What???.......

 

Where do you get your news from then....I get mine from more than one source.....and not just from Fox News.

 

Look at all the articles I posted links to! And there's even more than this actually.

 

The Associated press reported this, The AFP reported this, the Hindustan Times reported this, the Bahrain News Agency reported this, The Deutsche Presse-Agentur reported this, The Asia Times reported this, voltairenet reported this. In fact every foreign media outlet reported this, yet the US media reports that the exact opposite happened.

 

 

What do you need? A statement from Olmert saying "yes, we went into Lebanon before this started and our soldiers were captured there"....?? Coz I tell you, that just aint going to happen.

 

 

your news source isnt even real, its a far left propaganda site, iwhout any facts to back up the shit they talk.

I just hope that the libanese will be in peace soon, because even if there is the Hezbollah, the most part of the people there wants peace, and because there are good link between France and Lebanon, so they are as our "cousins".

 

And Israël has killed too many people innocent!

your news source isnt even real' date=' its a far left propaganda site, iwhout any facts to back up the shit they talk.[/quote']

 

Not real....of course not. So...ABC News, Associated Press, Asia Times, The Deutsche Presse-Agentur.....??

Ok.

because israel is not dumb' date=' a ceasefire would only help hezbollah rebuild so they can attack again. now who in their right mind would let that happen?[/quote']

You're so wrong, unbelieveably wrong.

 

A ceasefire wouldn't only help Hezbollah rebuild.

 

It would also allow the civilians, the innocent folk, who's house have been destroyed, who's families have been killed, it would help them rebuild too. And that's far more important.

Reuters admits altering Beirut photo

 

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3286966,00.html

Reuters.

 

Yep. What about all those here who say that "would rather trust Reuters on this topic"???

 

I said it before, Reuters is full of sheer spin and this one is so obvious it's laughable.....

Reuters.

 

Yep. What about all those here who say that "would rather trust Reuters on this topic"???

 

I said it before, Reuters is full of sheer spin and this one is so obvious it's laughable.....

What the hell are you talking about? that was a link to an article that said that Reuters had suspended a dodgy photographer. The photographer they suspended was the one full of shit, not Reuters as a whole.

It only serves to improve the integrity of Reuters as a news agency.

What the hell are you talking about? that was a link to an article that said that Reuters had suspended a dodgy photographer. The photographer they suspended was the one full of shit, not Reuters as a whole.

It only serves to improve the integrity of Reuters as a news agency.

 

 

Sorry...you're right.

 

I'm wrong.

 

I'd read this story on Teletext (lol) as it was announced and it had failed to mention that detail in the draft of the story.

You're so wrong, unbelieveably wrong.

 

A ceasefire wouldn't only help Hezbollah rebuild.

 

It would also allow the civilians, the innocent folk, who's house have been destroyed, who's families have been killed, it would help them rebuild too. And that's far more important.

 

 

you dont understand, while the civilians are rebuilding the military of hezbollah will rebuild supply lines and re-arm. they are only there to attack israel, so they are not going to just give up when they can rebuild and attack again.

Israeli pilots 'deliberately miss' targets

 

Fliers admit aborting raids on civilian targets as concern grows over the reliability of intelligence

 

Inigo Gilmore at Hatzor Air Base, Israel

Sunday August 6, 2006

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0,,1838437,00.html

 

At least two Israeli fighter pilots have deliberately missed civilian targets in Lebanon as disquiet grows in the military about flawed intelligence, The Observer has learnt. Sources say the pilots were worried that targets had been wrongly identified as Hizbollah facilities.

Voices expressing concern over the armed forces' failures are getting louder. One Israeli cabinet minister said last week: 'We gave the army so much money. Why are we getting these results?' Last week saw Hizbollah's guerrilla force, dismissed by senior Israeli military officials as 'ragtag', inflict further casualties on one of the world's most powerful armies in southern Lebanon. At least 12 elite troops, the equivalent of Britain's SAS, have already been killed, and by yesterday afternoon Israel's military death toll had climbed to 45.

 

As the bodies pile up, so the Israeli media has begun to turn, accusing the military of lacking the proper equipment, training and intelligence to fight a guerrilla war in Lebanon. Israel's Defence Minister, Amir Peretz, on a tour of the front lines, was confronted by troubled reserve soldiers who told him they lacked proper equipment and training.

 

Israel's chief of staff, Major-General Dan Halutz, had vowed to wipe out Hizbollah's missile threat within 10 days. These claims are now being mocked as rockets rain down on Israel's north with ever greater intensity, despite an intense and highly destructive air bombardment.

 

As one well-connected Israeli expert put it: 'If we have such good information in Lebanon, how come we still don't know the hideout of missiles and launchers?... If we don't know the location of their weapons, why should we know which house is a Hizbollah house?'

 

As international outrage over civilian deaths grows, the spotlight is increasingly turning on Israeli air operations. The Observer has learnt that one senior commander who has been involved in the air attacks in Lebanon has already raised concerns that some of the air force's actions might be considered 'war crimes'.

 

Yonatan Shapiro, a former Blackhawk helicopter pilot dismissed from reserve duty after signing a 'refusenik' letter in 2004, said he had spoken with Israeli F-16 pilots in recent days and learnt that some had aborted missions because of concerns about the reliability of intelligence information. According to Shapiro, some pilots justified aborting missions out of 'common sense' and in the context of the Israeli Defence Force's moral code of conduct, which says every effort should be made to avoiding harming civilians.

 

Shapiro said: 'Some pilots told me they have shot at the side of targets because they're afraid people will be there, and they don't trust any more those who give them the coordinates and targets.'

 

He added: 'One pilot told me he was asked to hit a house on a hill, which was supposed to be a place from where Hizbollah was launching Katyusha missiles. But he was afraid civilians were in the house, so he shot next to the house ...

 

'Pilots are always being told they will be judged on results, but if the results are hundreds of dead civilians while Hizbollah is still able to fire all these rockets, then something is very wrong.'

 

So far none of the pilots has publicly refused to fly missions but some are wobbling, according to Shapiro. He said: 'Their target could be a house firing a cannon at Israel and it could be a house full of children, so it's a real dilemma; it's not black and white. But ... I'm calling on them to refuse, in order save our country from self-destruction.'

 

Meron Rappoport, a former editor at the Israeli daily Haaretz and military analyst, criticised the air force's methods for selecting targets: 'The impression is that information is sometimes lacking. One squadron leader admitted the evidence used to determine attacks on cars is sometimes circumstantial - meaning that if people are in an area after Israeli forces warned them to leave, the assumption is that those left behind must be linked to Hizbollah ... This is problematic, as aid agencies have said many people did not leave ... because they could not, or it was unsafe to travel on the roads thanks to Israel's aerial bombardment.'

 

These revelations raise further serious questions about the airstrike in Qana last Sunday that left dozens dead, which continues to arouse international outrage. From the outset, the Israeli military's version of events has been shrouded in ambiguity, with the army releasing a video it claims shows Katyusha rockets being fired from Qana, even though the video was dated two days earlier, and claiming that more than 150 rockets had been fired from the location.

 

Some IDF officials have continued to refer vaguely to Katyushas being launched 'near houses' in the village and to non-specific 'terrorist activity' inside the targeted building. In a statement on Thursday, the IDF said it the air force did not know there were civilians in what they believed was an empty building, yet paradoxically blamed Hizbollah for using those killed as 'human shields'.

 

Human rights groups have attacked the findings as illogical. Amnesty International described the investigation as a 'whitewash', saying Israeli intelligence must have been aware of the civilians'.

 

One Israeli commander from a different squadron called the Qana bombing a 'mistake' and was unable to explain the apparent contradiction in the IDF's position, although he insisted there would have been no deliberate targeting of civilians. He said he had seen the video of the attack, and admitted: 'Generally they [Hizbollah] are using human shields ... That specific building - I don't know the reason it was chosen as a target.'

israel has said if hezbollah gives back its soldiers it would stop. so i guess they dont want peace.

Ahh, it's that simple.

indeed.

if only human being wasn't so cruel, so violent... We're our own enemy...we're all violent but there, I wonder why do they fight... Ive never really understand it... Maybe I'm fool or I'll say I'm not aware about what's going on... Isn't it a fool war as the others were???

Yes.

every war is foolish, but thats apart of life. its apart of humanity. it sucks

What i want to know is why havent people noticed that this an Israel-Hisbollah conflict being fought in Lebabon and that the Lebabnese army seems to be doing nothing.

 

Bit odd isnt it? their country is being attacked and theyre not doing much. One can only come to the following conclusions

a) they are all pansys.

b) they've been destroyed ( which i'm sure we wouldve heard about)

c) The government dont want Hisbollah to survive.

d) other-

What i want to know is why havent people noticed that this an Israel-Hisbollah conflict being fought in Lebabon and that the Lebabnese army seems to be doing nothing.

 

Bit odd isnt it? their country is being attacked and theyre not doing much. One can only come to the following conclusions

a) they are all pansys.

b) they've been destroyed ( which i'm sure we wouldve heard about)

c) The government dont want Hisbollah to survive.

d) other-

I understand that before tis conflict Hezbollah had the support of between 20% and 30% of the Lebanese people. Ordering the army to attack them would be akin to starting a civil war.

 

Hezbollah aren't the enemy of the Lebanese people. In many cases they provide healthcare and education where the Lebanese government is unable to.

 

But I understand from BBC Radio4 this morning that the Lebanese government have passed a law now forbidding armed millitias in Lebanon, so the only people allowed to bear arms are the Lebanese army. In the longer term this could mean the end of the millitant wing of Hezbollah.

 

But in the short term its an ironic slap in the face for America and their consitution that says everyone has the right to bear arms as part of a millitia.

 

Aw man, I think I just misunderstood your message.

 

I guess the Lebanese army aren't really up to much.

BREAKING NEWS!!!!

 

Hizbollah have just announced suprise suprise that they target Israeli civilians!

should we criticise hizbollah or continue to put israel on trial?

BREAKING NEWS!!!!

 

Hizbollah have just announced suprise suprise that they target Israeli civilians!

should we criticise hizbollah or continue to put israel on trial?

We ought to continue to put Israel on trial AND Hezbollah. Neatly bearing in mind that Israel have killed ten times as many civilians than Hezbollah during the past four weeks.

BREAKING NEWS!!!!

 

Hizbollah have just announced suprise suprise that they target Israeli civilians!

should we criticise hizbollah or continue to put israel on trial?

 

this post is too much biassed imo... just try to be more objective...israeli attacks should be criticised along with hizbollah's attacks..

thats the thing... i know im biased. but no one ever critises hizbollah do they?!

i'm just trying to raise awareness that there are two sides of the conflict in the middle east.

 

and wtf is 'imo'?

"in my opinion" :-)

 

i don't read this thread regularly but what i have seen so far is the discussion is continuing two-sided...there are people/opinions from each side...

yeah... thats always the case in the middle east.

its just unfair when the opposite side refuses to see that the two sides together influenece what happen over there, not just one of them...

anyway i'm goin to bed now. its late.

ok..good night :-)