deaths_friend Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 this was quite entertaining to watch. [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Im8WhG-8FGw&feature=topvideos_news]YouTube - Part 1: Jon Stewart Goes Head-to-Head Bill O'Reilly[/ame] [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7fIjufCPsg&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL]YouTube - Part 2: Jon Stewart Goes Head-to-Head With Bill O'Reilly[/ame] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Osaka Sun Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 John whoops ass, and John whoops ass again. You can't explain that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_gloaming09 Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 :lol: I love how O'Reilly gets so frustrated and angry, but Stewart is so calm. Though it's interesting how O'Reilly dodges the question about banning assault weapons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Osaka Sun Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 He's a hardcore conservative, as well as the rest of Fox News, while claiming they're "Fair and Balanced." They're so obsessed with the bloody 2nd Amendment ("the right to bear arms"), that when any attempt is made to place rules on owning guns while the US remains at the top of the world in gun crimes and homicides, they pull out the Nazi card on command. They'd rather care about the freedom to willfully harm others rather than people actually having the liberty to live a satisfying life (you know, without being shot). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deaths_friend Posted May 19, 2011 Author Share Posted May 19, 2011 that was great but this is my favourite video of Fox getting F'd in the A [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DI7u-TytRU]YouTube - Bill Clinton Kicks the Crap out of Fox News Part 1[/ame] [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L2513JFJsY&feature=related]YouTube - Clinton Kicks the Crap out of Fox News Part 2[/ame] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_gloaming09 Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 He's a hardcore conservative, as well as the rest of Fox News, while claiming they're "Fair and Balanced." They're so obsessed with the bloody 2nd Amendment (AKA "the right to bear arms"), that when any attempt is made to place rules on owning guns while the US remains at the top of the world in gun crimes and homicides, they pull out the Nazi card on command. They'd rather care about the freedom to harm rather than people actually having the liberty to, you know, to actually live a decent life in their own country. yeah... they say they're fair and balanced but clearly they lean to one side (as well as many other news organizations and anchors... not to say they're right either). The whole 2nd amendment is old and outdated and should be repealed IMO. I can understand why it was instated when the Bill of Rights was set up, because after coming from the Revolutionary War and tensions still being high between the US and UK, it makes sense that the government wanted to ensure that people could bear arms especially since the army was probably not as strong. However today there is no reason for a person to own a gun. I understand the whole self defense aspect, but if guns were banned there would be no need for them in the first place, and I think it'd be harder for people to commit crimes and murder. Once again it goes back to the whole impression we give to the world. Being a country that spends more money on the military than any other, this is just another example of how it makes it seem the citizens are bloodthirsty. And as you mentioned the US has a huge amount of homicides. I can understand people like to hunt... then rent a gun in specified hunting locations or something. I just think that a country with little to no guns would be safer for the citizens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_gloaming09 Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 that was great but this is my favourite video of Fox getting F'd in the A YouTube - Bill Clinton Kicks the Crap out of Fox News Part 1 well either way you got to admit that Clinton is a smooth talker and can get his way out of any situation...haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deaths_friend Posted May 19, 2011 Author Share Posted May 19, 2011 has everyone seen Bowling for Columbine? it provides a really compelling view on American gun culture and what creates it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_gloaming09 Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 has everyone seen Bowling for Columbine? it provides a really compelling view on American gun culture and what creates it. I have not seen it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck kottke Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 He's a hardcore conservative, as well as the rest of Fox News, while claiming they're "Fair and Balanced." They're so obsessed with the bloody 2nd Amendment ("the right to bear arms"), that when any attempt is made to place rules on owning guns while the US remains at the top of the world in gun crimes and homicides, they pull out the Nazi card on command. They'd rather care about the freedom to willfully harm others rather than people actually having the liberty to live a satisfying life (you know, without being shot). They're all about marketing and repeated lies told convincingly enough to an audience wanting to believe those lies. And yes, the 2nd amendment - as the old joke goes, "the right to keep and arm bears" :laugh3: Or maybe boars, in the case of the conservatives. Yes, a lot of homicides here, really I think we top the world in that sense. Quite awful that is. It's, I think, more of a problem with handguns than anything else. If the conservatives love their guns so much, then they could go the extra mile to offer government paid education programs to keep the guns safe and out of the hands of minors, reduce domestic abuse by protecting battered women and children, and tighten up the background checks. Instead they seem to want the opposite. They see it as the ultimate check on power I suppose, or at least in their imaginations, as we sell away our last rights to the corporations and their owners... oh wait, isn't that the owners of Faux news and most other major news outlets? And guess who stirs up the angst here.. hm, little wonder we're in the boat we're in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Osaka Sun Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 yeah... they say they're fair and balanced but clearly they lean to one side (as well as many other news organizations and anchors... not to say they're right either). The whole 2nd amendment is old and outdated and should be repealed IMO. I can understand why it was instated when the Bill of Rights was set up, because after coming from the Revolutionary War and tensions still being high between the US and UK, it makes sense that the government wanted to ensure that people could bear arms especially since the army was probably not as strong. However today there is no reason for a person to own a gun. I understand the whole self defense aspect, but if guns were banned there would be no need for them in the first place, and I think it'd be harder for people to commit crimes and murder. Once again it goes back to the whole impression we give to the world. Being a country that spends more money on the military than any other, this is just another example of how it makes it seem the citizens are bloodthirsty. And as you mentioned the US has a huge amount of homicides. I can understand people like to hunt... then rent a gun in specified hunting locations or something. I just think that a country with little to no guns would be safer for the citizens The biggest argument against gun control is because of the totalitarian regimes ie. Stalin, Hitler that totally banned them (to prevent a revolution when people finally had enough of the shit they were doing). The problem is, in the United States ANY regulation to ensure some random whackjob won't get a gun is quickly kicked out because of the insane paranoia that "the socialist gov'mint is out to get them, destroy their freedoms," etc. Then something like the Arizona assassination attempts happens, another proposal is suggested, and then the NRA shows up to fuck everything over. The cycle continues, again and again. And then when people like Michael Moore expose the truth, the knee-jerk reaction is "don't leat thaayet stupid liberal take away our gawwwns" :facepalm: Today, the strongest democracies in the world have some of the stringiest regulations on firearms available - see Japan, Canada, and most of Western Europe. We make sure that every other civil liberty (as if killing another person is a right, jeez) is assured from our governments, and we're doing just fine. We're freaking serious about it. And yeah, it's those same Republicans who passed the Patriot Act, loves to impose Christian values, makes sure that the top 1% of wage earners in the United States hold over 30% of the total wealth, and brutally hates women, minorities and gays. And has created the "military industrial complex" that if it was imposed on the American people to suppress dissent, the rednecks would have no chance. Oh the irony... I honestly don't get America sometimes. Thank god there's at least some people like Stewart (and Stephen Colbert) with some ounce of reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_gloaming09 Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 They're all about marketing and repeated lies told convincingly enough to an audience wanting to believe those lies. And yes, the 2nd amendment - as the old joke goes, "the right to keep and arm bears" :laugh3: Or maybe boars, in the case of the conservatives. Yes, a lot of homicides here, really I think we top the world in that sense. Quite awful that is. It's, I think, more of a problem with handguns than anything else. If the conservatives love their guns so much, then they could go the extra mile to offer government paid education programs to keep the guns safe and out of the hands of minors, reduce domestic abuse by protecting battered women and children, and tighten up the background checks. Instead they seem to want the opposite. They see it as the ultimate check on power I suppose, or at least in their imaginations, as we sell away our last rights to the corporations and their owners... oh wait, isn't that the owners of Faux news and most other major news outlets? And guess who stirs up the angst here.. hm, little wonder we're in the boat we're in. I think if they promoted gun safety and limiting the sale of guns as well as running background checks it'd be better. To be honest I don't see them ever banning guns here because people in the south or the "heart" of the country are too into their guns. To be honest, I'd feel much safer knowing that guns were taken away. I think that some of the news organizations made a good point that Obama should've used that shooting tragedy in Arizona as a way to get rid of guns. I mean honestly how many school shootings or deaths is it going to take for people to come to their senses? If you think that allowing everyone to have guns makes things safer then you're a fool and you just have to look at the statistics. The only thing that I will give Fox, is that it shows the more conservative side of the story. To be honest when it comes to the news I like to watch and read all sides and then make a judgement based off my experiences and morals to what I agree with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deaths_friend Posted May 19, 2011 Author Share Posted May 19, 2011 in all fairness to Fox. you will be far fetched to find any media organisation that is completely unbiased. in order to pull in an audience you need to appeal to a certain segment of society and you do that by skewing your coverage towards a certain side. down here the publicly funded media outlets are fairly influential and prominent and despite the fact they are by law supposed to be unbiased they have a very obvious soft spot for left wing politics, cos it is the sexier side of politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_gloaming09 Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 The biggest argument against gun control is because of the totalitarian regimes ie. Stalin, Hitler that totally banned them (to prevent a revolution when people finally had enough of the shit they were doing). The problem is, in the United States ANY regulation to ensure some random whackjob won't get a gun is quickly shot down because of the insane paranoia that "the socialist gov'mint is out to get them, destroy their freedoms," etc. Then something like the Arizona assassination attempts happens, another proposal is suggested, and then the NRA shows up to fuck everything over. The cycle continues, again and again. And then when people like Michael Moore expose the truth, the knee-jerk reaction is "don't leat thaayet stupid liberal take away our gawwwns" :facepalm: Today, the strongest democracies in the world have some of the stringiest regulations on firearms available - see Japan, Canada, and most of Western Europe. We make sure that every other civil liberty (as if killing another is a right, jeez) is assured from our governments, and we're doing just fine. And it's those same Republicans who passed the Patriot Act, loves to impose Christian values, makes sure that the top 1% of wage earners in the United States hold over 30% of the total wealth, and hates minorities and gays. And has created the "military industrial complex" that if it was imposed on the American people, the rednecks would have no chance. Oh the irony... Well that's just stupid. The big difference between Hitler and Stalin was that neither of those countries had a democracy or a system of checks and balances. So there would be no way the government could get away with the atrocities they did (well at least to their own citizens). With a system of checks and balances that couldn't happen. That's also stupid with the regulations. It is common sense that if someone buys a gun a background check should be run as well as mental history (sorry to say). When it comes to a weapon you cannot sell it to someone who is unstable or has a criminal record. I hate to say it but the more that I read about republicans the more I hate them. From their social beliefs of being against gay marriage (which I just don't understand why someone would be against that from a common sense point of view and being accepting of people who people to marry whomever they love), to "pro life", to helping out the rich the less I like them. The only thing I agree with them is their beliefs (though through bush they went against it) of limiting spending and also promoting the citizens to want to do well rather than ask for a handout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck kottke Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 I vote for Jon Stewart, the sane one. Bill O'Reilly is a frothing at the mouth angry madman, simple as that. Just a shock jockey, hoping to provide his audience with ammo to use to prop and pump up their angry minds, get them to watch so they can sell more antacid tablets. Plus, Stewart is really middle of the road neutral when it comes to politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_gloaming09 Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 ^I agree. I mean Bill totally just blows the whole situation with getting angry. Even at one point you see Stewart jump back when he gets angry at one bit. I don't watch Stewart enough to see his political views overall (though I know he has more liberal tendencies), but I'd agree with him on this case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deaths_friend Posted May 19, 2011 Author Share Posted May 19, 2011 the moment Stewert says BOO YAH! it was all over. after that it was just abusive. it amazes me that Fox viewers can watch that and then continue to have respect for O'Reilly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_gloaming09 Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 the moment Stewert says BOO YAH! it was all over. after that it was just abusive. it amazes me that Fox viewers can watch that and then continue to have respect for O'Reilly. :lol: i know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Osaka Sun Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 in all fairness to Fox. you will be far fetched to find any media organisation that is completely unbiased. in order to pull in an audience you need to appeal to a certain segment of society and you do that by skewing your coverage towards a certain side. down here the publicly funded media outlets are fairly influential and prominent and despite the fact they are by law supposed to be unbiased they have a very obvious soft spot for left wing politics, cos it is the sexier side of politics. :lol: Yeah, it's just Fox News is a little bit, let's say, "special." http://www.alternet.org/story/149193/study_confirms_that_fox_news_makes_you_stupid/ [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZkDikRLQrw]YouTube - THE CORPORATION [17/23] Unsettling Accounts[/ame] If someone asks me to choose an international disgrace in journalism, Fox would aways be at the top of my list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_gloaming09 Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 hmmm... very interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chuck kottke Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 The Fox is really a huge squid of many tentacles!:borg: Beware of it's radula, as once the tentacles have you in their grip, you make a tasty meal for the heads of commerce and commercial broadcasting! Mmmmm! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reilly Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 I really wish Stewart had known about this: Eight years later, Carter sent a copy of his autobiography, The Sixteenth Round: From Number 1 Contender to #45472, to Dylan. Within thirty days Dylan came to visit Carter in prison. http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/dylans-hurricane-a-look-back-20000121 If you can't really remember the youtube videos in this thread, at one point Stewart specifically points out the song Hurricane by Dylan, and how according to O'Reilly, Dylan should not have been allowed to go to the White House because he supported a proven cop killer (At the time). O'Reilly averted to the fact that what Common did was intolerable because unlike writing a song, he actually VIIIIIISITED Chesimard in jail. Now for anyone with any common sense you can see, as Stewart puts it, he's putting himself in a smaller and smaller box, and alluding his argument to try and squirm this out as still being relevant news, instead of blatant racism, but to Republicans their natural pre-disposed bias this is still an argument as while it's clearly pathetic, it's still some form of an argument. But dang, if Stewart had known, not only would Bill be in a small box but it would've been stamped on, and if that made something in one twisted right brainers brain go "Hmmm...?" then that would be something. it amazes me that Fox viewers can watch that and then continue to have respect for O'Reilly. I know, never fails to amaze me. After browsing through some O'Reilly vids tonight this, this part stood out: Even though he's clearly getting trolled satirically by a character- not a real person (And I'm going to give him the credit of at least assuming he knows it) Bill still manages to get visibly upset and angry, never seen Colbert so close to breaking character and laughing. "People may criticise what you say Bill but they never give you credit for how LOUD you say it" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_gloaming09 Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 ^actually in that video I always felt that Bill wasn't actually getting angry, but trying to blow his personality out of proportion... though clearly he did a bad job of it and just looks like a easily agitated man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reilly Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 I'd believe that if Bill had done it more obviously, he didn't go OTT angry (I've seen him lose it far worse and for far longer before) but his style of comedy is overwhelmingly obvious and cheesy, this was too subtle for me. Mix cheesy humour with illogically alluding away from their inane opinions, Bill's oddly reminding me of someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_gloaming09 Posted May 19, 2011 Share Posted May 19, 2011 ahaha I wonder who it could be :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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