Zonked out? That really is not getting me fired up at all. If Coldplay had gone on to make LP4 without somebody pushing them in new directions, the result would have been a retread of X&Y, which is not what I (or the band) wanted at all. They probably were zonked out at the time, if you interpret that to mean disoriented, confused, or lacking direction. They weren't sure whether they wanted to please the masses or take a new route. Eno helped them pull their act together, though he wasn't completely responsible for it. Just knowing he was there was probably a help to the band.

 

 

Does Eno owe himself a pat on the back? Absolutely. Is "zonked out" a vicious attack on a band? Absolutely not.

Exactly!

 

Coldplay are the success they are today because of their amazing work on their previous albums-- not because all of a sudden Eno "saved" them.

 

I honestly believe that even if Eno had not been involved in VLV, Coldplay would still have put out a great 4th album. Eno is giving himself way to much credit.

 

And no matter how many people love to bash and criticize X&Y -- let's not forget X&Y has sold million of copies worldwide. 737,000 it' first week in the U.S. And with the exception of the track "Low" (in which Eno played backing synthesizer) those numbers and that kind of success had nothing to do with Eno and all about how brilliant Coldplay is.

 

no way! i didn't know eno was in low! that's my favorite song off of that album! aw damn.

no way! i didn't know eno was in low! that's my favorite song off of that album! aw damn.

 

Yep, according to Wikipedia he was on Low:\

 

Low and Fix You are my two favorite Coldplay songs! Yeah, I know... i don't like Eno. I think he is overrated.

i've liked him a lot for U2 and the album is wonderful. it's just his ego is off the scale.

They probably were zonked out at the time, if you interpret that to mean disoriented, confused, or lacking direction. They weren't sure whether they wanted to please the masses or take a new route. Eno helped them pull their act together, though he wasn't completely responsible for it. Just knowing he was there was probably a help to the band.

 

Does Eno owe himself a pat on the back? Absolutely. Is "zonked out" a vicious attack on a band? Absolutely not.

 

Good points.

eno destroy coldplay he purposly tried to do that in my opinion! viva la vida is worse than x&y i like the new album but not there best work !! 42 was amazing but im guessing eno change that song so much its not nearly what it use to be fuck ENO

I'm afraid I'm going to have to agree with Eno on this one, Coldplay are a little obsessive about protooling their music to death, and good songs suffer in the final mix because of it.

 

He's not criticizing the songs on X&Y, so much as he's criticizing the way the songs were put together. My first reaction when I heard it was that it was over produced, and that impression still stands. When you throw everything and the kitchen sink at a song that sounds best played on just an acoustic guitar, you end up with sonic goo. (There's plenty of people who like X&Y because of that, and I'm fine with that, but it's not how I like Coldplay to sound.)

 

Eno's the one who finally talked them into recording their songs live which has led to some of the best sounds on the new album. (Though he still whined to David Byrne last winter that they spent too long messing with little layers this time around too. http://www.wired.com/entertainment/music/magazine/16-01/ff_byrne?currentPage=all) It used to take bands just a few months at most to record an album. The Beatles from what I understand never took more than about 12 hours to record a single song. Now bands seem to need a year AFTER all the songs are written just to twiddle with the bits no one will ever hear.

 

From what I've read of interviews with the guy who produced Parachutes and AROBTTH, Ken Nelson, he had something like the same task- getting the guys to let go of their ideas of how it should be and let the music happen. He's the reason those albums are so stripped down compared to how they could have sounded.

 

It's kind of a universal problem, from what I understand. Bands like the Arctic Monkeys get that raw energy in their music by recording the songs live and leaving them alone. Even Radiohead could have had that problem- from what I've read Nigel Godrich talked them into always recording analogue specifically so that they couldn't fiddle with the little details like they wanted to.

 

Let's hear it for getting back to organic music. ^.^

eno destroy coldplay he purposly tried to do that in my opinion! viva la vida is worse than x&y i like the new album but not there best work !! 42 was amazing but im guessing eno change that song so much its not nearly what it use to be fuck ENO

 

I agree, although I do really like Viva La Vida, it's not their best album. X&Y was a great album man! I don't understand why it gets so much stick!

^ @ space cadet that's an excellent point... :thinking:

Eno was even in Square One...the intro is of him...

I think he's right, and many of us (including the band!) know it - x&y was a great Coldplay album, as per usual, but it was way too Coldplay-by-numbers. The new album's the first 10/10 they've made since A Rush, largely because they seem so excited and passionate about it all again, but this time developing everything.

 

I'm quite prepared to believe Eno helped them rediscover that incredible desire again (along with THE BAKERY of course hehe)...:)

 

And by Dickens if I'd been Producer of this album I'd also feel like I had the right to brag I did a good job!! :D

coldplay had one sub par album. he certainly helped on this album but shut up man. no need to be a jerk

^It's been translated twice. I'm sure it didn't sound quite like it does now when he first said it.

touche

I'm afraid I'm going to have to agree with Eno on this one, Coldplay are a little obsessive about protooling their music to death, and good songs suffer in the final mix because of it.

 

He's not criticizing the songs on X&Y, so much as he's criticizing the way the songs were put together. My first reaction when I heard it was that it was over produced, and that impression still stands. When you throw everything and the kitchen sink at a song that sounds best played on just an acoustic guitar, you end up with sonic goo. (There's plenty of people who like X&Y because of that, and I'm fine with that, but it's not how I like Coldplay to sound.)

 

Eno's the one who finally talked them into recording their songs live which has led to some of the best sounds on the new album. (Though he still whined to David Byrne last winter that they spent too long messing with little layers this time around too. http://www.wired.com/entertainment/music/magazine/16-01/ff_byrne?currentPage=all) It used to take bands just a few months at most to record an album. The Beatles from what I understand never took more than about 12 hours to record a single song. Now bands seem to need a year AFTER all the songs are written just to twiddle with the bits no one will ever hear.

 

From what I've read of interviews with the guy who produced Parachutes and AROBTTH, Ken Nelson, he had something like the same task- getting the guys to let go of their ideas of how it should be and let the music happen. He's the reason those albums are so stripped down compared to how they could have sounded.

 

It's kind of a universal problem, from what I understand. Bands like the Arctic Monkeys get that raw energy in their music by recording the songs live and leaving them alone. Even Radiohead could have had that problem- from what I've read Nigel Godrich talked them into always recording analogue specifically so that they couldn't fiddle with the little details like they wanted to.

 

Let's hear it for getting back to organic music. ^.^

 

I agree 100%

 

Eno deserves credit for being a leader, and his good sense of direction. I don't see any reason to get upset over what he said, he said it how it was.

I'm afraid I'm going to have to agree with Eno on this one, Coldplay are a little obsessive about protooling their music to death, and good songs suffer in the final mix because of it.

 

He's not criticizing the songs on X&Y, so much as he's criticizing the way the songs were put together. My first reaction when I heard it was that it was over produced, and that impression still stands. When you throw everything and the kitchen sink at a song that sounds best played on just an acoustic guitar, you end up with sonic goo. (There's plenty of people who like X&Y because of that, and I'm fine with that, but it's not how I like Coldplay to sound.)

 

Eno's the one who finally talked them into recording their songs live which has led to some of the best sounds on the new album. (Though he still whined to David Byrne last winter that they spent too long messing with little layers this time around too. http://www.wired.com/entertainment/music/magazine/16-01/ff_byrne?currentPage=all) It used to take bands just a few months at most to record an album. The Beatles from what I understand never took more than about 12 hours to record a single song. Now bands seem to need a year AFTER all the songs are written just to twiddle with the bits no one will ever hear.

 

From what I've read of interviews with the guy who produced Parachutes and AROBTTH, Ken Nelson, he had something like the same task- getting the guys to let go of their ideas of how it should be and let the music happen. He's the reason those albums are so stripped down compared to how they could have sounded.

 

It's kind of a universal problem, from what I understand. Bands like the Arctic Monkeys get that raw energy in their music by recording the songs live and leaving them alone. Even Radiohead could have had that problem- from what I've read Nigel Godrich talked them into always recording analogue specifically so that they couldn't fiddle with the little details like they wanted to.

 

Let's hear it for getting back to organic music. ^.^

nicely said :thumbsup:

You guys are all lost.

 

Except those who agree with Mr. Cadet, hehe.

You guys are all lost.

 

Except those who agree with Mr. Cadet, hehe.

 

Mr. Cadet?! :stunned:

Brilliant post Space Cadet, and full of interesting little snippets :)

X & Y is a great album. It featured vibrant sounds that were not seen in the previous albums... Seemed like Coldplay experimented a lot with that album, and it worked for me. Coldplay should be allowed to do what they want, THEY are the band. Of course, guidance is always helpful... but in the end the band is the one who makes the music. If they like Eno's intake on things, they will use it... Listening to opinions and deciding whether or not to heed them is part of being a band.

 

I do like how he took them to the Italian restaurant. Kind of like "wax on, wax off".

Space Cadet is a beautiful girl, not a male...

Mr. Cadet?! :stunned:

Bahaha let's say I forgot the "s"!

I do like how he took them to the Italian restaurant. Kind of like "wax on, wax off".

:laugh3: Exactly.

 

Bahaha let's say I forgot the "s"!

Fair enough. ;) Do you think I should put the part about being Erin back in my sig? :confused: (Even though my name is Mo...)

:laugh3: Exactly.

 

Fair enough. ;) Do you think I should put the part about being Erin back in my sig? :confused: (Even though my name is Mo...)

 

Emo??:rolleyes:

mmm... I don't think he said that literally... but if he said it...

 

it's a quite stupid thing to say...

 

the best coldplay album (Parachute :P ...well.. it's just my opinion, others can have another favorite album) was with just the 4 of them... and years later... it still looks like a great album... same happens with AROBTTH