scourge of the earth:

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7282269.stm

funny how this forum goes wild with rage over anything to do with George W. Bush, but when the truly obvious evil in the world, Islamic Extremism, is highlighted with a post, no response at all...

*zips mouth up to avoid saying something which could get self killed by Muslim Fanatics*

im sorry but if you DONT think that there are two problems here (Israel AND muslim extremists) then you are just being ignorant. I in no way, shape, or form, agree with what these muslim extremists are doing. BUT how many muslims are killed by Israeli soldiers daily? why is Israel allowed to have an occupation force in demilitarized zones, in violation of international law?

 

 

there is more to the problem, you have only hit on half of it

the difference is clear:

 

the israeli military does not target muslim civilians and kill them for political reasons.

 

islamic fanatics do target civilians and do kill them for political reasons

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the israeli military does not target muslim civilians and kill them for political reasons.

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watch this... then keep on making your conclusions... I am sorry its not my or anyones fault on this forum that we disagree sometimes with a passion..

 

See this clip of a film...

 

The directors words of.. the film.

 

How can you show a story on balanced point of view, when the truth is this is it

 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VV8N9J9gJ9c&feature=related

Extremism of ANY kind is dangerous!!!

 

Did you know that historically, the religious group that has killed in the name of God the most is Christians?

 

I think to only look at Muslims is to only see one sliver of the problem, and I'm getting a little tired of them being singled out on this forum.

 

(Not just pointing the finger at you personally, ugadawg:). There seems to have been a lot of it lately.)

Wrong is wrong, whether it is committed by George Orwellian Bush, or by Muslim Fanatics. What drives people to the extremes, and what makes them want to do these things - that's the lock we need to open to solve these problems. I care not for anyone who uses false rhetoric and the control of others to commit such awful acts, be they by our ill-advised "leaders" or by religious fanatics, or by lunatics of any stripe.

One could just as well point to the alliance between certain Christian Fundamentalists, Jewish Fundamentalists, and their push to "settle" the holy lands.

If you build a wall, and call everyone on the other side "Bad" and cattle categorically, you've just done basically what the NAZIS did during WWII, sans the concentration camps. It's discrimination, and leads to further rifts in unity, and a loss of basic human rights at the hands of one group. The suicide bombers, and the religious madrassas are just as bad in what they do - but nobody can claim the high moral ground to put an end to it, when one side creates the conditions that loose the hearts, minds, and respect of the moderates on the other side. Extremists find willing converts when injustices abound - this cannot be denied. Look deeper, and see the root causes to human nature.

One could just as well point to the alliance between certain Christian Fundamentalists, Jewish Fundamentalists, and their push to "settle" the holy lands.

If you build a wall, and call everyone on the other side "Bad" and cattle categorically, you've just done basically what the NAZIS did during WWII, sans the concentration camps. It's discrimination, and leads to further rifts in unity, and a loss of basic human rights at the hands of one group. The suicide bombers, and the religious madrassas are just as bad in what they do - but nobody can claim the high moral ground to put an end to it, when one side creates the conditions that loose the hearts, minds, and respect of the moderates on the other side. Extremists find willing converts when injustices abound - this cannot be denied. Look deeper, and see the root causes to human nature.

 

Well said.

*zips mouth up to avoid saying something which could get self killed by Muslim Fanatics*

 

 

 

Is that taking the piss or what?

One could just as well point to the alliance between certain Christian Fundamentalists, Jewish Fundamentalists, and their push to "settle" the holy lands.

If you build a wall, and call everyone on the other side "Bad" and cattle categorically, you've just done basically what the NAZIS did during WWII, sans the concentration camps. It's discrimination, and leads to further rifts in unity, and a loss of basic human rights at the hands of one group. The suicide bombers, and the religious madrassas are just as bad in what they do - but nobody can claim the high moral ground to put an end to it, when one side creates the conditions that loose the hearts, minds, and respect of the moderates on the other side. Extremists find willing converts when injustices abound - this cannot be denied. Look deeper, and see the root causes to human nature.

 

Second that.

 

I hate even thinking about how people (like this thread starter) see the world. They have got so little education when it comes to the fony "war on terror", Osama and the whole 'hate muslims' thing that it's almost impossible to point out where the serious errors in their argument are.....(it's like trying to do a math exam while under the impression that the number '0' counts as a '1' - you have been given the wrong information in the first place so you are always going to get it all wrong)

 

AND most of the time the so-called "argument" consists of a few words, or media talking points, about how bad these "terrorists" are and that they have done a terrible crime....(which in theis case is true, yeah).....but at the same time the whole agenda by the anglo-american, neo-facists - to create such hatred and cause disruption in the middle-east - goes unmentioned. (when it's documented fact....and these people have control of our countries remember!!!)

 

Lets face it - these past 6-7 years of lies and war are completely uncalled for and were planned by elite scum over 10 years ago - then justified by fake terror attacks. It's the way governments have been working since the roman empire. Just do your reading for crying out loud.

 

If there weren't hundreds of thousands of 'people' (yes, 'people', human beings) who hated they way the US/UK and other western countires behaved towards them and other countires 10 + years ago - then there sure are plenty of them now - and I am one of them. (NOTE: but unlike these idiots who are said to have killed children - I am far more educated and don't think killing any citizen of a country would help matters).

funny how this forum goes wild with rage over anything to do with George W. Bush, but when the truly obvious evil in the world, Islamic Extremism, is highlighted with a post, no response at all...

 

 

It's because you get the story from the end, this awful action was just an reaction for what the zionists criminals doing.

this place is still the same i guess :))))

same thread creaters, same posters, same discussions :P

i'm going to choose not to enter this... its a paradox to even argue about it, because both sides have equally vindictive and stern moral groundings and to argue against the other only inflates the problem more, and besides, theres a lot of people on here that really need to educate themselves more. go to university, don't believe the news and always question what you read and see, then you'll have a real picture on the way the world works.

Who is this thread starter?? Why must he talks about islam everyday? :angry:

this place is still the same i guess :))))

same thread creaters, same posters, same discussions :P

 

Nothing ever changes

im sorry but if you DONT think that there are two problems here (Israel AND muslim extremists) then you are just being ignorant. I in no way, shape, or form, agree with what these muslim extremists are doing. BUT how many muslims are killed by Israeli soldiers daily? why is Israel allowed to have an occupation force in demilitarized zones, in violation of international law?

 

 

there is more to the problem, you have only hit on half of it

 

Why are most contries breaking International law on a bigger scale and no one complains about it? Why do mass genocides go on around the world, and mass starvation and no one pays attention to it?

 

Why are all the bad things the terrorist do in Palestine skipped over? Both sides do bad things, but you only hear negative things about israel....anyone got a logical answer?

My roommate last semester was from Burma, and until he told me about his country I had no clue what went on there, thousands of his people killed each year by the military....the hell his family went through and why they came to America.

 

Where is the world when my friends people are being killed on a larger scale then palestine? where is the public outcry?

 

Is it true morality if we pick and choose when to have it? America and Europe are the moral police of the world, but we pick and choose morality based on race and religion.

 

The fact that this thread creator thinks Islam is the root of all evil show's how ignorant people are, and vise versa on how people only choose to care about life when Israel takes it, while tens of thousands more people die at the hands of other nations and no one mentions it.

Why are most contries breaking International law on a bigger scale and no one complains about it? Why do mass genocides go on around the world, and mass starvation and no one pays attention to it?

 

Why are all the bad things the terrorist do in Palestine skipped over? Both sides do bad things, but you only hear negative things about israel....anyone got a logical answer?

 

Most countries breaking International Law on a bigger scale, what a hell is that?:thinking:. Dude if there any country breach the International Law, that's because they seeing one country breach the International Law several ten times {I think you know this country}.

 

About the mass genocides, Guess who is responsible for this, the same country {I'm not make the things up, it's the real history}

My roommate last semester was from Burma, and until he told me about his country I had no clue what went on there, thousands of his people killed each year by the military....the hell his family went through and why they came to America.

 

Where is the world when my friends people are being killed on a larger scale then palestine? where is the public outcry?

 

Is it true morality if we pick and choose when to have it? America and Europe are the moral police of the world, but we pick and choose morality based on race and religion.

 

The fact that this thread creator thinks Islam is the root of all evil show's how ignorant people are, and vise versa on how people only choose to care about life when Israel takes it, while tens of thousands more people die at the hands of other nations and no one mentions it.

 

 

America and Europe are the moral police in the world:laugh3:. I don't know from where you get all these jokes. Now the most countries who launched wars and occupied the most of the world the most moral police in the world. It's like you let a thief to put a defination for the who called a thief.

Bottom line, more countries are doing worse things to their people and yet you and most people remain silent..you cant pick and chose true morality.

 

PS jordan and syria mistreat Palestinians just as bad as Israel....where is your outcry about this atrocity? or is it ok for Muslims to kill Muslims and to persecute one another?

Bottom line, more countries are doing worse things to their people and yet you and most people remain silent..you cant pick and chose true morality.

 

PS jordan and syria mistreat Palestinians just as bad as Israel....where is your outcry about this atrocity? or is it ok for Muslims to kill Muslims and to persecute one another?

 

 

If there any country mistreat it's people I totally against it, but why USA alaways interfere in certain circumstance even there is no mistreat, let every country handle it alone or USA made itself the world policeman.

 

I don't think that Syria or Jordan mistreated palestinians and even it's happened one time surely it was an accident and you can't compare it with the Israeli curriculum genocide and apartheid.

You've lost the right to speak, when you make up current events and history, you're a nut.

maldini, open up your eyes to the world you idiot.

 

comparatively speaking, what has and is happening in israel isn't very important on a global scale...

 

how about the fact that china, the worlds next superpower represses free speech, censors everything and has a one party, non democratic system and corruption to the hilt? or the fact that instead of spending $1500 a second in iraq, the us could have eliminated third world debts and helped to eradicate poverty. or the fact that the vatican, in it's infinite god-given wisdom decides that it would be better to gold coat its ceilings than to campaign for the use of condoms to prevent the aids epidemic in africa.

 

and for our sake and your own, educate yourself outside the confines of the myopic, paternal world you live in. read, question and be coherent and logical when arguing a point.