mount we have also seen that 'Immigration Protests' are being used as a cover for a racist ethnic cleansing movement. The fallout of increased tensions could lead to rioting and may provide the perfect pretext to begin round-up and internment procedures that have been previously outlined in the REX 84 program and were cited in the recent Kellogg Brown and Root contract to construct detention camps which was given to them by Homeland Security. Social, political and economic forces are pulling America apart and driving her toward a bloody conflict that may fracture and Balkanize the nation. The move to cement a legal force of underling workers that will do the dirty work for America while at the same time wiping out middle class opulence and sustainability is a direct avocation of a creation of a massive underclass of illegal, third world, uneducated and poor slaves. This only serves to benefit one section of society, the elite. We urge you to flood the switch boards of the Senate and Congress and vent anger at the fact that the latest immigration reforms are set to be passed without even being read. We ask you to demand to know why the legislation has been drafted in secret under the direct influence of foreign stakeholders. And we ask you to demand your Senators and Congressmen to halt this blind overhauling of American security and to restore the system of constitutional debate before it is too late. 202-225-3121 Congress Switchboard 202-224-3121 Senate Switchboard www.congress.com

Oh, yeah....of course....you are probably right.

Hmm, I'm actually thinking that the version in question will be the same as what's on the album.

I'm actually not sure which version I have....how long is the album version?

I'm just going to wait and see what he does about the defense before I get excited. Close season is going to be very interesting.

What a depressing list. But it's your list.

What a complete and utter waste of time. The person assumes people like The Beatles because they think they have to - which is impossible to prove. Says "The Beatles were revolutionary" but then calls their music "shitty". What a child. :) I mean, I like a large musical portion of The Beatles but I dislike a whole lot too. Should I try my hardest to change other peoples minds about what type of music they like or even which Beatles songs they should favour? no. Flippant passing comments about musicial tastes are all well and good but when has anyone argued about music with someone and changed their mind in the end? I can't say I have ever witnessed that...it's a complete life drainer. Why couldn't that person put the effort into something that actually means something and could better their life? Because arguing something with such a safe outcome (i.e - where nobody has to change by the end of it) is probably easier for them. Sad.

Yeah, I was wondering about that too....

Yes, I know - and Gas_Man knows too.....I guess since he started this thread so long ago he didn't know much about him then. Keigo Oyamada is a genius. But I'm going to miss out this time.

Right, I pretty gutted and I can't now go to the sold out Cornelius gig in London on the 23rd May 2007 and I really am trying to sell my ticket and my brothers ticket.. I'll sell them at face value and with free postage. I'd set up an eBay auction so that anyone who shows interest can buy it through there....just so the buyer is more covered. Anyway...nobody here will probably want them as I'm the only respondant to this thread in almost 4 years....funny enough it was in fact my brother who created this thread all that time ago...(24-09-2003 :shocked2: ) Anyway....I'm sad that I'm not going anymore because it was going to be amazing. He hardly ever plays live.....let alone in the UK. :(

Well, everyone I know says Inter-pol. Sounds like doll. Although I am speaking English English and I'm from the north-east...so. But the band say Inter'pole'....because well, they are American - and I'm not.

Yeah, I just posted that so you could read the chord boxes - which are the chords Chris plays. It's quite satisfying to play the acoustic guitar for this....I think I might have a little play along now myself.

Here, I was going to type it out but found the official books version. (Attatched the PDF in a Zip so it would upload to this site) I actually think it's 98% correct....but the repeated "yeah, I'll always be waiting for you, yeah I'll always be waiting for you, for you, I will always be waiting" middle 8 section has a wrong chord......it has an A type chord played on the word "waiting" when in fact it really should be a Bb variant. (you can hear the Bb better if you listen to Guys bass)

You shouldn't drink either if you know what's good for you.

Ron Paul: Total Victory, Yet Censorship Continues Texas Congressman trounces rivals in all polls but is deliberately pushed to margins by terrified corporate media Ron Paul emerged from last week's GOP debate as completely victorious according to every available benchmark and yet there is still a deliberate ploy to push the Texas Congressman to the sidelines on behalf of a terrified corporate media. Every single major online poll shows conclusively that Ron Paul won the debate by a mammoth margin, trouncing the bought and paid-for shill Neo-Con candidates that the establishment press are sworn to uphold. After just over 18,000 votes, the ABC News poll shows Ron Paul with 15,568 compared with nearest rival Mitt Romney who is on a paltry 245. After initially scrubbing Paul from the poll altogether, ABC were forced to add his name after a deluge of furious calls and e mails. Ron Paul led MSNBC's poll right from the start and before it had even been widely circulated. ABC News claims that activist voting and multiple voting by individuals artificially inflated Paul's numbers, but both claims are demonstrably false. Keith Olbermann reported that Paul was ahead before the link was spread around message boards and blogs and to vote multiple times is impossible - the poll only allows one vote per IP address. At time of press, Paul currently has 40% approval and 25% disapproval, compared with 43% disapproval and only 22% approval for Giuliani. Capital News, an arm of CSPAN, had Paul leading his nearest rival Mitt Romney by 60% shortly before voting closed. Rudy Giuliani garnered just 6% of the vote. Yahoo! News is still censoring Ron Paul by not including him in the list of candidates on their 2008 presidential coverage page, despite the fact that he is wildly popular and has trounced every other Republican candidate in ever online poll. After receiving a flood of angry complaints, Yahoo promised to review the situation, but 24 hours later their page is still absent any mention of Ron Paul. This whole fiasco underscores the reality that the President of the United States is not elected by the popular will of the people, but instead is selected from a highly restricted gaggle of pre-approved establishment lackeys. The corporate media offer the excuse that Ron Paul is not a mainstream candidate and has little chance of winning, therefore their decision to afford him little coverage is justified. But this is a chicken and egg scenario - if the media routinely ignore so-called marginal candidates then they are never going to attain the exposure of a Giuliani or a Romney, thus the media bias becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. If Ron Paul was afforded equal media coverage at every step of the way before the Republican nomination, and if America was still a free country with a democratic process that actually worked, then Ron Paul would be a shoe-in for the Oval Office. But the fact remains, as is painfully underscored by the media's treatment of Ron Paul, that America is a banana republic where the president is not elected by popular will but selected by the corporate and military-industrial kingpins that for whom, upon inauguration, he becomes the puppet.

VOTE RON PAUL IF YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING GREAT Now Yahoo! Censor Popular Support For Ron Paul ABC forced to address Texas Congressman's campaign, but remain silent on why they scrubbed him from online poll May 8, 2007 Paul Joseph Watson Yahoo! News have become the latest establishment media outlet to ignore and censor Ron Paul's presidential campaign, despite the fact that he won Thursday night's GOP debate hands down, according to an overwhelming majority that voted for him in online polls. Yahoo! News' 2008 Presidential election coverage page features a list of candidates from both Democrat and Republican parties, but fails to list Ron Paul, despite the fact that he easily trounced the likes of Sam Brownback, Mike Huckabee and Duncan Hunter - who are featured, in every online poll since Thursday's debate. No room for Ron Paul at Yahoo! Only establishment shill Republicrats and Democons allowed. MySpace users are also claiming that bulletins expressing support for Ron Paul are being blocked and that prominent supporters of Paul's campaign are having their accounts suspended. ABC News were swamped with furious e mails and calls over the weekend after they deliberately scrubbed Ron Paul from their online poll , ensuring no one could vote for him. After he was reinstated, the Congressman received thousands of votes and won the poll at a canter. In a simpering puff piece released last night , ABC News correspondent Rick Klein claims that Paul's popularity is not reflected nationwide and is merely the result of "viral marketing" on behalf of the Congressman's online supporters. Apologists for the establishment press have tried to argue that popular support for Ron Paul is skewed by activist voting, but the fact remains that Paul had topped the MSNBC online vote before it had even been widely publicized, as Keith Olbermann stated during live coverage of the debate. If we accept this to be the case are we to then assume that Giuliani, Romney and the other gaggle of shill candidates don't have any online support? If so, who is going to vote for them? Do Giuliani and McCain supporters not have access to the Internet? Klein also erroneously claims that Paul's online votes in the MSNBC poll were artificially inflated because users were voting multiple times. This isn't possible, since the website only affords one vote to one IP address - there is no option to vote again if you have already voted. Klein obviously didn't even bother to check whether his statement was correct before including it in the article. The fact that ABC deliberately tried to censor Paul by not including him in the original poll is not addressed in the article. What we are witnessing is a deliberate effort to poo-poo Ron Paul's chances to ensure that he has no chance - this is a chicken and egg scenario. If Ron Paul was afforded as much coverage as Giuliani and Romney he would have a real shot of becoming President - but the military-industrial complex that owns the media are loathe to allow that because Paul is a true anti-war Jeffersonian paleoconservative and he represents the people. We couldn't possibly have a President that represented the people now could we! Only a compromised slimeball shill pre-approved and selected by the anointed ones and their mouthpiece hacks in the corporate media. **The Globalists really don't wan't Ron Paul to win and are pulling out all the stops to trick the American people into thinking he doesn't even exist. He's doing really well in Polls and I guess it's scaring the shit right out of them....Support Ron Paul, listen to him, he really shows all the other fakes how it should be done. I'm English but I know the huge and fantastic effect it will have on the world if Ron Paul wins.

^you mean "It's not JUST him"...right?? If so, yes....there are many people who have been caught saying such things. At University of Texas (UT) - Dr. Pinaka said that an Airborne version of the ebola virus would be a good way to kill 90%. There were few people at the meeting who claimed he said things and students then said he'd mentioned it to them in class on occasions. However, he denies saying it - by most people probably would deny such things if someone blabbed about it.

Corporate Media Censor Ron Paul's Debate Success Establishment press ignore massive popular approval for Texas Congressman in every poll, ABC only add Paul to poll list after furious complaints Paul Joseph Watson Monday, May 7, 2007 Ron Paul won the debate hands down - all the polls show it - but the establishment media are loathe to report it, because if a tree falls in the forest and the corporate press choose not to report on it then it doesn't make a sound. After several days of voting, the online MSNBC poll has Ron Paul leading in every single positive category, proving that the vast majority think he won the debate. In an ABC News poll, well over 7,000 voted for the Congressman with Giuliani and Romney receiving a paltry 100 votes each. In a CSPAN poll, 69% voted for Ron Paul, with his nearest contender garnering just 9% of the vote. Many would attribute this to be a reflection of focused online activism rather than overall national opinion, but the fact is that Paul was way ahead of the other candidates in the hours after the debate ended and before the polls had been widely publicized by websites supportive of the Texas Congressman. This tells us that the American people are crying out for a real conservative and Ron Paul would be a serious contender for the White House if the media afforded him equal coverage with the likes of Romney, McCain and Giuliani. However, as Alex Wallenwein points out in his OpEdNews.com article, the establishment media completely ignored public sentiment and handed the victory to either McCain or Romney, barely even mentioning Ron Paul's sterling performance and popular approval. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Hfa7vT02lA Highlights package of all Ron Paul's answers from Thursday night's debate. "Unsurprisingly, not a single report of the actual political news story of the decade, namely, that a virtually unknown “dark horse” beats even the media favorite Romney handily - and utterly crushes the rest of the field," writes Wallenwein. The headlines seen from a Google News search using the keyword “debate”, at the time of this writing show only this: “John McCain Wins First GOP Debate” (Fox News) “Who Won the First GOP Presidential Debate? (Answer provided in article: “Mitt Romney” - National Review Online) "Republican Presidential Debate Gives No Clue on GOP Leader in Race” (Axcess News) Apparently the Axcess News editors don't have a clue - unlike actual debate viewers. A news search for the keywords “won debate” reveals this: “Noonan, Pundits: Romney Won Debate” (NewsMax) "Giuliani Wary of Repeal of Roe” (Washington Times) Readers tell us that ABC didn't even include Ron Paul on their original list and his name was only added to the poll after furious calls to ABC's head office. This website also claims that comments on ABC's message boards expressing outrage at the fact that Paul had been censored were soon deleted. Even the usually much vaunted Keith Olbermann and his MSNBC co-host Chris Matthews ignored Ron Paul's clear anti-war stance in claiming that none of the Republican candidates opposed the occupation of Iraq. VOTE RON PAUL, SERIOUSLY. IF YOU ARE AMERICAN THEN I HOPE YOU PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT RON PAUL IS SAYING.

Bruce Willis Says JFK Killers Still In Power Actor tells Vanity Fair he's skeptical of lone shooter theory Paul Joseph Watson Monday, May 7, 2007 In a new magazine interview, Bruce Willis spills the beans on his skepticism that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in the assassination of JFK, and suggests that the some of the same criminals who killed Kennedy are still in power today. "They still haven't caught the guy that killed [President] Kennedy," Willis told Vanity Fair's June issue, according to the New York Post. "I'll get killed for saying this, but I'm pretty sure those guys are still in power, in some form. The entire government of the United States was co-opted," So from where did Willis, a former die-hard champion of Neo-Con policy, receive his sudden wake-up call? As we reported last year, Hollywood director Richard Linklater said he had handed out 9/11 truth DVDs on the set of Fast Food Nation, including Alex Jones' Terror Storm and Martial Law documentaries, and that they completely changed Willis' political paradigm. "He said it put him in such a head space that he will be quiet on issues of national policy," Linklater told the Alex Jones Show. Is Willis' comment that the people who killed Kennedy are still in power a reference to the fact that George H.W. Bush was photographed at the scene in Dealy Plaza? Either way, it's refreshing to see that Willis, who was vehemently pro-war and pro-Bush in the months after 9/11, has seen the light and realized that patriotism is about love of one's country, not worship of government. No shit, Sherlock. In polls - an average of 90+ percent of the US agrees. RELATED **CIA agents Amazing JFK Murder Plot "Deathbed Confession" Aired On National Radio**

Eco-Extremist Wants World Population to Drop below 1 Billion Dan Gainor Business & Media Institute Monday May 07, 2007 Note: Obviously, the Paul Watson featured in this article and the Paul Watson of Prison Planet are different people. In addition, Alex Jones of Prison Planet is not a Harvard professor, a New York Times writer or a football player. Apparently, saving the whales is more important than saving 5.5 billion people. Paul Watson, founder and president of the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society and famous for militant intervention to stop whalers, now warns mankind is “acting like a virus” and is harming Mother Earth. Watson’s May 4 editorial asked the question “The Beginning of the End for Life as We Know it on Planet Earth?” Then he left no doubt about the answer. “We are killing our host the planet Earth,” he claimed and called for a population drop to less than 1 billion. The commentary reminded readers that Watson had called humans a disease before and he wasn’t sorry. “I was once severely criticized for describing human beings as being the ‘AIDS of the Earth.’ I make no apologies for that statement,” the column continued. Watson was invoking the worst of Robert Malthus, an English political economist who claimed that mankind was overpopulating the earth. That claimed first appeared in the late 1700s. Watson urged some solutions for mankind as part of a process to “need to re-wild the planet”: · “No human community should be larger than 20,000 people and separated from other communities by wilderness areas.” New York, London, Paris, Moscow are all too big. Then again, so are Moose Jaw, Timbuktu and even Annapolis, Md. · “We need vast areas of the planet where humans do not live at all and where other species are free to evolve without human interference.” · “We need to radically and intelligently reduce human populations to fewer than one billion.” · “Sea transportation should be by sail. The big clippers were the finest ships ever built and sufficient to our needs. Air transportation should be by solar powered blimps when air transportation is necessary.” · At least Watson was generous and said people could still talk with one another across great distances. “Communication systems can link the communities,” he proclaimed from on high. The Watson rant kept on going calling for everything from cutting down on the population of domesticated dogs and cats to cutting down on everything else in what he called “simplify, simplify, simplify.” Watson essentially called for humans to return to primitive lifestyles. “We need to stop flying, stop driving cars, and jetting around on marine recreational vehicles. The Mennonites survive without cars and so can the rest of us.” That's the plan people, serious.....^ here's someone else to add to the long line of people who would love a mass human cull.

COME ON RON PAUL!! Ron Paul Rides High In Polls After GOP Debate Friday, May 4, 2007 Ron Paul is currently riding high in the polls after last night's GOP Presidential debate, jockeying for first position with Mitt Romney and ahead of both Rudy Giuliani and John McCain. A major MSNBC poll currently has Paul at 30% approval, compared to Romney at 31%. McCain and Giuliani are at 21% and 27% respectively. Here's a link to an earlier screenshot of the poll, showing Ron Paul at 47%. Several readers tell us that Paul shot ahead in the early stages of the poll, and this is verified from an MSNBC news clip last night in which Keith Olbermann states Paul has received 39% of the vote. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEWlKT9obPY Fox News claims that John McCain won the debate and that Romney also did well because he is "handsome" and spouted rhetoric about "God and country." Ron Paul is the only real candidate talking about real issues and he is also the only contender who is not completely bought and paid for by Neo-Con warmongers. Click here to vote for Ron Paul.