I know, but god. This thread has made me cry. And that's not a cry for pity, or sympathy, or attention. It seriously just PROVES to me how far gone the world is. And I thought of PMing this person about the Charity project.

 

 

But if this person has no regard for human life, how could he care about a few black people with some issues in Africa? Or some spics who get AIDS because they're so impoverished and resort to prostitution to make a living.

 

 

People like this don't realize that they are not America, they're not speaking FOR American. Indeed, they're not "American". They were simply born here. We are all American. The only reason we call ourselves this is because there happens to be propoganda techniques used to make us associate certain values with a WORD. Sadly, the brainwashed masses can't see this. So they stand there and pledge allegiance to their flag, pledge allegiance to one corner of the world.

 

 

 

I do not. I pledge allegiance TO the world. If we go down in one huge nuclear blast, we're all going to go down together. No matter if you're a nigger, spic or caucasian (too bad there's not a nastier word for us whiteys).

And honey, you don't know anything about me. I never said I don't care for soldiers. I never said I don't care for ANYONE. I'm saying that war kills ALL, including our soldiers. And I hate it that your father could die, for what? For a cause? But what's this cause doing? It certainly hasn't changed your McDonalds habits. It hasn't changed your shitting habits.

 

 

 

I'm so sorry for you.

How dare you assume.

 

Nobody is attacking your father or all the things he has done.

The whole point was to bring attention to HOW BAD WAR IS FOR EVERYONE.

And of course you would say you want dead and deformed children over your father. Thats the type of society and world we live in. Constant war, never peace. The attack is on the way humans interact in the modern world through the governmental systems. IT needs to change. Otherwise it is just a continous loop.

I know, but god. This thread has made me cry. And that's not a cry for pity, or sympathy, or attention. It seriously just PROVES to me how far gone the world is. And I thought of PMing this person about the Charity project.

 

 

But if this person has no regard for human life, how could he care about a few black people with some issues in Africa? Or some spics who get AIDS because they're so impoverished and resort to prostitution to make a living.

 

 

People like this don't realize that they are not America, they're not speaking FOR American. Indeed, they're not "American". They were simply born here. We are all American. The only reason we call ourselves this is because there happens to be propoganda techniques used to make us associate certain values with a WORD. Sadly, the brainwashed masses can't see this. So they stand there and pledge allegiance to their flag, pledge allegiance to one corner of the world.

 

 

 

I do not. I pledge allegiance TO the world. If we go down in one huge nuclear blast, we're all going to go down together. No matter if you're a nigger, spic or caucasian (too bad there's not a nastier word for us whiteys).

 

Oh please, I'm talking about during wartime here. I'm all for removing poverty and AIDS, although I deem it unrealistic, I still will aid in its destruction.

 

And yes, I do represent America. I am a citizen, am I not? I vote for who should lead my country, do I not?

 

So ban me from this site because I am a citizen and am voicing my free speech? My free speech is not impending your rights, so I have not violated any rules of the Constitution. Just shows how 'free' this world you pledge your allegiance to really is.

Thanks Marisa!:)

 

 

And I don't know WHY I had to be personally insulted. I wasn't even talking about America! I was talking about the world!!!!! And I wasn't saying anything about anyone. I wasn't saying "Those stupid soldiers deserve it!" BECAUSE THEY DON'T. The people at the heads of "our" (when I say 'we', 'our', 'us' I MEAN THE WORLD) governments need to be the targets.

 

 

 

*blasts Bob Dylan's 'Masters Of War'*

A few things:

 

 

You're 17. You've never voted. ;)

 

 

And I'm hoping you get banned because you violated the rules of this forum, that you agreed to when creating your membership. No obscene, rude, harrassing or uncalled for posting. The post that you made fit all those things. THAT is why I hope you get banned. And actually, you know what, I hope you don't. I want you to stay so I can keep my despair for the future validated.

 

I personally think that a feeling of disregard for human life is simply that, a total disregard for human life. Except for when it suits you. It's simply hypocritical to say "Oh yeah, we should save those people with AIDS". But then be like "But that little baby deserves to have a deformed head because my father made a CHOICE to go into military service." That child didn't make a choice to be born where it was. Just because you're the spawn of a military man doesn't give you the right to choose who deserves to live and die at your whims.

 

 

Because there's a lot of people who would do the same right back at you, and it's just a big fuckin' circle.

"This country's policies make my vomit blood."

 

You weren't talkin bout America?

It seems you are only talking about when the US is at war with an opposing force. Because last time I checked combat war is going on all the time all over the world.

Yes you represent America, but along that with that you display a narrow minded view of what you as an American demand and dismiss, in terms of the US only being one of the countries that make up the globe.

 

Fine, we get it. You don't care about being banned.

Good. Go "free" yourself then.

Oh, I was talking about America THERE. Because my reply was about us picking and choosing who deserves nukes and who doesn't.

 

 

 

But a lot of things make me puke blood, including Middle Eastern policies, European policies, Canadian policies, South American policies, Orient policies, Russian policies and I really don't know much about Australian policies??? LMFAO

 

 

Good enough for you?

 

 

Liberals make me puke blood. Conservatives make me puke blood. People just need to stop being so damn stuck in their yackity yack yacking about "change" whilst the same cycle repeats itself. We just need to care about our fellow man, we need to hold a young, bleeding child and not hold a bloody gun. ;)

Yes, I'm the hypocrit. I hope you get banned. OH WAIT, no I don't, I'm just kidding.

 

Oh yeah, just so you know, I'd pick the deformed kid over an ignorant American like you.

 

Base your ideas off of some facts, not just your own opinion.

I'm ignorant? lmfao oh dear. Honey, I haven't heard you give any facts. And I think pictures of dead babies are as hard as my facts can GET.

 

 

You can't shoot your mouth off and ask me not to.

 

"But I see through your eyes

And I see through your brain

Like I see through the water that runs down my drain."

 

 

I don't FEEL like going into every single thing that I hate about the world.

 

 

 

I'm not American. I was just born here.

 

 

But I am human.

It seems you are only talking about when the US is at war with an opposing force. Because last time I checked combat war is going on all the time all over the world.

Yes you represent America, but along that with that you display a narrow minded view of what you as an American demand and dismiss, in terms of the US only being one of the countries that make up the globe.

 

Fine, we get it. You don't care about being banned.

Good. Go "free" yourself then.

 

What are you talking about? I never said no other countries are at war...

 

Whats up with you people and telling me how I think?

 

I'm "narrow-minded." Who says I haven't thought about this and picked a side? I'm probably more open-minded than you, seeing as I believe 9-11 to be a conspiracy.

I believe 911 is a conspiracy too WHOA!

 

 

Guess what I AM OPEN MINDED!!!!!! And she is too! Wow! Who figured! Other people can have opinions too? Seriously? Oh my god am I being SARCASTIC?!

Hey you're cool...turn this argument into some circus. Whatever, I'm done with you. Don't wanna discuss this, fine. I don't need some anti-American to tell me what I think. Go ahead, be ignorant. Think peace is the solution. Whoa, hey lets not do anything about an agressive country and just sit on our asses and let the situation work itself out. That might fix the problem! Hey, lets allow the enemy to attack us so our people can die, and then we fight! You want some facts, read Article III, Section 3 of the Constitution of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. It describes you well.

This conversation died when you called my statements retarded.

 

 

 

I just use you so I can try to expand upon my mind. I honestly don't care about your opinions, and I'm not going to pretend to value them. Some people's I do. But then again, they value mine back. That's called conversation/discussion/intelligence. Whatever.

 

Oh yeah, I've read that. Fun times. Whoo hoo for the Constitution? It's a very nice thing, and I'm very glad that it's around. I went and looked at it too. Then I realized that it's just a bunch of pieces of paper, and it's the people who make those words worth meaning.

 

 

 

And I had hope after looking at those stupid pieces of paper that I couldn't even read because I was getting pushed by the fat lady eating McDonalds to get out of her way. How ironic. But I had hope when I left, because I knew this country was ok. That no matter what, we can always speak and be spoken to in a truthful and respectable manner.

 

 

 

Then the homeless man yelled "FUCK YOU!" at me and I decided that maybe those words are dead after all. Because if that's what they give you, is a homeless man yelling "FUCK YOU!" back at you when you honestly have nothing to give, then goddamnit, they're worthless. I'd rather have no one talk, including myself.

 

 

Mimes are so damn peaceful...

 

 

 

 

 

 

*turns thread into a circus, but a ROCK N ROLL CIRCUS OH WHUT NOWZ*

you're done? and we don't want to discuss it?

 

 

Predictable. Retreat back to your high walled state of mind. Nothing ever gets in and barely anything trickles out.

I really am done with this.

 

 

 

If no one has noticed, the official pictures of Moses are up and there is hope in the world again! LOL!

 

 

 

So no more discussing. Frankly, I thank you both. Marisa, for helping me out and supporting me, because this was the most trying couple hours I have ever spent online. And SrfSnwColdplay (or whatever your username is, I don't know I just know it by site?) for showing me the opposite sides.

 

 

What I believe is that no one should get into a debate in which they can't shake hands after. Because then it's completely meaningless. But you know, we're online, so no shaking needed. Just a smiley.:) I hold no grudges in this world, life's too short. I think of that as a testiment to character, and I try to have character.

Hey you're cool...turn this argument into some circus. Whatever' date=' I'm done with you. Don't wanna discuss this, fine. I don't need some anti-American to tell me what I think. Go ahead, be ignorant. Think peace is the solution. Whoa, hey lets not do anything about an agressive country and just sit on our asses and let the situation work itself out. That might fix the problem! Hey, lets allow the enemy to attack us so our people can die, and then we fight! You want some facts, read Article III, Section 3 of the Constitution of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. It describes you well.[/quote']

 

what war was your father in?? Was he in the Marines or Army???

 

My pops was in Vietnam.. 25th Infantry-Army. I too know what war brings... and I should be so lucky my dad ame back safe and in one piece. Not to put down your dad in any way... because at least he did his duty and served his country... like a real solider should... and your dad must have seen all the results of war everyday with his bare hands, trying to save the soldiers as well as possible cilvians because of the destruction war causes first hand... but my dad was in the front lines... battling every day, and night. He isn't pro war... he was drafted. He didn't choose to go and wasn't all happy go lucky about him bing chosen. He was scared shitless.. in fact, he wasn't even a citizen at the time... he couldn't even speak english!! But he went.. served this country proudly, yet doesn't agree with the war in Iraq... so, my point is.. just because we're against the war.. doesn't make us anti-American...

 

thats the most closed minded thing I think I hav heard you say, aside from the anti-gay stuff....

just because we're against the war.. doesn't make us anti-American...

 

I agree, it's crazy...

 

The government/media have really done a number on you guys. (not all of you, obviously)

Drumming into people that if you disagree with anything the government are doing then it's un-American and are scum.

 

"Your either with us or against us...your either good or your evil"

G.W Bush

 

They want you to be mindless cattle....with no free choices. Resist it.

Hey Gareth, I like your new avi! :)

 

 

 

I just don't know why people think that you need to KNOW someone personally in order to have a justified opinion. I have read articles, upon articles, detailed descriptions of the war, studied our history in the Middle East, our views towards terrorism, all of that. I've listened to the soldiers, and I've listened to the activists.

 

 

I have been on BOTH sides. 3 years age(I actually think it was 4 now, I don't know I like to put it behind me) I was pro-Bush. Pro-war. Semi anti-gay. Pro-guns. Everything. I bought every last shitty lie Georgey told me. I believed them all when they talked about WMDs. I defended them much like this person did in this thread whenever someone came against me.

 

I don't know what happened, but then I watched shock and awe on television and something started to change. I was thinking of just all the people who could have been hit without a reason, their houses/temples/hospitals targetted by "accident". And I started thinking "I'm going to start researching this instead of just listening to what my government tells me". So I did. And I decided that Iraq was NOT connected to 9/11. Did not have WMDs. Before the entire country found out that they didn't.

 

I became a staunch liberal then. Then I became a socialist, last year. I still have that in me, to a certain extent. I still love Marx, ;). But I'm done with that now. I know what I believe, and I believe it's right. Hell, I'm entitled to think I'm right and everyone's wrong. And you're entitled to think I'm wrong, but hell. You're wrong!

 

 

And I swear if we go to Iran... I will raise such a fuckin' stink you could smell it in China. I'm so sick of war, it's unbelievable.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So think twice before you call me close minded. I don't think there's many people who've gone through such a kaleidoscope of politics like me.

hey, thanks...

 

and I like they way you've worked. Very sensible.

I have left the dark side! Heh.

 

I wish more people would do it, actually start to think on their own instead of believing what Fox Network puts out there.

 

I love when people are so crazily pro-American. Like "This is the only country where you can talk and not get shot!" actually... it's not. It's probably the least free speech place in the whole western hemisphere. (God, I worded that weird...? LOL) Yes, there are horrible places in this world. And we do have liberties that they don't, and I'm thankful for that. But hell, I've been places in the world that aren't that different from America in terms of freedoms. To me, this place ain't that special where I'd die for it, or pledge my allegiance everyday to it.

 

Too bad more of the country doesn't feel this way. Oh well.

I agree, it's crazy...

 

The government/media have really done a number on you guys. (not all of you, obviously)

Drumming into people that if you disagree with anything the government are doing then it's un-American and are scum.

 

"Your either with us or against us...your either good or your evil"

G.W Bush

 

They want you to be mindless cattle....with no free choices. Resist it.

 

They as in the conspircy theorist.

I have left the dark side! Heh.

 

I wish more people would do it, actually start to think on their own instead of believing what Fox Network puts out there.

 

I love when people are so crazily pro-American. Like "This is the only country where you can talk and not get shot!" actually... it's not. It's probably the least free speech place in the whole western hemisphere. (God, I worded that weird...? LOL) Yes, there are horrible places in this world. And we do have liberties that they don't, and I'm thankful for that. But hell, I've been places in the world that aren't that different from America in terms of freedoms. To me, this place ain't that special where I'd die for it, or pledge my allegiance everyday to it.

 

Too bad more of the country doesn't feel this way. Oh well.

 

hahaha fox news. fox is far from right wing, but agaisnt all over liberal media anyone in the middle seems to lean to the right. if more people listened to fox america would be better off.

They as in the conspircy theorist.

 

What on earth are you on about......"lets mess with the context and people will listen to me, hahaha"

 

Tit.

 

 

P.S...Fox News "far from right wing"? are you on crack? It's chief executive officer is Rupert Murdoch and is run Roger Ailes, a longtime hardcore Republican supporter from the Nixon years.