hey as long as i get my little funky shaped cup of ice with a little splash of diet coke OR sprite.......................im good:D

Oh hello there Nick!!!

 

:uhoh:

 

 

hey douche bag

i love mentos' date=' they're fun to play with when you have diet coke[/quote']

 

 

 

hahaha, that's true :P so funny if it works :P

im not dismissing what you are trying to say' date=' im just saying, its not just the governments here, there are REAL terrorists REALLY trying to harm people[/quote']

They may be really trying to harm people, but they aren't a very big threat in the world at large.

 

They are a minor nuisance comapred to alcohol and drug related crime, drink driving, Aids, cancer, global warming, lightning strikes, diabetes, obesity, over-enthusiastic countries going to war, civil war etc.

They may be really trying to harm people, but they aren't a very big threat in the world at large.

 

They are a minor nuisance comapred to alcohol and drug related crime, drink driving, Aids, cancer, global warming, lightning strikes, diabetes, obesity, over-enthusiastic countries going to war, civil war etc.

 

Global Warming is a joke. If we didn't have the greenhouse effect we will be a nice cold -30 degrees C, the earth is warning up now because it's going though it's cycles, if you look back in history the earth have warmed up and cooled down time and time again.

^ Yep, agree.

 

We have Climate Change......not global warming.

 

It's all about Taxing our resources.

Another article about the airports confiscated liquids going in trash....

 

Where will all that liquid contraband go?

Employees won’t take goods seized under new rules home, officials promise

The Anglo-American empire’s “next 9-11” will set up final war; “foiled” UK terror plot a propaganda dry run

 

Larry Chin | August 12 2006

 

The August 10 report of a spectacular foiled UK-based super-terror plot, an alleged Operation Bojinka variation, has sparked an unprecedented round of 9/11-style fear and panic mongering throughout the world. This is a new attempt, at the highest levels of the Bush and Blair administrations, in concert with Pakistan’s ISI and Israel, to fabricate the justification for an escalation in the “war on terrorism” across the Middle East.

 

This escalation will include an attack on Iran and Syria as early as October, and with even greater geostrategic violence to follow.

 

Proof that Bush administration planning the next 9/11

 

Dick Cheney recently declared: “The enemy that struck on 9/11 is fractured and weakened, yet still lethal, still determined to hit us again.” That is a concise description of Cheney’s own administration, and its intentions. And he knows it.

 

It is a known fact that the Bush administration, itching for a wider war, has been planning to set up a “second 9/11” to establish the pretext to justify a multi-front war stretching from Africa across Middle East, and across the Eurasian continent that the Anglo-American empire seeks to control:

 

The Pentagon's "Second 9/11"

 

It is now known that Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld (among others) have been overtly planning “another attack [blamed on 'terrorists' and/or Iran] that could create both a justification and an opportunity that is lacking today to retaliate against some known targets.” The Bush administration has already prepared the operation, as well as the criminal lies and propaganda to go with it.

 

There is a good reason why Bush and Blair have spent so much time together lately.

 

Recent rhetoric from the Bush administration’s criminal leadership (Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld) has clearly attempted to tie Hezbollah, Hamas, Iraqi resistance, Afghan fighters, and other “Islamic fascists” with “Al-Qaeda.” The mass public has willingly accepted this and other ongoing “war on terrorism” deceptions.

 

These detailed plans by the Bush administration, in place for over the past year, with instructions given to its military-intelligence agencies, await the official go-ahead. Undoubtedly, the “next 9/11” will be blamed on “Islamic fascists,” and either directly carried out by manipulated intelligence assets, or deliberately provoked by atrocities now being committed in the Middle East and Iraq. But, just as it was on 9/11, the fascists at the highest levels in Washington, London and Islamabad (and Tel Aviv) will be the ones responsible for whatever happens next.

 

Manufactured blowback is not blowback. Guided covert operations are manufactured terrorism, not “terrorism.”

 

The next 9/11 may already be happening

 

Recent events suggest that the broader operation likely began with the horrific Mumbai transit bomb attacks, a blatantly manufactured event carried out by terror cells directly connected to Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence, the ISI (a virtual branch of the American CIA), and the same (alleged “Al-Qaeda”) apparatus also responsible for the Bush administration’s 9/11 and other post-9/11 terror events.

 

This was followed by Israel’s attack on Gaza, and its invasion of Lebanon, with both events preceded by a bogus “anti-terrorism” pretext. The London construct follows the same pattern as the London 7/7, which was a false flag operation.

 

Ties to London 7/7 lead back to Bush, Blair, ISI

 

Current reports about the new foiled London plot pin the responsibility on “homegrown” terrorists with ties to Pakistan and "Al-Qaeda", and the London 7/7 attacks. The London 7/7 attack itself was the work of British intelligence, as well as Pakistan's ISI.

 

This is the same apparatus, the same “terror” propaganda. The international feeding frenzy of security “experts” and current and former spooks falling over themselves to proclaim the threat to be real, quick to lick at Bush-Cheney’s jackboots, is no surprise.

 

Meanwhile, officials in London have, predictably, provided little or no concrete evidence to support their allegations, or the conspiracy theories and speculations spinning out of control across the media. This is consistent with every “terror” event since 9/11: deception and cover-up, no evidence.

 

Meanwhile, underneath the layers of noise created by the mighty Wurlitzer, bits such as this line from the Washington Post beg for attention: “Intelligence officials and private analysts expressed suspicion that the plot was an al Qaeda operation, but said there was no confirmation.”

 

Fear, intimidation, stupidity

 

The UK terror story is, at the very least, a test of the effectiveness of the “terrorism” propaganda apparatus that has been the bread and butter of Bush/Blair/Israel.

 

Based on Pavlovian reactions to the new stories, and the panic, and mass ignorance displayed by the masses, the fear of “terrorists” and bone-deep racism inspired by Bush’s manufactured 9/11 false flag operation remain tragically potent. Mass public ignorance still abounds, evidenced by the international paralysis of the past 48 hours. The “terrorists 24-7” narrative has been accepted without a hint of skepticism, without any questions, without the pursuit of any facts, by the vast majority -- still powerful enough, in spite of the unpopularity of Bush and the Iraq “mistake,” to fuel the criminal “war on terrorism” well into the future.

 

Until and unless realities are understood and directly faced, the world remains in the sleeperhold of the propaganda apparatus of Bush-Blair-Olmert. As long as this dynamic persists, these legions of “good Germans,” obediently swallowing their propaganda poisons, will jump through the hoops, even as more government-approved mass murder takes place, including their own.

 

Adjusting the script, covering their political rear ends

 

It is clear that, for reasons of political expediency, that the “war on terrorism” narrative has been changed to focus on “foiled” terror plots, and (“even tougher to apprehend”) “homegrown terrorists,” in order to 1) create the perception of competence and successful anti-terrorism to counter criticism from political opponents (themselves equally fervent, equally criminal “war on terrorism” proponents) who have criticized the Bush administration’s “failures,” while 2) infusing the “Al-Qaeda” propaganda structure with fresh and lurid new twists.

 

These new fictions include slippery "home grown terrorists", alleged to still be guided by “Al-Qaeda,” “specialists” capable of carrying out “spectaculars,” and endless speculations about creative new delivery methods.

 

The tipping point is now

 

Five years have gone by since the manufactured crisis of 9/11. Now, the Anglo-American empire needs a “new 9/11” or a perceived threat capable of deceiving the mass public into supporting the next planned geostrategic horror.

 

Check the calendar, and think like a Bush administration criminal. The five-year anniversary of 9/11 is only a few weeks away. The Bush administration wants to attack Iran and Syria by October. Israel is going into Lebanon, but cannot expand beyond southern Lebanon, cannot attack Syria and Iran without Anglo-American help. A US election (or “selection”) in November, likely to hand some degree of political power back to neoliberals (Democrats), gives the Bush-Cheney neocons a three-month window to attempt their super-violent end run. Peak Oil and Gas, increasing shortage, is making itself felt in earnest with the disruptions of US oil supplies from Prudhoe Bay, crisis reports from remaining oil fields (Saudi Arabia), defiance from Venezuela, etc. Desperation fuels the likelihood of increasing brute force and violence, led by the Bush administration.

 

This is a moment of elite criminal consensus, and unprecedented danger.

 

This is a perfect storm.

 

Prepare yourselves.

Global Warming is a joke. If we didn't have the greenhouse effect we will be a nice cold -30 degrees C' date=' the earth is warning up now because it's going though it's cycles, if you look back in history the earth have warmed up and cooled down time and time again.[/quote']

But imagine if you will that the US, instead of investing in the 2nd Gulf War and the conflict in Afghanistan, actually invested in building proper flood defences in New Orleans that would have prevented last year's excitement. It would have saved more lives.

^ ^ here, here!

 

I'm always saying this.....it's sick.

But's it's what is needed for world domination.....spend, spend, spend.....trillions on weapons, ships, aircraft, fake terror, paying off people.....you know, all the stuff that REALLY matters :(

But imagine if you will that the US' date=' instead of investing in the 2nd Gulf War and the conflict in Afghanistan, actually invested in building proper flood defences in New Orleans that would have prevented last year's excitement. It would have saved more lives.[/quote']

 

Bush investing in protection for New Orleans...

 

...that's like saying Bush didn't cheat in 2000:laugh3:

 

Maybe if the americans have built proper flood protection to protect a city which is below sea-level, than maybe it wouldn't have flooded, but who knows, maybe even the world's best flood defences couldn't stop the japansive powered hurricane from destroying lifes.

And I would laugh if there was a chemical reaction in those bins blowing it up, and getting everybody soaking in a mix of liquids.

 

Chemical Reactions between normal liquids have been proven to happen in the past, even by mistake you get a house blown up because they mixed chemicals together.

i would rather we were safe than sorry in this case, i don't think this is something the government has made up to make us scared. the media make such a big deal out of it cos they want juicy news, hence why it is what dominates the news here now along with the crisis in lebanon/israel. i don't think that there is any conspiracy at work here.

i would rather we were safe than sorry in this case' date=' i don't think this is something the government has made up to make us scared. the media make such a big deal out of it cos they want juicy news, hence why it is what dominates the news here now along with the crisis in lebanon/israel. i don't think that there is any conspiracy at work here.[/quote']

 

Hmmmm well I actually think the news has cooled off this "plot" considerably considering they were saying it was the biggest terror plot ever discovered.

 

I 100% believe this to be a scam, even more so than when it happened.

 

Big 'Terror' is coming soon.

 

That's why I'm emailing 100's of people about it.

Hmmmm well I actually think the news has cooled off this "plot" considerably considering they were saying it was the biggest terror plot ever discovered.

 

I 100% believe this to be a scam, even more so than when it happened.

 

Big 'Terror' is coming soon.

 

That's why I'm emailing 100's of people about it.

 

 

explain more? what do you think is about to happen? another major attack?

Yes, a big one.

 

Something big is looking likely to happen within the next couple of months.

More info is needed to work out possible scenario's but a thermo-nuclear device or multiple simultaneous truck bombs might be possible. In the UK, US or Israel....or any combo of all three.

 

Ever since this 'terror plot' I have thought it was coming but I've heard this waring in many places.

It's like pre 9/11 all over again. The "foiled terror plots", the governments language and behaviour, the way the news is being delivered on TV....it's all getting serious.

 

We must phone the Whitehouse and let them know that we know.

 

That's the only way to do any good and maybe put this 'attack' off.

Yes, a big one.

 

Something big is looking likely to happen within the next couple of months.

More info is needed to work out possible scenario's but a thermo-nuclear device or multiple simultaneous truck bombs might be possible. In the UK, US or Israel....or any combo of all three.

 

Ever since this 'terror plot' I have thought it was coming but I've heard this waring in many places.

It's like pre 9/11 all over again. The "foiled terror plots", the governments language and behaviour, the way the news is being delivered on TV....it's all getting serious.

 

We must phone the Whitehouse and let them know that we know.

 

That's the only way to do any good and maybe put this 'attack' off.

 

i think so too, only the whitehouse isnt doing it, its gonna be terrorist

Myabe their intention isn't to kill hundreds of people

Maybe they want to disrupt the lives of millions of people

 

It would make them far more effective in what they do

They want an excuse to go in and attack Iran.

i think so too' date=' only the whitehouse isn't doing it, its gonna be terrorist[/quote']

 

Hmmm, well, that's where we disagree I guess.

 

Just watch what happens after this next "attack".

 

Whatever happens, I think we need to keep an eye out from now on.

They want an excuse to go in and attack Iran.

 

we dont need one....we have enough, iran being the biggest sponser of terrorism and trying to get nukes. we have enough reasons already

Hmmm, well, that's where we disagree I guess.

 

Just watch what happens after this next "attack".

 

Whatever happens, I think we need to keep an eye out from now on.

 

Yeah we do, because i agree with you that something big is going to happen soon. i just hope its no nuclear, i live by a big popular city that could be a target.

I live in the middle of a triangle of major army bases.

Moved here at the request of Dave S.....

 

Lot's of good points in this article...

 

 

Liquid Bomb Pakistan Link Is False Flag Smoking Gun

Veracity of liquid explosives method also put under dubious doubt

 

Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | August 13 2006

 

Revelations concerning the origins and connections of the alleged liquid bomb terror plot to Pakistan and the 7/7 bombings in London provide a strong indication that the operation, known for months yet deliberately timed for public release, was a synthetic ruse concocted by the Bush/Blair cabal to re-package the flagging war on terror.

 

Media reports in the days following the alert cite Pakistan's ISI as having identified Rashid Rauf as, "the link between the plot's planners and British-based Muslims who were allegedly preparing to carry out attacks on transatlantic flights."

 

According to former NSA official Wayne Madsen, the Lashkar-e-Toiba terror group, to which Rashid Rauf is affiliated, is wholly operated and funded by the Pakistani ISI.

 

The Pakistani ISI is a CIA front and controls terror cells at the discretion of the highest levels of the US military-industrial complex. This means that the potential mastermind of the liquid bomb plot, Rashid Rauf (pictured), was operating under the oversight and direction of Pakistani and by proxy American intelligence agencies.

 

 

To understand why the Pakistan link strongly indicates that Thursday morning's terror alert was a manufactured ruse, it is necessary to understand the the nexus that connects Pakistani intelligence, the CIA and terrorist organizations.

 

In October 2001, under the headline 'Pakistani Intelligence Had Links to Al Qaeda, U.S. Officials Say,' the New York Times reported, "The intelligence service of Pakistan, a crucial American ally in the war on terrorism, has had an indirect but longstanding relationship with Al Qaeda, turning a blind eye for years to the growing ties between Osama bin Laden and the Taliban, according to American officials."

 

The ISI has received CIA funds to create and control militant organizations, including the Taliban and Osama bin Laden in Afghanistan.

 

Funds transferred from Pakistan bankrolled the alleged 9/11 hijackers before the attack. Ahmad Umar Sheikh wired $100,000 from Karachi to alleged lead hijacker Mohammed Atta at the behest of ISI chief Mahmoud Ahmad. If this isn't a direct link from the ISI to Al-Qaeda then nothing is.

 

Porter Goss, later appointed as director of the CIA, was having breakfast with the money man behind the terrorists as the planes crashed on the morning of 9/11. Ahmad had also met with top defense and intelligence officials in Washington in the days before the attack, including then CIA director George Tenet, Pentagon officials, and White House personnel.

 

The fact that the Pakistani financier of the alleged hijackers was meeting with the top brass of the US government in the week before the attack was never investigated by the 9/11 Commission.

 

In addition, alleged 9/11 mastermind Khalid Shaikh Mohammed was repeatedly protected by the ISI, according to Josef Bodansky, the director of the Congressional Task Force on Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare.

 

Defense Intelligence Agency documents dated from 2001 clearly indicate that the CIA is aware that Pakistan's ISI supports and bankrolls Al-Qaeda groups but they have deliberately chosen to ignore the connection.

 

This rich history of ISI creation and protection of terrorist cells, allied with the fact that the ISI is a known CIA front, and added to the revelation that the mastermind of the liquid bomb plot Rashid Rauf is under ISI control, it is therefore obvious to conclude that the entire charade was cooked and orchestrated by elements of the Bush/Blair cabal and sold as promotional propaganda for the increased surveillance and behavioral control of UK and US citizens.

 

 

At the very least, the terror cell had been fully infiltrated for months - this has already been admitted - and the snap "foiling" of the attack was coordinated and stage-managed for purposes of political grandstanding on the part of Bush, Blair and the Neo-Fascist apparatus that seeks to use the ailing justification of the war on terror for a future military incursion into Iran.

 

Another dimension to the indication that we are being fed another hoax, are reports detailing the alleged plot's links to the 7/7 London bombings.

 

As this website has exhaustively documented for over a year, the 7/7 bombings and the patsies that were used to take the fall for them, were controlled and engineered by the British intelligence apparatus.

 

The alleged ringleader of the attack which targeted three tube trains and one bus, Mohammed Siddique Khan, was an MI5 informant, according to former London Metropolitan Police detective and terror expert Charles Shoebridge. Therefore, in the case of the liquid bomb plot suspects, any link to the London bombers is a link to MI5.

 

It is clear that the scope of the attack has been greatly exaggerated by the British government to maximize fear and subservience engendered by images of alarmed and frightened airliner passengers.

 

Doomsday proclamations of ten planes exploding into balls of flames in mid-air do not correlate with the capacity of the liquid explosives the alleged terrorists were to use.

 

The only other example where terrorists used liquid explosives was the December 1994 Philippines Airline Boeing 747 incident, a dry run for a bigger plot conducted by Ramzi Youssef.

 

In this case, Youssef planted the explosives explosives under one of the seats in the airliner and timed them to detonate after he disembarked for a connecting flight. The subsequent explosion killed only the Japanese businessman who was sitting directly above the bomb. Besides five people with minor injuries, the other 200-plus passengers were unharmed and the plane landed safely.

 

Only liquid explosives in large and noticeable amounts can have any literal chance of "blowing up" a plane in mid-air. Confiscating pregnant white women's lip gloss is completely insane and proves in itself that the new airport measures are purely designed to act as a PR coup for the police state.

 

In addition, photographs of passengers being ordered to pour liquids into one single container completely belies the claim that the alleged terrorists planned to mix the liquids to create the deadly explosives. If mixing liquids was a key component of the bomb making process then why are airport security ordering people to mix liquids?

 

 

World Affairs Brief editor Joel Skousen highlights prescient questions about the inconsistencies of the properties of the alleged liquid explosives in relation to the much vaunted scale of the foiled attack.

 

"The supposed explosive device this time was a Peroxide-based explosive, which is mildly explosive and can be prepared from acetone, hydrogen Peroxide, and an acid catalyst. This type is claimed by governments to be "widely in use by terrorist groups," though we have no known terrorist events where it has been used, except by one Palestinian terrorist, and then as a detonator only-not as the main charge. This explosive material is usually known by its abbreviation TATP (Tri Acetone Tri Peroxide)," writes Skousen.

 

"Both Peroxide and Acetone are clear liquids, but acetone (laquer thinner) is easily identifiable by smell and its high rate of evaporation. Experts indicate it is very unstable and highly unlikely to be a stand-alone explosive to take down an airliner. The quantities would have to be large enough to be easily noticed. Thus, even though this is a theoretical threat, banning all cosmetics and lotions is stupid and banning all liquids is unnecessary. Only clear liquids need checking. There is cheap test equipment for TATP, and simple ways for TSA employees to quickly check for acetone and peroxide."

 

Returning to how the latest plot is a mirror image of Operation Bojinka - the Ramzi Youssef link is also telling because Youssef has been protected and coddled by the US government at every juncture.

 

In September of 1992 Youssef entered the US with Ahmad Ajaj. Ajaj's luggage contained documents on how to make bombs and was stuffed with fake passports and ID's. Ajaj was arrested - amazingly Youssef was released.

 

Youssef later masterminded the WTC '93 bombing with the gracious help of FBI agents. Having penetrated the group before the bombing, the FBI's mole, Emad Salem, was told to arm the terror cell with dummy explosives so a sting operation could ensnare the perpetrators. Salem was mystified when the orders changed, the sting was called off and the FBI allowed the bombing to go forward. This was all admitted in an October 1993 New York Times front page story.

 

Again, any Operation Bojinka or Ramzi Youssef link in the case of the liquid bomb plot is a link back to western intelligence agencies.

 

Within three days of its exposure, Tony Blair and MI5 are already milking the alleged plot for political purposes in re-introducing the argument for 90-day detention without charge legislation. Blair suffered his only defeat to date in the Commons last November when the bill was shot down by Labour rebels - a humiliating rejection of the so-called 'liberal' government's feverish bloodlust for authoritarian control.

 

Reports of criminal insider trading on airline stocks before the announcement of the alleged foiled plot, specifically British Airways stocks, have also started to filter in and will be the subject of a follow-up investigation.

I live in the middle of a triangle of major army bases.

 

Then you'll be safe...they will go after a place with lots of civilians not military. thats my guess.....