Guest howyousawtheworld Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 Young Porto manager to conquer Europe? Heard that one before. Villas Boas has smashed records at the club which Mourinho previously held. Believe it or not he joined Porto's backroom technical staff when Bobby Robson was managing them in the mid 90s aged 18. So as a teenager he was already assisting Robson. He actually gained some of his UEFA coaching badges here in Scotland - I don't expect this is where his impeccable English skills were learnt though! :D Aged 21 he was managing the British Virgin Islands and then returned to Porto and began assisting Mourinho who he followed to Chelsea and Inter Milan until he was offered the job at Academia in 09 and following that successful year at Academia became Porto manager. And he's never played a professional game of football in his life! But it seems the best managers are the ones who played little football. Mourinho for example retired playing at 22. But yeah, incredibly talented manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc_squared Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 I reckon the horse has already well and truly bolted as far as Blackpool are concerned.:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc_squared Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 But it seems the best managers are the ones who played little football. Including Sven?:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest howyousawtheworld Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 Including Sven?:rolleyes: Sven had a few years playing for a few games in Sweden didn't he? And regardless of what other people think of him I think he's a very very good manager. Maybe his time has passed but a decade back he was one of the hottest properties in management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest howyousawtheworld Posted April 10, 2011 Share Posted April 10, 2011 I feel disappointed about Blackpool's slide. They've come into the Premier League and played some fantastic football and not negative long ball crap like Pulis's Stoke. I think Holloway has done a marvellous job regardless of what happens to them at the end of the season. Blackpool would not be near the Premier League without him. As fantastic a job Hodgson is doing at West Brom his first half of the season with Liverpool was utterly dire when you compare it to the vastly improved job Dalglish has done. If he was given Manager of the year having been sacked from a team half way through then something wouldn't be right there. Also it's not as if West Brom haven't performed like this all season. They had an amazing start to the season that took a lull from autumn onwards but it's picked up again under new management. I think Owen Coyle has done a real solid job yet again at Bolton this year playing good football so I'd give it to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Myshkin Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Looking forward to seeing the new Portugese guy then. As for Blackpool, second half of the season some of the new boys get found out, particularly the defensively naive. Hull (who just survived but went down the following year) two seasons ago, Burnley last season and now the Seasiders. All went through long spells without wins. The main hope they can hold on to is that those around them fail to perform and it stays as tight as possible so they can claw back some optimism. I for one hope they go down, but that's for the sake of my own club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deaths_friend Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Arsenal has been taken over. what do we all think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Myshkin Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 I think they should spend silly money on Phil Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest howyousawtheworld Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Arsenal has been taken over. what do we all think? Not surprised. Was only a matter of time before Kroenke bought enough shares to get over the 30% stake he needed to launch an outright bid for the club. Shrewd businessmen and is known as a no debts man unlike the Glazers at Man Utd. Owns many sporting franchises across America and every single one of them a great success. He is without doubt the most influential and successful sports owner in the world. Would keep Arsenal as the self sustaining, incredibly strong financial model they have become. He'll work well with Wenger (a board member at Arsenal too such is his influence) as he has done in the past. I'm pretty sure it will be a big positive for Arsenal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc_squared Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 I feel disappointed about Blackpool's slide. They've come into the Premier League and played some fantastic football and not negative long ball crap like Pulis's Stoke. I think Holloway has done a marvellous job regardless of what happens to them at the end of the season. Blackpool would not be near the Premier League without him. I agree, but it's unfortunately the same story as usual, that of an "unfashionable" promoted team falling at the final hurdle after coming out of the traps at full pelt and initially taking the league by surprise. They just can't compete with the big-money teams - that's just the way it is. As fantastic a job Hodgson is doing at West Brom his first half of the season with Liverpool was utterly dire when you compare it to the vastly improved job Dalglish has done. True, although Dalglish hovering in the background didn't help matters, if Hodgson is to be believed. At the end of the day, he just wasn't the right man for Liverpool, whatever way you look at it. If he was given Manager of the year having been sacked from a team half way through then something wouldn't be right there. Also it's not as if West Brom haven't performed like this all season. They had an amazing start to the season that took a lull from autumn onwards but it's picked up again under new management. I think Owen Coyle has done a real solid job yet again at Bolton this year playing good football so I'd give it to him. Owen Coyle has certainly done a good job at Bolton, but you can't say they have really done anything spectacular. David Moyes has really turned things around at Everton again, though. If they end up getting a European spot, he will deserve the accolade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Myshkin Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 More reactionary stuff from Mark. Only interested in the here and now. Everton fans aren't impressed with this season because for the first time they actually had a few extra players at their disposal since their injury crisis wasn't as large as usual (they had some strikers to choose from). Just because a manager or team does shit in the first half of the season then pulls it back doesn't mean they deserve manager of the season. At least with Bolton they were pretty much certain for bottom half. Everton were expected to qualify for Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc_squared Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 More reactionary stuff from Mark. Only interested in the here and now. Everton fans aren't impressed with this season because for the first time they actually had a few extra players at their disposal since their injury crisis wasn't as large as usual (they had some strikers to choose from). Just because a manager or team does shit in the first half of the season then pulls it back doesn't mean they deserve manager of the season. At least with Bolton they were pretty much certain for bottom half. Everton were expected to qualify for Europe. Absolute twaddle. The only teams "expected" to qualify for Europe are Man U, Arsenal, Chelski and Man City (the latter mainly owing to their unlimited resources). Fans of Liverpool no doubt still expect their team to qualify, but those expectations are currently unrealistic, as they just don't have the squad to compete. Liverpool are now one of a handful of teams who have a realistic chance of qualifying, including Spurs and Everton. If any Everton fans seriously expected their team to qualify, they're obviously deluded, and need to get real (similarly any Spurs fans who thought they had a realistic chance of winning the CL).:dozey: The rest are merely battling it out for the minor places and to avoid relegation. That's the Premiership in a nutshell, and nothing is going to chance while it continues to be ruled by "big money".:smug: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest howyousawtheworld Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 I agree, but it's unfortunately the same story as usual, that of an "unfashionable" promoted team falling at the final hurdle after coming out of the traps at full pelt and initially taking the league by surprise. They just can't compete with the big-money teams - that's just the way it is. True, although Dalglish hovering in the background didn't help matters, if Hodgson is to be believed. At the end of the day, he just wasn't the right man for Liverpool, whatever way you look at it. Owen Coyle has certainly done a good job at Bolton, but you can't say they have really done anything spectacular. David Moyes has really turned things around at Everton again, though. If they end up getting a European spot, he will deserve the accolade. Hodgson doesn't have an excuse in saying Dalglish was hovering about. Dalglish had been at the club as director of the academy since Spring 2009 so Hodgson knew what personnel he was walking up to in joining the club. The very fact Dalglish was at the club during those poor months under Hodgson was a relief because it offered an easy backup plan when Hodgson got sacked. Dalglish was there supporting Hodgson and was on hand to offer advice but clearly Hodgson thought he didn't need the advice. And I still believe Owen Coyle would be a good choice as manager of the year. If he beats Stoke on Sunday then his team is in the FA Cup Final and that achievement coupled with a solid season in the Premier League bodes very well for Bolton in the future. He also seems to have coupled the physical nature of the Premier League with a good modern brand of football as well. Something that is beyond the capabilities of simple (but effective) long ball merchants like Hodgson and Pulis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc_squared Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Hodgson doesn't have an excuse in saying Dalglish was hovering about. Dalglish had been at the club as director of the academy since Spring 2009 so Hodgson knew what personnel he was walking up to in joining the club. The very fact Dalglish was at the club during those poor months under Hodgson was a relief because it offered an easy backup plan when Hodgson got sacked. Dalglish was there supporting Hodgson and was on hand to offer advice but clearly Hodgson thought he didn't need the advice. Fair enough, but the club still appointed the wrong man, and should have realised he wouldn't be a big enough "name". And I still believe Owen Coyle would be a good choice as manager of the year. If he beats Stoke on Sunday then his team is in the FA Cup Final Let's see what happens, then.;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Myshkin Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Mark, you don't think Everton should be qualifying for the Europa Cup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc_squared Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Mark, you don't think Everton should be qualifying for the Europa Cup? With either Spurs or City in the mix depending on which one makes the CL? Don't be daft.:dozey: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Myshkin Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Birmingham knackering things up ad winning the League Cup. I do apologise. They should still be in a position to get 7th by a comfortable margin (and I mean a comfortable margin), pushing for 6th given Liverpool's start to the season and recent problems. They've been very disappointing and won't make 6th purely because they were abysmal at the start. Rovers beat them ffs. This was their season when you consider Villa also slipped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc_squared Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Birmingham knackering things up ad winning the League Cup. I do apologise. They should still be in a position to get 7th by a comfortable margin (and I mean a comfortable margin), pushing for 6th given Liverpool's start to the season and recent problems. They've been very disappointing and won't make 6th purely because they were abysmal at the start. Rovers beat them ffs. This was their season when you consider Villa also slipped. Isn't only one league place (fifth) guaranteed depending on who wins the cups? If Bolton or Stoke happen to win the F.A. Cup, wouldn't that then mean the places would go to one of them, plus Birmingham and the team in fifth place? If that's the case, it's going to be either City or Spurs. End of story. The one thing I'll agree with is that Liverpool, Everton and Villa have all come up short this season. Doesn't mean any of them can expect to get into Europe, though. That would be arrogant and deluded.:dozey: What the Premiership really needs is for the likes of Liverpool, Everton and Villa to become forces to be reckoned with again to keep the likes of Spurs and City on their toes. At the moment, the gulf between the top five and the rest appears to be widening, sadly, which is to the detriment of the league. It's not even as if any of the top five teams have had outstanding seasons, either, which should be of concern. That's why Man U will probably end up winning the championship without really having to break sweat. Let's face it, it's been more a case of the challengers shooting themselves in the foot than anything else. As much as I love watching Arsenal play (and would love to see them win the title again), there's no way they should be in the runners-up spot with a defence as fragile as theirs! I reckon that says more about Chelski and City than it does them!:dozey: To be frank, it's an embarrassment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Myshkin Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Isn't only one league place (fifth) guaranteed depending on who wins the cups? If Bolton or Stoke happen to win the F.A. Cup, wouldn't that then mean the places would go to one of them, plus Birmingham and the team in fifth place? If that's the case, it's going to be either City or Spurs. End of story. The one thing I'll agree with is that Liverpool, Everton and Villa have all come up short this season. Doesn't mean any of them can expect to get into Europe, though. That would be arrogant and deluded.:dozey: A top 4 team will win the FA Cup. Liverpool and Everton have come up short yet you want their former manager and manager respectively to get the manager of the season award? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc_squared Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 A top 4 team will win the FA Cup. Don't count your chickens. Look what happened to Arsenal in the Carling.:dozey: Liverpool and Everton have come up short yet you want their former manager and manager respectively to get the manager of the season award? I reckon pretty much every team has come up short in one way or another, which has been to the detriment of the Premiership in terms of quality. That's why Moyes and Hodgson are in the frame for the way they've turned the fortunes of Everton and West Brom around respectively. Maybe it would actually be better to scrap the award this year altogether as nobody has done enough to deserve it. Unless, of course, either Man U or Chelski wins the CL, which is looking extremely unlikely given the form of Barca.:dozey: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Myshkin Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Well I wouldn't give it Chelsea if they finished third, regardless of their European performance. United, Bolton and possibly City IF they get third and win the FA Cup and United don't win the Champs League. If United only win the league and Blackpool stop up then give it to Holloway, but I can't see that happening. If Blackpool do go down and United only win the league then an outside chance of Coyle but you'd imagine it would go to Fergie. Aside from that I'd give it Bruce before Hodgson and Moyes (two of my favourite PL managers) and Sunderland haven't coped with Bent's departure at all. And I will count my chickens, since the very reason a top four club will win is because one didn't win the League Cup so they won't be over-cocky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc_squared Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Well I wouldn't give it Chelsea if they finished third, regardless of their European performance. United, Bolton and possibly City IF they get third and win the FA Cup and United don't win the Champs League. If United only win the league and Blackpool stop up then give it to Holloway, but I can't see that happening. If Blackpool do go down and United only win the league then an outside chance of Coyle but you'd imagine it would go to Fergie. Aside from that I'd give it Bruce before Hodgson and Moyes (two of my favourite PL managers) and Sunderland haven't coped with Bent's departure at all. Well all of that appears to support my argument that nobody really deserves it as things stand. It would be won by default rather than on merit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Myshkin Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 Well all of that appears to support my argument that nobody really deserves it as things stand. It would be won by default rather than on merit. All of that? So if United won the double or treble? Or if Blackpool stopped up? Or if City won the FA Cup and broke the top 3? And as for every team underperforming, explain how either of the things above, plus Bolton and even Newcastle's league positions have not been higher than anticipated? Actually, Pardew would get it before Moyes and Hodgson in my book given the stick he got when he started and the fact they have been under no pressure at all recently, whilst also managing some hot heads and losing his star player. This is their first season up remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc_squared Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 All of that? So if United won the double or treble? Or if Blackpool stopped up? Or if City won the FA Cup and broke the top 3? I said as things stand. All of the above are extremely unlikely other than United winning two trophies. That might just happen. And as for every team underperforming, explain how either of the things above, plus Bolton and even Newcastle's league positions have not been higher than anticipated? Actually, Pardew would get it before Moyes and Hodgson in my book given the stick he got when he started and the fact they have been under no pressure at all recently, whilst also managing some hot heads and losing his star player. This is their first season up remember. They're still both pretty poor teams, relatively speaking. Newcastle were abysmal at the weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest howyousawtheworld Posted April 11, 2011 Share Posted April 11, 2011 ANDY CARROLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LIVERPOOL 1 - 0 MAN CITY!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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