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i hate when members of my family says people who commit suicide are stupid.

I say more than 5 teenagers commit suicide every year in my town and surrounding area alone. It's not the biggest place.

And even more adults.

 

My old geography teacher tried to commit suicide.

She came back teaching after the summer holdiays and still is.

Everyone has the right to end their own life. Sure it's selfish, but that's the way life works, suicidal people have been through a load of shit, usually, and if they want to kill themselves they should be able to.

I think if you want to end your life, you shouldn't have someone else do it for you...

 

Yeah, we once had a heated debate over medical, assisted suicide in my house , and I don't think anyone has the right to hand someone else a gun and force them, by law, to kill you.

In some countries like Switerland you can go to the hospital and request to be killed. I think i'ts called death help or something.

 

 

Euthanasia. <<--- But that one is different since its done for people who are sick (it varies on the person's condition). But the catholic church is against that, by the way.

Lets get emo for a minute. Do you ever think about death, seriously think about it? The other day I was doing my usual soul searching by the lake while working on a paper and being watched by a hobo and realized I could die at any minute. This may sound stupid, but how many people actually live knowing they could die at any moment? We all accept death but for most people we act like it something in the distant future, nothing to be concerned with until we're 90.

 

It seems like we put things off or ignore things because we have an artificial view that death is something that won't happen til later and we're entitled to a long life. I know I'm guilty of this, having a illogical view that tomorrow will always come and everything can wait til later.

 

 

That's just what I think, how do you feel about it?

 

meh... you could say that statistically, it's much more likely that you will live a long life, and worrying about tomorrow doesn't matter as much. I mean it's always possible, but when I think about death, or life... I usually think in a way that's more like I only have 50 more years or so left to live, and that is my one chance to change the world... That's not long enough... But it's also not to say that what I do in life will really change things or matter...

Better to not worry too much when you're young, as that's usually so far off - I have to agree with you Caroline. It jars us loose of our firm moorings too much, I think, to be too concerned about our own demise. Well, maybe just for Halloween it's alright!:thinking2:

If it is their will to die that's what I'm talking about. Whatever your mind decides to do no matter what your body is capable. If you can't kill yourself but someone will do it for you as long as you made the decision you're in control of your body.

In my country it's considered as a murder, a mother who killed his son who was paraplegic and was asking her to help has been judged, fortunately she's was'nt condamned to jail... The law must change, that's all :wink:

 

Its not about that some people life is horrible and others is good. Its about their attitude to life. Some people just cant get out of some difficult situations in their heads.

Agreed

Most of the people who commit suicide are just looking for help...

Its not about that some people life is horrible and others is good. Its about their attitude to life. Some people just cant get out of some difficult situations in their heads.

 

THIS

 

I don't judge suicide until I understand the context. Obviously there are conceivable situations where suicide would even be encouraged. However, the vast majority of suicides are for selfish and idiotic reasons. I've read that statistically, something like 90% of people who have survived jumps off of the golden gate bridge, instantly regretted it in mid-air. Imagine how the countless people who didn't survive felt before they hit the water?

 

That's interesting. And sad.

 

Everyone has the right to end their own life. Sure it's selfish, but that's the way life works, suicidal people have been through a load of shit, usually, and if they want to kill themselves they should be able to.

 

They usually have been through a lot of things they label as deep shit. From what I know (have heard), most of their reasons for committing suicide are kinda weak. But sure, if they want to end their life, they should be able to; though it's better if they have someone who would make them think again.

Because I want to believe in something after death, but because I logically can't, thinking about death turns me into a contradicting hypocrite. So I don't like to think about it.

Point taken. Fine.

I probably have a good life but when I'm in deep shit I don't think of ever killing myself.

 

Still, if one of your best friends was having those thoughts, you wouldn't label her weak or selfish, would you? Plus it's those sort of thoughts that drive people to doing it - self-inferiority. That's why I got a bit angry at your post.

i think of death when my brain goes into overdrive. death to me isnt something to be afraid of, and if i die i will die knowing that it was meant to be and all things happen for a reason. so, no , the prospect of death doesnt scare me.

Still, if one of your best friends was having those thoughts, you wouldn't label her weak or selfish, would you? Plus it's those sort of thoughts that drive people to doing it - self-inferiority. That's why I got a bit angry at your post.

 

Of course I cant say that infront of her face. Ok, my bad for upsetting you, but it's my opinion. :)

I'm terrified of death; not for me, but for the people that I would leave behind. I don't ever want to put my sister or my parents or friends in that situation, because I see what grief does to people and how it changes them. I would feel terrible for putting them in that position.

 

Usually death is not personal to me, but in the last week I have known two people who have died. I didn't know either of them well, but there were connections that I had with them in the past. And lately all I can do is think about them, and what their families must be going through. It has really put death in the front of my mind because when I think hard about it, I don't know what will happen when I die; I don't know what will happen to me (heaven? nothing at all?) and I don't know what it will do to my family. I cry whenever I think about it, but I can't seem to put it out of my mind.

Death is my biggest fear by far. I'm afraid that I will just cease to exist. It's weird but it's like I know once i'm dead it doesn't matter, but what i'm afraid is that everything will go to black and i'll live in a completely black world, where I cannot see hear or move.

 

I had my aunt that died a few years ago after she had an operation and I think that that really made me realize how we can go at any minute. I usually don't think about it, but there are sometimes that it just pops in my head and sometimes freaks me out.

 

Of course there is nothing we can do about it and it is just another life process... still doesn't mean that i'm not afraid of it.

Death is my biggest fear by far. I'm afraid that I will just cease to exist. It's weird but it's like I know once i'm dead it doesn't matter, but what i'm afraid is that everything will go to black and i'll live in a completely black world, where I cannot see hear or move.

While I don't pretend to know what death is like, I think the biggest mistake people make is to imagine being conscious while dead. Its understandable, as we can't physically imagine 'not existing', but everybody thinks of being themselves as they are now, after death, I've always felt the 'black world' you just described is unrealistic considering you won't have a body.

How true^^ . Death leaves a silence where there was once a presence - the conversation, warmth, laughter, interactions with another.. But change is the ever-present force of the universe, and the good memories last on with us, as wonderful stories & remembrances of things past. It's natural to be concerned with what disruptions may occur in the lives of those we care about - how true. Plan the best for what is inevitable, but worry less, for all of life presents challenges, and none of us is ever perfect with the unpredictable events of life.

While I don't pretend to know what death is like, I think the biggest mistake people make is to imagine being conscious while dead. Its understandable, as we can't physically imagine 'not existing', but everybody thinks of being themselves as they are now, after death, I've always felt the 'black world' you just described is unrealistic considering you won't have a body.

 

that's true, and i know that my logic behind it is not solid because i will ultimately lose conscienceness. But like you said for me it's difficult to imagine not existing, like i'm trying to think about it now, but i can't get my head around it.

So the neural network that is our consciousness goes off, but yet the interactions we have with others continues on, so we have impacted part of the nexus of collective human consciousness, which can manifest itself in ways beyond any which we may presently fathom.. We enter the stream, swim with it for a while, and then exit it - as we are both part of it, and apart from it, depending on the time, the moment, the thought, and the action..

that's true, and i know that my logic behind it is not solid because i will ultimately lose conscienceness. But like you said for me it's difficult to imagine not existing, like i'm trying to think about it now, but i can't get my head around it.

we should have this thread renamed to 'stuff we can't imagine'. Like infinite, or a five-dimensional world, or sigur ros being any more awesome.