Guest howyousawtheworld Posted April 27, 2011 Share Posted April 27, 2011 The Glasgow School of football management When it comes to churning out great football managers, one city in the United Kingdom stands head and shoulders above the rest. From Jock Stein to Sir Alex Ferguson, via Sir Matt Busby and George Graham, Glasgow and its surrounding suburbs has the richest of managerial traditions. And the supply line shows no sign of drying up, with six Glaswegians currently in charge of English Premier League clubs (Ferguson - Man Utd, Kenny Dalglish - Liverpool, David Moyes - Everton, Alex McLeish - Birmingham, Steve Kean - Blackburn, Owen Coyle - Bolton), more than all the English managers in the top-flight combined. So what is it about an upbringing in the Scottish city that instils such leadership qualities? And what can other managers learn from Glasgow's latest golden generation? Moyes, who was born and raised in Glasgow before starting his playing career at Celtic, believes the phenomenon is down to a desire to escape from the tough realities of life in the city's working-class suburbs. "You had to look after yourself in Glasgow," reflects Moyes in "The Glasgow School", a BBC Radio 5 live Sport special to be aired at 2000 BST on Thursday. "That didn't mean you had to be the best fighter, it just meant you had to look after yourself, whether that meant you had the sharpest tongue, or you were a fast runner and could run away from people, or you could handle yourself. "The environment in Glasgow made me want to get involved in football. At that time there was nothing else. It was football or nothing. You played in the park on a Sunday, and with your pals at night in the street. I didn't really know anything else." While Moyes puts a degree of the Glaswegians' success down to the gruff accent that naturally inspires authority, McLeish says working-class kids from the city - often the offspring of miners or shipbuilders - are motivated by a desire to prove themselves. "It's in the DNA," he says. "There was a definite determination to succeed. My dad was a sore loser and that probably rubbed off on me as well." McLeish managed in Scotland for 13 years before taking charge of the Blues in 2007. "Coming to England I was determined to prove myself and there was a feeling that I cannot be seen to fail down here," he adds. "There is a relentless drive to show you can cut it against the big guns and the elite of the English league." McLeish, who played under Ferguson at Aberdeen, believes each new generation of Glaswegian managers has taken inspiration and advice from predecessors. "Having followed Sir Alex's career you realise that Jock Stein was a big mentor to him, just as Sir Alex has been to me and many of his other proteges," reflects the former Rangers boss. "Why would I not pick up the phone to Sir Alex?" With Coyle, Kean and Paul Lambert (Norwich) at the forefront of another generation of managers from the city, the Glasgow School looks certain to remain peerless for years to come. LISTEN TO "THE GLASGOW SCHOOL" ON BBC RADIO 5 LIVE FROM 2000 TO 2200 BST ON THURSDAY http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/13207334.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc_squared Posted April 28, 2011 Share Posted April 28, 2011 ^Not only that, but Glasgow has also produced a lot of fantastic musicians over the years. Must be something in the water.:P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bart Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 Hear, hear I feel so strong about this I feel like writting a letter to the club, asking each fan at the club never to sing those songs ever game, or they will never be able to go any game again, hopefully the gesture, will be taken on by other clubs whos fans just sing songs that are just as bad, this sort of behaviour no longer belongs in the game. Our owner is said to been very dissapointed, and maybee upset. in our behaviour and the songs some people sung, he also lost his own brother it has been mentioned a short while ago in a plane crash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc_squared Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 I feel so strong about this I feel like writting a letter to the club, asking each fan at the club never to sing those songs ever game, or they will never be able to go any game again, hopefully the gesture, will be taken on by other clubs whos fans just sing songs that are just as bad, this sort of behaviour no longer belongs in the game. . I agree. Anybody that sings songs relating to tragedies should be banned for life, and named and shamed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Myshkin Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 George Graham? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Rose Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 Looks like the Sun doesn't like QPR... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc_squared Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Did anyone see Girth Crooks on Football Focus today? I think he's been over-indulging in pies.:rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Rose Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Congrats to QPR for winning promotion! Bye Sheffield United & Sc*nthorpe (damn censor) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest howyousawtheworld Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 That was a goooood win for Chelsea today. Watch out Tottenham! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Rose Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 That was a goooood win for Chelsea today. Watch out Tottenham! Speaking to a Spurs fan at work, he says he would prefer not having European football next-year compared to going into the Europa League Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest howyousawtheworld Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 Speaking to a Spurs fan at work, he says he would prefer not having European football next-year compared to going into the Europa League I can see where he's coming from. Watching most of the games in the Europa League this year as a Liverpool fan was disheartening especially struggling against these minnow sides from leagues in Europe that aren't up to that much. But 5th place would be a real statement of the good work done by Kenny Dalglish since he came in. It's far from quality but it's another competition that you can try and win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navegador Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 That was a goooood win for Chelsea today. With a huge help from the ref and yet another horror show by Gomes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Rose Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 I can see where he's coming from. Watching most of the games in the Europa League this year as a Liverpool fan was disheartening especially struggling against these minnow sides from leagues in Europe that aren't up to that much. But 5th place would be a real statement of the good work done by Kenny Dalglish since he came in. It's far from quality but it's another competition that you can try and win. It's mainly for the long away trips to far-away places which takes up most of a day to reach before coming back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest howyousawtheworld Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 With a huge help from the ref and yet another horror show by Gomes. You can say that again! Yet more evidence of how backwards football is on the field. Every major sport uses video technology today but football doesn't. Shows how useless those corrupt bastards at FIFA are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navegador Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 You can say that again! Yet more evidence of how backwards football is on the field. Every major sport uses video technology today but football doesn't. Shows how useless those corrupt bastards at FIFA are. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc_squared Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 That was a goooood win for Chelsea today. Watch out Tottenham! Yes - it'll be hilarious if Liverpool end up pipping them for fifth!:lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busybeeburns Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 Title race still alive - Man Utd boss Sir Alex Ferguson Title race still alive - Man Utd boss Sir Alex Ferguson Sir Alex Ferguson says the Premier League title race is not over despite Manchester United holding a six-point lead with four games left. His team's closest challengers are Chelsea on 67 points, with Arsenal three points further back in third. United play Arsenal away on Sunday and are at home to Chelsea on 8 May. "There is still drama ahead. Two months ago everyone was looking at these two games as league deciders. They probably are now," said United manager Ferguson. The teams at the top will drop points, including Chelsea. If we get to the last home game [against Blackpool] needing to win it to win the league, I would be happy with that." After the Chelsea match, United are away at Blackburn on 14 May and then finish with the visit of Blackpool eight days later. "The slant I seemed to be getting is that Arsenal and Chelsea are expecting to win these games and change the top of the league," stated Ferguson. "Why can't we win these matches? Surely, given the form we are in, we can. It is not going to be any easier for Arsenal or Chelsea than it is for us. These are difficult games." If Chelsea beat Tottenham on Saturday and United lose at Arsenal, the Blues could go top if they win at Old Trafford. A draw for United on Sunday would rule out such a prospect, although Ferguson is more interested in winning. "A point away from home at Arsenal is not the worst point - but that is not what we are going down there looking for," he commented. United will arrive high on confidence following Tuesday's 2-0 win at Schalke in the first leg of their Champions League semi-final. Only an unthinkable three-goal home defeat in the second leg on 4 May can deny the Red Devils a place in the final, where they are likely to meet Barcelona after the Catalans beat Real Madrid on Wednesday. Ferguson expects to have midfielder Darren Fletcher available following a virus, while top-scorer Dimitar Berbatov has recovered from a minor groin strain. But Ferguson may opt to continue with Wayne Rooney and Javier Hernandez in attack, with the pair having struck up a superb partnership. "Wayne's form has been fantastic," the Scot added. "He and Javier have been a revelation in the last few weeks. It has given us all great hope." While Ferguson is preparing himself for the title battle to go down to the final day of the season, a defeat for Chelsea on Saturday could lead to the silverware being secured significantly earlier. And Chelsea manager Carlo Ancelotti agreed that a Spurs side that retains serious ambitions of finishing in the top four and qualifying for the Champions League would provide stern opposition. "They will try to do everything against us because now they have a gap to close to Man City," said the Italian. "It will not be easy because Tottenham is a very good team, very strong. but I think that we want to keep open the Premier League until the last minute. Obviously, we have to beat Man United, we have to beat Tottenham. We want to fight until the last minute of this Premier League." Ancelotti is also aware that his side are likely to require a favour from an out-of-form Arsenal side whose own slide out of serious title contention has been described as 'frustrating' by their manager Arsene Wenger. "I think Arsenal will do their best to win," added Ancelotti. "They have less chance to fight for the title. But I think Man City behind them [close] [Manchester City being five points behind with a game in hand]. If you arrive third, you don't have to play the preliminary of the Champions League." http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/13241247.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busybeeburns Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 Alan Hansen on Arsenal v Manchester United Alan Hansen on Arsenal v Manchester United Arsene Wenger will have once regarded Sunday's meeting with Manchester United at the Emirates as potentially the defining moment in his quest to regain the Premier League title. Now, as Arsenal's season continues to decline dramatically, he will watch his team face a side on course for a record 19th title and a manager in Sir Alex Ferguson who has perfected the art of sustained success. If United go on to win the Premier League, as I now fully expect, Ferguson's presence and managerial brilliance will tower over the achievement. In a season of fluctuations, I actually believe if he had been in charge of any of the other sides in the top four, then they would have claimed the title ahead of United - he has been that influential. Ferguson now has another title within touching distance and has surely led United to a third Champions League final in four years after their 2-0 semi-final first leg win against Schalke 04 in Germany. And how frustrating it will all be for Wenger, who must now contemplate a sequence without silverware stretching over six years, a bitter disappointment in the context of his previous wonderful successes at Arsenal. This campaign may well be seen as a monument to the mastery of Ferguson as a manager. To win trophies with great teams is achievement enough, but to do it with a United side that is not one of the greats of his time at Old Trafford is even better in my view. I have no hesitation in saying that I believe winning the Premier League and the Champions League with this United team would represent a better feat than winning the Premier League, FA Cup and Champions League with the team he had in 1999. In fact, I would say it would be his greatest achievement. United still have work to do, as Ferguson will be constantly reminding his players, but as he closes out the season fuelled by the prospect of success at home and abroad, it will be a time for reflection by Wenger on an unfulfilling season. This has changed the landscape of Sunday's game and once again brought into focus the contrasting fortunes of these two clubs and two managers. Last weekend could have summed up the season. Manchester United delivered a masterclass in getting the job done, late as it was, against Everton at Old Trafford last Saturday. Fast forward to Bolton 24 hours later, and we saw Arsenal suffering what was surely the final setback when losing 2-1. In the space of a few short weeks, Arsenal and Wenger's hopes of claiming at least one of four trophies they were chasing have been shattered while United close in on the honours once more. I have said a hundred times before that it is not how you perform in October and November that is crucial, it is how you perform when the pressure tightens in the last few weeks of the season. You are unlikely to get a series of phenomenal performances then because the games are coming thick and fast, sometimes in a variety of competitions, and players are tired. It is about how deep you can dig in those tough times and while Arsenal's season has collapsed around them, United have shown once again that they can dig deeper than most when it counts. Ferguson, more than anyone else, has managed and dragged those players along by their bootlaces this season. Wenger, Chelsea coach Carlo Ancelotti and Manchester City's Roberto Mancini expect success, Ferguson demands it, and when margins are fine that is what makes the difference. This is not a great United side in the mould of the 1999 or 2008 teams and like all successful teams they have had some good fortune with decisions along the way. They should have had penalties given against them at West Bromwich Albion and Blackpool that could have proved crucial, Wayne Rooney's elbow was missed early on at Wigan and Nemanja Vidic should have been sent off when they were losing at West Ham United. United have also had a few stinkers on the road this season, but when the points are added up at the end of the season it is highly likely they will have more than anyone else so that shuts down the debate about who has been the best team. Arsenal may be the best in terms of technical ability and being pleasing on the eye, Chelsea had a flier but have lost their way in parts of the season and City have ground stuff out. United have been a combination of all those things but have shown their qualities and superiority when it has mattered most. It is an obvious source of frustration to Wenger that his hopes of a trophy now look certain to come to nothing for a sixth season in succession. How he must have wished to be preparing to take on United at The Emirates with the title on the line, instead he is left with yet another case of what might have been. And we go back to the old flaw that has cost Arsenal, namely a lack of leadership and team spirit when the battle is at its most intense. Team spirit and leadership is an irrelevance when you are 4-0 up, it is when you are staring into the abyss that you need to call on these qualities and recent events have proved Arsenal don't have them. Wenger is a genius in some respects, bringing players in, selling them on at the right time, balancing the books and achieving great success up until 2005 without spending exorbitant amounts of money - but even when you look at him on the sidelines you couldn't call him a Napoloen. You look at Ferguson, or even Kenny Dalglish now he is back at Liverpool, and you see that intensity and the veins bulging. You don't want to frighten players but what you do and say on the sidelines must get a response. You also need a leader on the pitch, the eyes and ears of the manager and his voice on the field in a sense, who can get messages across and rally his team-mates when the fight is on. Do Arsenal have that? Recent results and events suggest not. The good news for Wenger is that while there are very obvious problems for him to solve, I don't actually think it will cost him £100m to find the cure. Sometimes finding a leader is not a question of finding the best player, but someone who can be an example in words and actions to his team-mates at the vital times. Wenger would love to find someone in the mould of Nemanja Vidic at United, who is not only a hugely commanding presence as a player but also as a character. And what has happened to Arsenal will presumably have Wenger scouring his contacts and scouting network to find this player, this character. Arsenal have some wonderful players and an average age of 23, so for all the criticism I have given them for the faults I have mentioned, I really do think Wenger can give them that crucial extra dimension of leadership and team spirit without casting aside the financial common sense that has been the hallmark of his time at the club. On Sunday, however, he will be facing a Manchester United team and their great manager as they are on course for yet another season of success, while he contemplates how he can use his summer to make the changes necessary to bring trophies back to Arsenal. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/13224208.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Rose Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 Arsenal 1 - 0 Man Utd So it comes down to Man Utd/Chelsea next week, if Chelsea manage to do a West Brom and become only the 2nd team this season to take something away from the dump they will be slightly ahead on Goal-Difference, although anything can happen in the other 2 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest howyousawtheworld Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 Arsenal 1 - 0 Man Utd So it comes down to Man Utd/Chelsea next week, if Chelsea manage to do a West Brom and become only the 2nd team this season to take something away from the dump they will be slightly ahead on Goal-Difference, although anything can happen in the other 2 games. They were the last team to win at Old Trafford last year which I'm sure will be lying in the back of Man Utd's minds. What are the chances they'll win there again? No doubt Arsenal deserved their win today and I was absolutely delighted it was Aaron Ramsey who scored the winner for them after that horrific injury he suffered thanks at Stoke last year. And another good home win against Newcastle for Liverpool today. Wasn't brilliant football but King Kenny and Steve Clarke have finally been able to get the whole team chipping in with goals which is great news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Rose Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 Have you got your bags packed ready for the journey for the 4th best Macedonian team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bart Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 Just Imagine if Dalglish was in control of Liverpool from the start of the season ! he is a genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest howyousawtheworld Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 Have you got your bags packed ready for the journey for the 4th best Macedonian team? Yeah. All I need now is trade some ready booked plane tickets from Tottenham fans! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest howyousawtheworld Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 Just Imagine if Dalglish was in control of Liverpool from the start of the season ! he is a genius. Special mention to Steve Clarke a fantastic world class coach particularly in the defensive department. Almost a boot room dream team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a_face_of_light Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 No, not Chelsea, come on Man Utd don't let them win it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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