I think you're completely wrong. Of course we love our children (if we have them), and parents and anyone we form a connection with. It's not because god is making the connection to love that person. If that's you're reasoning then you can also say that God is the reason that people hate and murder eachother... doesn't sound so loving to me.

 

But there is scientific evidence that shows the links between apes and also humans, not just fossil but dna. I mean I read that we are more related dna wise to some sort of ape than a monkey is to that ape. Even just looking at the zoo you can see similarities in the way we look and act.

 

The idea that evolution has given us the thought that life is not worth living makes no sense whatsoever. How can the idea that we evolved over time be a factor? You mention suicide. First of all believing in evolution has nothing to do with the persons issues. It's for much different reasons. To be honest I could argue that religion would increase the amount of suicides. I mean you had the 9/11 hijackers that killed themselves believing they'd be rewarded in a heaven. If there is such a devine place as heaven and your life is so bad in some sense you could see why someone would kill themselves because they think they'll be in a better place (not saying it's right). I could argue that if you didn't believe in God you might enjoy life more because you'd fully understand how precious it is, and how at any given moment it could all end forever.

 

Also of course they'd take the bible out of the schools and they should. First of all religion is a private thing, and different people believe different things. Secondly the stories are ridiculous. I mean the idea that the world was created in 6 days (when we know it was billions of years over time), mankind came from adam and eve, there was a talking snake, a man could walk on water, a man could divide the sea. I mean come on... how could you think all of these things could be factually true? Maybe I should believe that humpty dumpty was a real live walking egg that just had the misfortune of falling down and breaking.

 

For me it just doesn't, from a logical standpoint, make a lot of sense.

 

Also another factor to bring up. Say that you are right, then how come the vatican and church is constantly changing their opinions on various issues that they once believed in. So essentially if they are speaking as God, then isn't God wrong? How can a divine power be wrong?

 

 

Lastly if God was a factor then why is there so much hate in the world? It seems if you are not a specific religion you'll be punished for it. If God was to come down to Earth, do you honestly think that he would care what religion you believed in, or what your sexuality was, or how often you went to church, or any of the numerous things they want you to do? I seriously doubt it. If that's the case then many millions of people are seriously screwed. I'd feel that God would rather the world live by the Golden Rule.

 

 

 

 

I think that religion and science can coexist. You can believe in what you want (which I do), but at the same time you can't discredit the overwhelming facts that are there from many years of research put into proving things to be right or wrong.

I don't understand the argument that the big bang and evolution and stuff disproves religion and the fact that many people who believe in God and stuff refuse to believe in that as well just based on the fact that they think it challenges their beliefs. I mean like, it could be like caused by God, y'know? The majority of the world it seems, seems to think you have to believe either one or the other.

 

It just bothers me how so many people think science and religion can't coexist.

 

I sound so derpy right now don't I. :|

 

I agree, I believe that everything was caused by God. . . so I believe in both science and God. :P

just take a minute to listen to Christopher Hitchens and how he logically explains things. It makes sense to me

 

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I guess it's a matter of faith. :uhoh:

 

And I do agree that religion and science can coexist.

 

And I also think that people shouldn't be shoving their own believes down other people's throat.

I'm religious but some of the things that go on are ridiculous

 

like religious wars they are crazy

I think you're completely wrong. Of course we love our children (if we have them), and parents and anyone we form a connection with. It's not because god is making the connection to love that person. If that's you're reasoning then you can also say that God is the reason that people hate and murder eachother... doesn't sound so loving to me.

 

But there is scientific evidence that shows the links between apes and also humans, not just fossil but dna. I mean I read that we are more related dna wise to some sort of ape than a monkey is to that ape. Even just looking at the zoo you can see similarities in the way we look and act.

 

The idea that evolution has given us the thought that life is not worth living makes no sense whatsoever. How can the idea that we evolved over time be a factor? You mention suicide. First of all believing in evolution has nothing to do with the persons issues. It's for much different reasons. To be honest I could argue that religion would increase the amount of suicides. I mean you had the 9/11 hijackers that killed themselves believing they'd be rewarded in a heaven. If there is such a devine place as heaven and your life is so bad in some sense you could see why someone would kill themselves because they think they'll be in a better place (not saying it's right). I could argue that if you didn't believe in God you might enjoy life more because you'd fully understand how precious it is, and how at any given moment it could all end forever.

 

Also of course they'd take the bible out of the schools and they should. First of all religion is a private thing, and different people believe different things. Secondly the stories are ridiculous. I mean the idea that the world was created in 6 days (when we know it was billions of years over time), mankind came from adam and eve, there was a talking snake, a man could walk on water, a man could divide the sea. I mean come on... how could you think all of these things could be factually true? Maybe I should believe that humpty dumpty was a real live walking egg that just had the misfortune of falling down and breaking.

 

For me it just doesn't, from a logical standpoint, make a lot of sense.

 

Also another factor to bring up. Say that you are right, then how come the vatican and church is constantly changing their opinions on various issues that they once believed in. So essentially if they are speaking as God, then isn't God wrong? How can a divine power be wrong?

 

 

Lastly if God was a factor then why is there so much hate in the world? It seems if you are not a specific religion you'll be punished for it. If God was to come down to Earth, do you honestly think that he would care what religion you believed in, or what your sexuality was, or how often you went to church, or any of the numerous things they want you to do? I seriously doubt it. If that's the case then many millions of people are seriously screwed. I'd feel that God would rather the world live by the Golden Rule.

 

 

 

 

I think that religion and science can coexist. You can believe in what you want (which I do), but at the same time you can't discredit the overwhelming facts that are there from many years of research put into proving things to be right or wrong.

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I like your ideas...

I wasn't going to talk on this subject but I will. It sounds like we are interested.

 

I'll tackle this one first you say

"The idea that evolution has given us the thought that life is not worth living makes no sense whatsoever. How can the idea that we evolved over time be a factor? You mention suicide. First of all believing in evolution has nothing to do with the persons issues."

 

What you believe will frame the way you think about life... For instance a factor in many believers lives is the scriptures referring to hope, like "The Joy of the Lord is your strength" when bad things happen to good people, God says to rejoice because our trials make us stronger..Based apon this real bible faith based Christians will decide to choose life over death..(the bible is clear about suicide, Hell is the only place you can go). We are tested daily but to christians (not muslims) we are encouraged by Christ to endure and overcome.

 

The increase in suicide rates is a clear indication of the teachings of Christ being taken out of schools and replaced in many schools by a sports class, science class or other. There is no faith in schools, there is science..I have nothing against science some of the greatest scientist were people of faith. (Isaac Newton, Nicholas Copernicus, Albert Einstein, Max Planck, William Thomson Kelvin) However because God is taken out of many science teachings, physicists, astrologists and university lecturers are not or are frowned apon if they express their faith or teach anything that is God related in todays generation.

 

How does it frame the mind? A child that doesn't have friends, is picked on at school, parents are splitting could easily after multiple set backs and depressive states choose that enough is enough 'there is no point to living', you put another child in their shoes who has a faith and understands that God loves them unconditionally despite their flaws, problems, cursing, drug abuse..you invest time into a childs life and you see the difference it makes..I came to believe in Christ at the age of 18, as a child my parents invested very little time into my life they had alot of money but I craved attention. I hung on to Christ and began leading other kids to see that God is a loving Father. This idea alone can change the thinking pattern of a childs life for ever.

 

In regards to apes and monkeys dna etc. I'd suggest studying a bit more..I'm not saying you have done this but many people just see a show on tv, or read a book from school and decide yup thats the truth..Investigate it further and you will change your views..I can't go into detail about this because there is way too much involved in the marvel behind the creation of the human mind..Just this alone is magnificent and in itself can blow the theory of "ape to human" out of the water. for instance we are linked dna wise to other animals as well..check it out..I mean why shouldn't we we are living breathing meat however the difference is I have a spirit. I know based on experience..unfortunately I can not give you evidence, you can experience it for yourself though.

 

In regards to your 6days and parting of the sea etc..Its understandable I was at the same place you are at a while ago. Many scientists that were athiests have come to believe in God as well. That is why you should not be closed minded..Don't discredit something without understanding it. Many people think they know the bible based on stories told at pre school or church even but you can't know anything if you have not read the life of Jesus Christ in books of Matthew, Mark, luke and John..So many base their decisions on this but wont take the time which is about 3 weeks to read one book "Matthew". Try and understand it, try your best despite what you've been drilled into believing..

 

In regards to the Vatican, I never listen to them, I am Born Again I follow Jesus Christ as if He walked the planet..I can't talk on their behalf I don't know anything about them..I don't catholicism only that it is heaped in hypocritical dialect and man made laws very little to do with the Bible.

 

Just as Love is a choice hate is a choice. God has given us free will, You can choose to kill someone one day 'hope you don't' but this is a possibility in some cases its 50/50 circumstances can cause you to be frustrated the whole day you have been grinded at work and you just can't take somebody cutting you off on the road or someone swears a you spits on you you hit them and they die..dramatic I know but these are choices we make. I decide at work that if a customer wants to swear about their product I know their upset because their not getting what they paid for..So I don't take it personal. If we truly, free will can be dangerous in the wrong hands, unfortunately this is how it is and thats why we have murderes and thieves etc. If you want to know the Biblical reasons behind freewill read Genesis. If you don't want to know I can't help you..You have to help yourself..I know but it takes understanding, God gives understanding.

 

In regards to what religion we are, I only live by what Jesus says to me, based on meetings with the him you'll be surprised by the belief that He is the only one that connects to the Father, not just that He said "I am the way the truth and the Life, no man comes to the Father except through me" These are His words and by experiencing His presence on a day to day basis I can confirm that this is the truth. You can only experience His presence for yourself..it requires you take time out of your busy schedule..

 

Anyways I hope that I have helped answer some of your questions..Stay skeptical my friend don't lose it but let it fuel you to investigate and search for the truth. The truth is out there and it can be living inside of you.

Well, I think they can coexist. :|

 

Me to, Science is very important to the world..We need it otherwise we wouldn't have cures for many diseases etc.etc..However evolution requires faith to believe in it. there is no factual evidence.

just take a minute to listen to Christopher Hitchens and how he logically explains things. It makes sense to me

 

 

 

I really enjoyed listening to this..The guy is intellectual..Men just like this have decided later on in life that in fact they were wrong...Why?He touches on in the second video that we are wretched? wretched God does not call us this, He calls us His Children, but with out Him we are bound to sin..secondly Jesus Christ died for our sins, details in Matthew (read if you have the intention of finding out.).

 

The idea the world has not heard the message well we are all given free will, God will judge those that have not heard the Gospel apon the heart, actions and deeds. For those that have heard the Gospel meaning yourself you have a mind and you have eyes, take the Bible and read Matthew at least (maybe less than 3 weeks 1 hour a day) not alot to ask if God is actually real give Him some of your time. Why cruel? well people are cruel, God is not. We choose to bend things to suite our thinking and own ideals, Hitler apparently believed in God but did He follow Jesus Christ I believe not..

 

Hitchens is not a scientist just someone speaking from an intellectual point of view who by his own admission took the information verbally from other scholars, this tells me that he did not investigate this for himself...I could have said what he said, anyone atheist with an intellectual mind could have said that. But we choose to believe what people say rather than studying and reading for ourselves.. carbon dating and apes..well...Mmmm carbon dating can't tell if something was born yesterday..research that go to a lab..check it out..How old is this video?

How long does it take you to compose these posts with your phone? xD

 

About an hour maybe two..Haha hey when you got your mind thinking its worth it..especially when you know the truth..Ha ha I don't mean to sound arrogant..anyways..Hey its fun to be hear. I have to watch my time on here though, I have to finish my record by June this year.

The increase in suicide rates is a clear indication of the teachings of Christ being taken out of schools and replaced in many schools by a sports class, science class or other.

 

LOL

 

You have no idea what are you talking about regarding depression and suicide. Please to be only talking about which you are knowledgeable about, now?

The increase in suicide rates is a clear indication of the teachings of Christ being taken out of schools and replaced in many schools by a sports class, science class or other.

Also, the increase in global temperatures is a clear indication of the decrease in the number of pirates throughout the centuries.

 

 

Hahahahahahahahha!

xD

However evolution requires faith to believe in it. there is no factual evidence.

Lolwhut? There is, there is, there are whole scientific magazines full of it. Eg. Trends in Ecology & Evolution

I'm sorry but they way that you talk about a lot of these things I can't take fully seriously.

 

I do think that religion can be good for some people and help them through difficult times. It has been and always will be a sense of comfort, though part of me feels it's false hope at times.

 

In terms of evolution I don't feel I need to. I have learned a lot about it in school, and also people that have wrote about and talked about evolution have studied it and devoted so much time towards it. Of course it's theoretically a theory, but all the evidence we have is so strong. I mean just go to a museum and look at the bones or fossils of older apes... They have a striking familiarity to humans... I wonder why :thinking: Even from a logical standpoint evolution just makes sense. I think it can be explained in a very simple way. We come from the genes and dna of our parents. Their genes/dna came from their parents and so on. As time progresses each increasing generation is evolving and changing based on what dna was combined. It's the same thing if you look at our anatomy. We all have tail bones, gall bladders, and tonsils that are of no use towards us now. Now if god created us, what would be the point of giving us such things as above? It makes more sense to me that overtime our species evolved and adapted to climate and we no longer needed those organs.

 

I'm also not being close minded with those parting of the seas and 6 days. It's just reasoning behind it. Moses was a human being, have you ever seen a single human be able to perform such a feat like that? It is simply impossible. It just sounds like a fairy tale to me. Also another thing is that the stories written in the Bible were written like 2-3 decades after Jesus lived. So I'm sure that overtime that the story changed drastically.

 

Now in terms of Sins this is a point that I think of. Jesus "saved" all of us from having sins and giving forgiveness. So then what happened to all those millions of people before he arrived? I guess I'd imagine they went to hell. It doesn't sound right to me that those people are punished because they were born at the wrong time.

 

 

Hitchens though makes an interesting point. Why would God wait so long to intervene and send Jesus? If humans were around so long, why would he wait and also why would he send his son into a remote part of the world where most people were illiterate? What he talks about the being dirt is a metaphor. He's talking how in religions they say we were created from dust, a clot of blood, and that essentially it's to mean that if we were created from that that we are that.

 

 

The one question that I have for you is how can you think you are so right, when there have been so many millions of Gods over the course of time? Were those people idiots and misguided? Also what about other religions? Are those people completely wrong? I just don't understand how you can make yourself be so sure that the bible is the truth, especially when from a logical thinking person the stories don't make sense.

 

I think this is the biggest problem is that people think they know what god wants just because of a book, yet there are so many different gods. If there is a god clearly someone is wrong. Which also leads me to believe that if God wanted to make everyone equal and love each other why would he have made so many different religions that eventually clash and have killed so many people in the long run?

 

There's just so many contradictions. For example on the stance of same sex couples. The church and religious people think it's completely morally wrong. But if God apparently created us, and since homosexuality is something that you're born with, why would he make people to act that way if his teachings go against it? It'd be like having a fitness trainer telling someone not to go to McDonalds because it's bad, but during their break they go and get a big mac.

 

Also I went to religious school on Sundays for 8 years, so it's not as if I don't know about this stuff.

 

 

Let me just ask you this one question. If in some really poor part of the world today, where there was no media coverage and someone said or wrote down that 20-30 years ago there was a human that could walk on water, part the seas, cure illness, and also that there was a snake that could talk... would you honestly take them for their word and blindly believe them just because a story said so? Would you really take it seriously?

 

 

Religion in itself is in my eyes a way to control people, but also to try and set a standard of guidelines of morals to people who have none or are misguided. It's good that it's not taught in schools because it doesn't belong since it's a personal belief and people have different views on it.

^Amen. All my thoughts about religion are in there.

LOL

 

You have no idea what are you talking about regarding depression and suicide. Please to be only talking about which you are knowledgeable about, now?

 

I suffered from depression.?

I'm sorry but they way that you talk about a lot of these things I can't take fully seriously.

 

I do think that religion can be good for some people and help them through difficult times. It has been and always will be a sense of comfort, though part of me feels it's false hope at times.

 

In terms of evolution I don't feel I need to. I have learned a lot about it in school, and also people that have wrote about and talked about evolution have studied it and devoted so much time towards it. Of course it's theoretically a theory, but all the evidence we have is so strong. I mean just go to a museum and look at the bones or fossils of older apes... They have a striking familiarity to humans... I wonder why :thinking: Even from a logical standpoint evolution just makes sense. I think it can be explained in a very simple way. We come from the genes and dna of our parents. Their genes/dna came from their parents and so on. As time progresses each increasing generation is evolving and changing based on what dna was combined. It's the same thing if you look at our anatomy. We all have tail bones, gall bladders, and tonsils that are of no use towards us now. Now if god created us, what would be the point of giving us such things as above? It makes more sense to me that overtime our species evolved and adapted to climate and we no longer needed those organs.

 

I'm also not being close minded with those parting of the seas and 6 days. It's just reasoning behind it. Moses was a human being, have you ever seen a single human be able to perform such a feat like that? It is simply impossible. It just sounds like a fairy tale to me. Also another thing is that the stories written in the Bible were written like 2-3 decades after Jesus lived. So I'm sure that overtime that the story changed drastically.

 

Now in terms of Sins this is a point that I think of. Jesus "saved" all of us from having sins and giving forgiveness. So then what happened to all those millions of people before he arrived? I guess I'd imagine they went to hell. It doesn't sound right to me that those people are punished because they were born at the wrong time.

 

 

Hitchens though makes an interesting point. Why would God wait so long to intervene and send Jesus? If humans were around so long, why would he wait and also why would he send his son into a remote part of the world where most people were illiterate? What he talks about the being dirt is a metaphor. He's talking how in religions they say we were created from dust, a clot of blood, and that essentially it's to mean that if we were created from that that we are that.

 

 

The one question that I have for you is how can you think you are so right, when there have been so many millions of Gods over the course of time? Were those people idiots and misguided? Also what about other religions? Are those people completely wrong? I just don't understand how you can make yourself be so sure that the bible is the truth, especially when from a logical thinking person the stories don't make sense.

 

I think this is the biggest problem is that people think they know what god wants just because of a book, yet there are so many different gods. If there is a god clearly someone is wrong. Which also leads me to believe that if God wanted to make everyone equal and love each other why would he have made so many different religions that eventually clash and have killed so many people in the long run?

 

There's just so many contradictions. For example on the stance of same sex couples. The church and religious people think it's completely morally wrong. But if God apparently created us, and since homosexuality is something that you're born with, why would he make people to act that way if his teachings go against it? It'd be like having a fitness trainer telling someone not to go to McDonalds because it's bad, but during their break they go and get a big mac.

 

Also I went to religious school on Sundays for 8 years, so it's not as if I don't know about this stuff.

 

 

Let me just ask you this one question. If in some really poor part of the world today, where there was no media coverage and someone said or wrote down that 20-30 years ago there was a human that could walk on water, part the seas, cure illness, and also that there was a snake that could talk... would you honestly take them for their word and blindly believe them just because a story said so? Would you really take it seriously?

 

 

Religion in itself is in my eyes a way to control people, but also to try and set a standard of guidelines of morals to people who have none or are misguided. It's good that it's not taught in schools because it doesn't belong since it's a personal belief and people have different views on it.

 

How I know that Jesus Christ is the only way to the Father(God) is by experience as I said, I have conversed and sat in His presence. You might say well why are there other religions, I am aware of many muslims coming to trust in Christ alone. An old friend who is now a minister of the Bible was born Muslim accepted Christ at the age of I think 16. This is a regular occurrence and it also happens that people that are Catholic also change to muslim (I can't say you're christian if you don't walk walk with Christ). Because with Christ there is no doubt, because he is present. Well I know Allah is not God based on the inconsistency of the text, He eplains that if you see a jew he must be killed, He (Allah) Had fits but thought he was in the presence of God, he (Allah) was a man of sin not perfect, he failed on many occasions making me wonder how can a man of hate be of God. Buddha never said he was God neither did he say he was the way people exalted him to that status. Hindu Gods, I mean the many gods they have are very confusing, God is not confusing He is clear and precise He does not fool around nor does He make you reverence rats. I'll leave it to you.

 

People make religions, God doesn't make them. You seem to be stuck on Hitchens logic of intellectual thinking rather than understanding (I'm just making a point here now, not saying you have a problem) Understanding means that you take all points of view and try to identify with or comprehend the meaning of their statements, this is done better with text whether it be scientific text, evolution text or biblical text. just merely listening to another speaker who thinks he knows based on a few bits of information is not understanding.

 

In regards to his question of why God would wait so long and what about the many who have not heard of Him, read the bible it is clear. It is not contradictory as people will have you believe. God judges the heart as I explained earlier, actions moral standing etc. Even then there were people who did not know of the God of the Jews yet they new of God and lived their lives as best they could in reverance to the "God Unknown". This is why I encourage you to study for yourself not only Biblical text (check out the Koran, Torah..) scientific text. Its easy to say I learned it at school, everyone has but who is really listening, we only choose to listen to things that make up the sum of the half hour to hour class. I hardly listened in school at all, I have done my own studies gone to public libraries etc.etc. treat it as a quest to learn the truth. There are too many questions for me to answer, I have all the answers for you yet it is not my place to answer them for you because you are rather quite pressed on making your point.

 

If I answer all your questions you will just have another argument that will be logically based on evolution, but because you have not done the necessary studies to know about evolution and the allegations/insinuations it makes I can not answer your questions. It would be like talking as a grade 12 student to a grade 9 about advanced Biology. Just because they haven't studied it doesn't mean they aren't clever it just means they don't have the necessary materials for them to understand. You get me.

 

I DO NOT MEAN FOR ANY OF THIS TO SOUND ARROGANT..But if you are going to argue the point argue with specific details. Argue Microevolution vs Macroevolution a debate that will go on for years because this is based on things that are seen in dna etc.. Evolution as a theory is however without a backbone and has no legs to stand on. Based on the inconsistencies (go to your library) I have no reason to believe in much of what scientists have to say on this topic. Their finding have been inconclusive.

 

Homosexuality is not something your born with...Use a brain muscle. religious school doesn't help I went to religious school I never learned a thing never listened I was totally thinking about girls and soccer etc. religion meant nothing to me. study now that you have a brain for it.

 

I take the presence of God seriously and therefore because Jesus has spoken to me personally I have Literal belief in the integrity of the Bible. My question to you is why after so many people are still being healed by Jesus Christ from blindness, disability and disease do you not take Him seriously. Why is that, Why is it too hard to believe that God is ever present in this world, use your eyes, open them and you will see that God is here in amongst us yet we fail to use what He has given us..spiritual eyes to see Him clearly...Faith requires belief, go to a conference don't be pulled into the hype, see the people come in broken, go to a Reinhard Bonnke conference check out what Jesus is doing..

 

People have different views on being made from soup (which is the evolution theory).

 

To have any enduring claim to viability the theory of evolution must explain the origin of life in its own terms. It must be able to answer the question, “How did life evolve from non-living forms?’ It needs also to explain how the notion of “selection for survival” operates before life exists, to explain how “life” is the best way for non-living forms to exist longer. Just as the theory tells us that, because rhinoceroses with the thickest skin did best in battles with other rhinoceroses, over aeons of time rhinoceroses evolved skins as thick as skins can possibly get while still functioning as skins ñ so too, it needs to tell us how life is an adaptation. If it is, what is it an adaptation to? Moreover, if life is an adaptation, why is it the same across the whole range of living forms (animal or plant or in-between)? We have innumerable varieties of living forms (adapted, we are told, to different conditions of climate and competition for food resources) but we do not have different varieties of being alive. Is that what we should expect? Should we not expect that the creatures who lived longest (and had offspring the least often) would have out-survived all competition, until eventually they lived so long it was for ever? Or, vice-versa that those who lived the shortest lives (and therefore had more offspring more often) eventually fell back, after aeons of trial and proof, into hardly being alive at all individually, but merely replicating themselves? In fact, of course, the same climate and conditions of competition for food resources support both relatively long- and relatively short-lived forms at every level of complexity and thoroughly intermingled within even the same individual life-form.

 

Life rests upon an infinitely precarious equilibrium among the proteins, the building blocks of life, found in the simplest to the most complex of living forms. Denying the existence of a conscious Creator, the theory of evolution cannot explain how this equilibrium was established and protected. The theory proposes chance and coincidence as the only scientific way to think about the question. But a scientific way of looking at a problem must have at least some likelihood of being true, if we are to expend energy fruitfully on verifying or falsifying it. In other words, a hypothesis must be reasonable to start with so that we can test and judge it. It must not be irrational: the appeal to chance and random coincidences is nothing if not an abandonment of reason. A protein is made up of the combination of on average 1000-1500 amino acids in 20 different types in a certain sequence. Even a single error in that sequence renders the protein useless. There is zero probability of this happening by chance, not even if the universe is billions of light-years wide and long. One of the foremost advocates of evolution, the Russian scientist A.I. Oparin confesses this impossibility in his book The Origin of Life (pp.132-133). Even the simplest of these materials (proteins), consisting of thousands of carbon, hydrogen, oxygen and nitrogen atoms, each with a unique design presents highly sophisticated structure. For those who study the structure of the proteins, it is as hopeless for these proteins to have formed by chance as the for the Aeneid (the long Latin epic by Virgil) to have been composed by random association of the letters of the Latin alphabet.

 

I'll leave it to you to investigate the rest...Have a great time researching I hope you diligently seek the truth. I am no longer going to tal on this subject there is enough evidence to points to creator..I have no time for the fable of evolution, its a bad fable at that.

What I'm trying to understand is how someone can believe all of these stories to be 100% factually true. The Bible or Religion was a logical thing to turn to at the time when there was no science and explination for phenomena. People would call sicknesses or typhoons or earthquakes an act of god when in fact they didn't understand there were microscopic organisms causing sickness or that typhoons and earthquakes were just a part of nature.

 

Does evolution have things that are not as of yet known or fully explainable? Of course. As with any other science, there's always questions and things to be discovered and answered. But with science you have people that devote their lives and years into research. It's the same as how the church has had so many beliefs change because of science research. I just don't see how you can deny that evolution exists. If anything than just say that it was part of God's grand scheme of things to make it.

 

 

Also homosexuality is something that people are born with. Even the leader of the Human Genome Project has proven there is exact gene for it. Plus, logically with so much prejudice and hatred brought towards people that are like that, do you think they'd really want to bring that on themselves if they could help it?

 

People are still being healed by Jesus Christ from blindness, disability and disease? Then how come I had a religious school teacher who was so devoted to the church and teaching she is still blind after so many decades? Or I have an uncle who is also religious but has a disability that will never go away. If I have a sickness I think I'd rather go to a doctor than wish away the problem.

 

 

I'll tell you exactly why it's too hard to believe that God is ever present in this world is because there's so much hatred, violence and problems because religion is a leading factor. The stories in the bible just sound ridiculous! Do you honestly believe that there was a snake that could talk? Or that the Earth is only 6,000 years old? Plus the bible is terrible in it's teachings that slavery is okay as well as treating women badly. If we are all born equal and God is all loving why are things acceptable and said in the Bible?

 

Listen of course I don't know every single detail of evolution or of the Bible, but from what my understanding is up to this point it's something that logically makes much more sense than that we are from Adam and Ever.

 

Look, you can believe what you want to believe and that's fine. I'm just trying to get a better understanding how your convictions can be so strong when in my opinion the stories are ridiculous. I think it of course has helped some people get through difficult times and has been a thing which they have turned to for guidance and hope. There is no question about that. At the same time you cannot deny how much harm it has done throughout the world over the years with so many wars fighting each other based on sacred land or because people don't believe the same things. Just because someone is religious doesn't make them a moral or good person. In the end when we die, if there is a God I think that he is going to judge us more so on how we treated our fellow human and how we tried to do good towards others. I really doubt that he's going to care what we ate on certain days, or how often we went to church, or who we slept with or whatever.

 

 

 

You don't have to respond to the full post above but I truthfully just want to ask something. Don't you, from a logical point of view (religion aside), think that the idea of a talking snake, a man walking on water, the existance of giants and other mythical creatures, turning water into wine, making a loaf of bread feed more people than it realistically should, a man parting the sea is kind of farfetched? If someone claimed that they were witness to any one of these things, don't you think they might be a bit crazy to think that?

 

 

I think that it is an interesting debate and I have enjoyed discussing and reading your posts on this. :)

I guess we can agree to disagree, being that it seems neither of our minds will be changed.

I suffered from depression.?

 

Ok and that means you can generalize for everyone that suffers from it?

 

You don't have to respond to the full post above but I truthfully just want to ask something. Don't you, from a logical point of view (religion aside), think that the idea of a talking snake, a man walking on water, the existance of giants and other mythical creatures, turning water into wine, making a loaf of bread feed more people than it realistically should, a man parting the sea is kind of farfetched? If someone claimed that they were witness to any one of these things, don't you think they might be a bit crazy to think that?

 

 

I think that it is an interesting debate and I have enjoyed discussing and reading your posts on this. :)

I guess we can agree to disagree, being that it seems neither of our minds will be changed.

 

From a logical (reason,sense or judgment) point of view, there is little common (meaning world view) sense to Faith (confidence, trust, reliance, assurance, conviction, belief, devotion, loyalty). Coming from a common world view sense I can see how it would be hard to believe much of what has happened through the accounts of the prophets and men of God. However because of my relationship with Christ I believe these things did happen. You could bring into account that friends and family of mine were healed from disabilities, heart conditions, cancers. An aunty of mine was in the hospital only given a couple months to live she had cancer, was not christian but I asked her if we could pray (going there with the intention of praying for and with her) with a couple believers in the room we prayed and the doctor now has no explanation for her recovery. She is completely healed.

 

I cannot explain how God heals I can only express a relationship that has been confirmed by lives being changed, people being healed. I can't explain God's love but I can tell you He is waiting for you to seek Him. I do believe that the sea's were parted, water was turned into wine, I mean if from a common sense point of view God had come down to earth I'd expect Him to do some miraculous stuff, wouldn't you? Stuff that would blow my mind. Otherwise I'd find it hard to believe this guy was who he says he is. Maybe with some persuasion, Maybe..:)

 

In regards to the witness, it was many witnesses not just a few sometimes in the hundreds. Its been great talking but I'm gonna play a bit of Call Of Duty Zombies if you wanted to join my name on there is EPiK_NATiON...Great having a talk...Oh and its on PS3..

 

Peace and God Bless..

Ok and that means you can generalize for everyone that suffers from it?

 

Well as a christian I care about others so when it happened to me I tried to understand it by studying it by going to the library and checking online. So my friend I think you should grow up a little and stop fighting with people because your angry with life..I hope you find Gods love.. Peace You are okay in my books::o

Well as a christian I care about others so when it happened to me I tried to understand it by studying it by going to the library and checking online. So my friend I think you should grow up a little and stop fighting with people because your angry with life..

 

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^^Agreed