'If you're going to cane me, then do it in public': Muslim model ready to pay penalty for drinking b

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'If you're going to cane me, then do it in public': Muslim model ready to pay penalty for drinking beer

 

 

By Mail Foreign Service

Last updated at 12:34 PM on 22nd August 2009

 

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Kartika at her father's house after insisting that she should be caned

 

A Muslim model brushed aside an appeal by human rights group Amnesty International to Malaysian authorities not to cane her, saying she is ready to face the penalty for drinking beer.

 

Kartika Sari Dewi Shukarno, a 32-year-old mother of two, insisted she is ready to be lashed six times with a rattan cane next week for breaching the country's Shariah law, which forbids Muslims to consume alcohol.

 

'I want to respect the law,' Kartika said.

 

'Who am I to question the Islamic authorities' laws? That is beyond me.

'I never cried when I was sentenced by the judge. I told myself, all right then, let's get on with it. But if you're going to cane me, then do it in public.'

 

Miss Shukarno, 32, was sentenced to six lashes by an Islamic court after she was caught with alcohol in a raid on a hotel nightclub in eastern Pahang state last year.

 

The married mother of two will be caned next week following her decision not to appeal her sentence.

 

Amnesty International had urged authorities to 'immediately revoke the sentence to cane her and abolish the practice of caning altogether.'

'Caning is a form of cruel, inhuman and degrading punishment and is prohibited under international human rights law,' it said in a statement.

 

But Miss Shukarno has even asked for the caning to be carried out in public to send a clear message to Muslims that they should shun alcohol.

 

Prosecutor Saiful Idham Sahimi said: 'It is a good punishment because under Islamic law a person who drinks commits a serious offence.'

 

He added that a rattan cane 'lighter than the one for men' would be used, and that its purpose was to 'educate' rather than punish.

 

Punishment: Muslim model Kartika Sari Dewi Shukarno will become the first woman in Malaysia to be caned after being caught drinking alcohol

 

Muslims, who make up two-thirds of Malaysia's 28million population, are governed by sharia law. Although most alcohol offenders are fined, they can also be caned.

 

Women's rights groups attacked the penalty as being 'too harsh'.

 

Yesterday the court set a one-week period starting next Monday for the sentence to be carried out in a woman's prison, Saiful said. Prison authorities will decide when to cane her during that period.

He said Kartika will remain in prison during that time and will be released 'as soon as possible' after the caning is carried out.

 

Caning, administered on the buttocks, breaks the skin and leaves permanent scars. Kartika said earlier that she wanted authorities to cane her as soon as possible so she can resume her life with her husband and children.

 

 

 

Defiant: Muslim model Kartika Sari Dewi Shukarno with her children Muhammad, 7, left, and Kaitlynn, 5

 

 

 

 

Most alcohol offenders are fined, but the crime also carries a three-year prison term and caning.

 

Non-Muslims are governed by civil courts, which also impose caning for offenses such as rape and corruption. Men over 50, women and children are exempt under civil law.

A Muslim man and woman were also arrested during a series of raids in Cherating, a beach town in Pahang state, on the night when Kartika was arrested.

Both were also sentenced to caning, but have appealed.

 

Malaysian clubs and lounges typically serve alcohol and are not legally required to check if customers are Muslims before serving them.

 

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[Cobalt]

You like making topics about the newest outrage in the Muslim world, don'tcha Mark?

[Ahlem]

yeah please stop with that

 

it's Ramadhan leave us free

[nothingtoseehere]

Exactly, Mark. Leave us alone.

 

That woman knew drinking was a serious offence, and she still did it, so... It's like when a person takes illegal drugs, that's against the law where you come from, right Mark?

 

Besides, it has been reported that the caning will be done gently. Kartika could've appealed, but she didn't because she believes she deserves the punishment. So we can't do anything, can we?

 

I do think it's seriously unfair though. A lot of high profile Malaysian Muslims drink and they get let off without anyone giving a care in the world. Stinks of hypocrisy.

[Tnspieler1012]

Exactly, Mark. Leave us alone.

 

That woman knew drinking was a serious offence, and she still did it, so... It's like when a person takes illegal drugs, that's against the law where you come from, right Mark?

 

Besides, it has been reported that the caning will be done gently. Kartika could've appealed, but she didn't because she believes she deserves the punishment. So we can't do anything, can we?

 

I do think it's seriously unfair though. A lot of high profile Malaysian Muslims drink and they get let off without anyone giving a care in the world. Stinks of hypocrisy.

wow, lol

[Ahlem]

that's enough, you're having ennemies here

i tell you

 

why are you always being in need to post such threads, and first of ALL about Islam, you're already done with three of them, that was what i thought until i looked in the news/sport section :angry:

here

here

here

and here

 

EDIT: still there are lots of another threads

[Zeya]

Enough of all this negative remarks about Islam. You don't even know anything about our religion, so stop judging!!

[Ahlem]

Enough of all this negative remarks about Islam. You don't even know anything about our religion, so stop judging!!

 

good!!!

you're muslim by the way :nice:

[Zeya]

Yes I am, and a proud one for that matter :hug:

[Tnspieler1012]

He's not making remarks, (or saying anything for that matter) just posting articles about serious things going on in the world. Do you consider the article about a woman willing to get caned for drinking alcohol racist? just because it involves islam?

[rudy_o]

Mark, stop it. Please.

 

I don't want to argue anything with you, because I know you'll never give up, but you should know that religions sometimes can be sensitive issues. We have our own religions, we have our own beliefs. Like what Ahlem has said, this is not the first time. The thread list that Ahlem wrote above is actually way much longer than that.

 

I try to be as nice as I could be, because it's Ramadan, we need to respect this holy month.

[rudy_o]

He's not making remarks, (or saying anything for that matter) just posting articles about serious things going on in the world. Do you consider the article about a woman willing to get caned for drinking alcohol racist? just because it involves islam?

This is not the first time....

[Ahlem]

He's not making remarks, (or saying anything for that matter) just posting articles about serious things going on in the world. Do you consider the article about a woman willing to get caned for drinking alcohol racist? just because it involves islam?

 

no! we don't think it's racist

but Mark is gone so far

it's like he wants people to pay attention to him and think how wise he is and cultured

but using this kind of subject...that's a pity!

 

it's tough but this is gone so far honestly!

 

Yes I am, and a proud one for that matter :hug:

:hug:

[Zeya]

He's not making remarks, (or saying anything for that matter) just posting articles about serious things going on in the world. Do you consider the article about a woman willing to get caned for drinking alcohol racist? just because it involves islam?

 

This is not the first time he did this. He has insulted our religion before by posting a photo of a Muslim woman and making fun of it, among other things. This is just another thread that he created in the intention to provoke people to insult us.

 

Yes, I'm very defensive when it comes to my religion. Call me whatever you want.

[Tnspieler1012]

I'm aware of that, I know there's been an increase in islam-related articles every since that idiotic headscarf ban argument. But Mark didn't write the article (which is very fairly written), and I find it amazing that everyone so far has attacked Mark, and not even bothered to comment on the very real atrocity in the article.

[rudy_o]

I'm aware of that, I know there's been an increase in islam-related articles every since that idiotic headscarf ban argument. But Mark didn't write the article (which is very fairly written), and I find it amazing that everyone so far has attacked Mark, and not even bothered to comment on the very real atrocity in the article.

Why on earth he needs to post Islam-related articles by the way?

[Ahlem]

our religion is our life

that's what i want to add

 

 

and Mark has to stop.

[Zeya]

I'm aware of that, I know there's been an increase in islam-related articles every since that idiotic headscarf ban argument. But Mark didn't write the article (which is very fairly written), and I find it amazing that everyone so far has attacked Mark, and not even bothered to comment on the very real atrocity in the article.

 

I know, but we've faced so much of insults from Mark that this post has ticked us off. I don't mind if anyone wants to talk about atrocity, but coming from Mark, we know that it will always lead to offence and insults.

[Tnspieler1012]

This is not the first time he did this. He has insulted our religion before by posting a photo of a Muslim woman and making fun of it, among other things. This is just another thread that he created in the intention to provoke people to insult us.

 

Yes, I'm very defensive when it comes to my religion. Call me whatever you want.

I don't intend to insult anyone, and there's nothing wrong with being defensive, but everybody should just chill. Forum's are all about discussion, a sharing of opinions...if you have a problem give us yours, but don't demand that people be censored just because you don't want to hear it.

Why on earth he needs to post Islam-related articles by the way?

Maybe he thinks its an important subject to address. Not necessarily Islam so much as the relation between religion and the state.

 

our religion is our life

that's what i want to add

 

 

and Mark has to stop.

Why? What are you afraid of? Religion & Politics are sensitive matters for everyone, but its ignorant to try to stunt free speech because you might be offended by an article that doesn't even give an author's opinion. If you don't like it, ignore the thread (or ignore mark).

[nothingtoseehere]

I know, but we've faced so much of insults from Mark that this post has ticked us off. I don't mind if anyone wants to talk about atrocity, but coming from Mark, we know that it will always lead to offence and insults.

 

Exactly. The reason why we're all wound up is because we know Mark's not innocently posting these articles. He's obviously anti-religion, and by posting articles that have MUSLIM followed by something deemed outrageous by non-muslims, it's obviously to point out that Islam is so wrong when it actually isn't. And then some people will insult Islam because they read these articles and believe Islam is a cruel religion when it actually is not. Most people just don't understand it, that's all, and like to comment negatively on things they just don't get.

[Guest howyousawtheworld]

40 lashes for drinking beer. Does punishment in the Muslim world always have to revolve around violence? No. Most factions in Christianity (except Catholic etc) allow gays and women to be ministers so why doesn't Islam get with the times and relax?

[Zeya]

40 lashes for drinking beer. Does punishment in the Muslim world always have to revolve around violence?

 

I don't think this will change your perspective on this matter, but I will try my best to explain this regardless.

 

Firstly, there are many stages that Muslims has to go through before a punishment is carried out. Judging, defending and everything else is done through this. I'm not sure about the stages myself as I have yet to learn everything about my religion. After everything is taken into consideration, only then the punishment for a person is decided. Therefore, we do not simply catch someone who commits a sin and punish them unfairly.

 

Secondly, consuming alcohol is a very big sin in our religion. Someone who is drunk is not in a rasional state of mind, therefore they are capable of doing a lot of other crimes/sin, including raping and killing. So consuming alcohol is not only harmful to the drinker, but it can bring a lot of danger to the people around him or her, hence the punishment that comes with it. As it was said before, alcohol consumption has the pros and cons, but the cons is much greater than the pros.

 

However, this is only retricted to drinking. Alcohol is allowed/can still be used for medication and other purposes for the benefit of humankind.

 

I know there are a lot to argue based on my explanation, but I'm not the best person to explain this to all of you. I'm not doing justice to my religion, so pardon me for that.

[Ahlem]

 

Why? What are you afraid of? Religion & Politics are sensitive matters for everyone, but its ignorant to try to stunt free speech because you might be offended by an article that doesn't even give an author's opinion. If you don't like it, ignore the thread (or ignore mark).

pfffffffft when did say i'm afraid, you think i defend my beliefs because i'm afraid!

oh please

 

and are you joking, how can i ignore such threads, it's about my religion, and everything which touches my religion touches me!

if i don't defend my religion then i don't respect it

 

 

we're all trying to make Mark understand that he's gone far, and he better stops

[Ahlem]

I don't think this will change your perspective on this matter, but I will try my best to explain this regardless.

 

Firstly, there are many stages that Muslims has to go through before a punishment is carried out. Judging, defending and everything else is done through this. I'm not sure about the stages myself as I have yet to learn everything about my religion. After everything is taken into consideration, only then the punishment for a person is decided. Therefore, we do not simply catch someone who commits a sin and punish them unfairly.

 

Secondly, consuming alcohol is a very big sin in our religion. Someone who is drunk is not in a rasional state of mind, therefore they are capable of doing a lot of other crimes/sin, including raping and killing. So consuming alcohol is not only harmful to the drinker, but it can bring a lot of danger to the people around him or her, hence the punishment that comes with it. As it was said before, alcohol consumption has the pros and cons, but the cons is much greater than the pros.

 

However, this is only retricted to drinking. Alcohol is allowed/can still be used for medication and other purposes for the benefit of humankind.

 

I know there are a lot to argue based on my explanation, but I'm not the best person to explain this to all of you. I'm not doing justice to my religion, so pardon me for that.

:thumbsup:

[Josh42]

Chris is spot on. It's not about the religion, it's about the state's affiliation with the religion.