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BBC Love to Hate Coldplay?

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I know! No wonder why Chris takes criticism so personally sometimes. How can you not feel bad about yourself after someone gives you that kind of review? I was hoping one of the four people sitting there would speak up and say how brilliant they are and how amazing their music is... but all of them seemed to agree on disliking Coldplay. I love the band so much that negative criticism affects me as well... I feel like a protective parent! Haha

:laugh3: i know what u mean.....im like that aswell...but with razorlight (if you hate them dont tell me ;) :laugh3: )

 

everyone always slags off them...johnny borrell more-so and then im like a protective parent :laugh3: he's a bloody nice guy :D and my idol

The bulk of that piece was total crap, but during the panel discussion I have to admit one of them made some points I agree with.

 

I cant help but feel to a certain degree that this record comes across forced in a way previous records never did. Though I embrace natural change in artists I do get the impression that they all sat down and intended to make this record a certain way and within certain parameters rather than letting their creativity flow and seeing what changes came of it through time. And in throwing out everything that worked for them in the past right down to burying Chris's vocal in case someone recognized it (first comment my sister and I had while listening to the new record), its lost a bit of its magic for me.

 

Unlike the panel members I've always loved the simple but effective picture Chris's lyrics have painted for me. And on quite a few of these songs (Viva la Vida, Violet Hill) I think he's done an exceptional job again, but a few of them seem detached and not as from the heart as his past work. A bit as if again he felt his natural thinking ability might not be adequate and he should spruce it up by 1) writing from a perspective not his own or in such metaphoric terms it can be hard to understand, and 2) just flat out not including many lyrics period. An example for me would be 42, though I enjoy the lyrics he does include in this song, I personally don't feel there are enough. This trend is repeated in songs like Death and All his Friends. So for me, someone whom his lyrics in particular have always resonated with, it was a bit of a let down.

 

But this garbage about people loving to hate coldplay makes me ill, as most of the time people who have a problem with them make some comment to me like "well I like their music but I hate Chris Martin" What the hell?? Unless I'm mistaken a majority of these people have never met the man and base their general dislike on rumors of his eating habits and lifestyle choices. Why they can listen to someone who sleeps around and trashes hotel rooms without blinking an eye but can't lower themselves to listen to a vegetarian who happened to marry an actress is utterly beyond me. And I am so sick of it I kinda freak out on people about it now. It makes no sense to me and I have never seem them attack another musician like that...ever.

I watched about 5 minutes then turned it off.

 

Good for them if they love to hate Coldplay, thanks for letting us know, it's easy to take a pop at Coldplay. It's been done before and it'll be done again. In the interests of healthy debate it may have been more interesting to have a panellist that had something positive to say.

 

There's about ten times them amount of people that love to love them though (or at least love them but won't admit to it :P)

This made me laugh; clearly John Harris is after some attention. As they say in these parts, he doesn't know his a*s* from his elbow. Coldplay encourages debate, now that can't be a bad thing. What kind of lover of music is this John Harris? For example his description, “their lyrics tends to be stuffed with non sequitur of the worst home spun existential wisdom”, in your own words John, pardon? Given that moments before he muttered that bunch of clichés he was going on about Coldplay and over use of clichés, I have to say, he’s the only one I’d accuse of cliché storming and very badly at that. I’m not sure he’s said anything or proved any point other than the obvious; if we take a bunch of words and repeat them in a monotone voice they quickly lose their meaning and character. Take for example, Barcelona by Queen, lets repeat Barcelona…Barcelona….Barcelona….Barcelona.. Did that do anything for you? No me neither however now add in the phenomenal music the brilliant voice and we have a masterpiece!

 

I’ve never regarded Coldplay’s work as highfaluting in the slightest. In fact I think John Harris is hugely pretentious and like many pretentious folk not really saying anything and hanging off the coattails of our contemporaries successes!

 

Anyway that's just what I think :)

It's all "me, me, me" with him isn't it. I bet he jerks off while watching himself on TV.

its like Im listening to my dad... I couldnt disagree more with that man.

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The bulk of that piece was total crap, but during the panel discussion I have to admit one of them made some points I agree with.

 

I cant help but feel to a certain degree that this record comes across forced in a way previous records never did. Though I embrace natural change in artists I do get the impression that they all sat down and intended to make this record a certain way and within certain parameters rather than letting their creativity flow and seeing what changes came of it through time. And in throwing out everything that worked for them in the past right down to burying Chris's vocal in case someone recognized it (first comment my sister and I had while listening to the new record), its lost a bit of its magic for me.

 

Unlike the panel members I've always loved the simple but effective picture Chris's lyrics have painted for me. And on quite a few of these songs (Viva la Vida, Violet Hill) I think he's done an exceptional job again, but a few of them seem detached and not as from the heart as his past work. A bit as if again he felt his natural thinking ability might not be adequate and he should spruce it up by 1) writing from a perspective not his own or in such metaphoric terms it can be hard to understand, and 2) just flat out not including many lyrics period. An example for me would be 42, though I enjoy the lyrics he does include in this song, I personally don't feel there are enough. This trend is repeated in songs like Death and All his Friends. So for me, someone whom his lyrics in particular have always resonated with, it was a bit of a let down.

 

But this garbage about people loving to hate coldplay makes me ill, as most of the time people who have a problem with them make some comment to me like "well I like their music but I hate Chris Martin" What the hell?? Unless I'm mistaken a majority of these people have never met the man and base their general dislike on rumors of his eating habits and lifestyle choices. Why they can listen to someone who sleeps around and trashes hotel rooms without blinking an eye but can't lower themselves to listen to a vegetarian who happened to marry an actress is utterly beyond me. And I am so sick of it I kinda freak out on people about it now. It makes no sense to me and I have never seem them attack another musician like that...ever.

 

It's funny you say that because the more I learn about Coldplay, more Chris Martin in general, the more I start to agree with you a little bit. I think that this album is fantastic, I really do. But as I listen to Chris talk during interviews I can see that he is embarrassed by his lyrics some of the time. He doesn't write as personally as he did when the band first started and like he said in the Hour interview he wouldn't write songs like Fix You, In My Place, and Green Eyes (I can't remember exactly which songs he picked and I'm not about to go through and watch the interview online again to find out) but I don't understand why? Because people will criticize them? Or him? The songs they wrote before were and are beautiful... those songs are what makes the band... and I don't think they really need to be racking their brains for more intense or universal lyrics... because the songs that remain my favorites are the classics... Shiver, Yellow, Fix You, Trouble, In My Place, and Warning Sign.... which by the way, Chris didn't even want on the album but he was outvoted by the rest of the band. Imagine if we never heard Warning Sign?

I don't know. I just think that Chris is too hard on himself.

Ditto. I'm beginning to wonder if we'll ever hear beauties in the same league as See You Soon and Careful Where You Stand.

That man is very close minded.

 

Hes clearly only intrested in music that speaks to a generation like the Sex Pistols in the 70's or Nirvana in the 90's.... its a very closed aproach to music.

 

Then he makes comments than Coldplay's lyrics say nothing about the man, of course they do, the other guy hit it on the head 'he thinks too much' I can relate to Coldplay's music the same way to Radiohead. The minds behind it mimic my own. The otherwise pretensious and silly lyrics that seem like lazy rhyming couplets to me mean something and im sure they do to Chris Martin too.

 

The guy just doesn't get it, Coldplay clearly succeeded here, I don't think anyone there was really bashing it more pulling it apart.

 

And the thing about music, its not meant to be disected, its composed of overlapping items of depth.

Don't you just hate those dickheads who walk up the street at half the speed of everyone else and get in the way of lunch :dozey:

Don't you just hate those dickheads who walk up the street at half the speed of everyone else and get in the way of lunch :dozey:

 

Or those dickheads who you are following and just randomly stop in the middle of the street

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I'm sure that I'm not only speaking for myself when I say this but... Coldplay could write 'total shit' and I wouldn't even know it. I would love it because it's from them, it's by them, and they're the ones singing it to us.

COLDPLAY rule and the bbc is shit

they suck as a tv company and dont know shit!:veryangry:

i hope bbc burn in hell, they are useless

Don't say that, unless you want all tv programs to have blatant product placements and with adverts to the raffers ;)

 

And also if you want 'safe' tv shows which don't take risks, as the shareholders won't like a tv show to make a loss

COLDPLAY rule and the bbc is shit

they suck as a tv company and dont know shit!:veryangry:

i hope bbc burn in hell, they are useless

 

i dont think its the bbc...but its most of the people who they employ are who are shit....if u look at it most of the radio 1 presenters love coldplay...its these shitty wannabe journalists and reviewers who want to make a name for them selves dont know good music then it hits them

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