What ever drug problems MJ had is irrelivant. I work in an ICU and we use Propofol all the time. If you are using that drug, you better have the ability to breath for your patient. Either intubate them and put them on a vent or at least an ambu bag and some oxygen. If you choose to administer propofol with out the ability to recover the patient, you are risking loosing you license and going to jail. Period end of story.

This is what I've been looking for, do you have any situations where a doctor has over-prescribed medication?

 

I know a case as well! I got Modafinil prescribed and I could pick up meds for months and moths of usage. Overdosis of this med can be disastrous (causing eg. Toxic epidermal necrolysis, DRESS syndrome, EM and/or SJS, which can all be lethal) and is known to be as addictive as cocaine/speed etc, due to the drug's effect on dopamine in the brain's reward center. Yet, the doctors don't really seem to worry about subscribing massive amounts. :thinking:

 

but then again, I am not taking more of this stuff than advised.

What ever drug problems MJ had is irrelivant. I work in an ICU and we use Propofol all the time. If you are using that drug, you better have the ability to breath for your patient. Either intubate them and put them on a vent or at least an ambu bag and some oxygen. If you choose to administer propofol with out the ability to recover the patient, you are risking loosing you license and going to jail. Period end of story.

 

Well thats even further backup to what I'm mainly saying, not only did he over-prescribe but then during the procedure he simply left the room? What?! There was no explanation for why he would do that, and as I was saying before he it might not only be that he's not a scapegoat but he may have even gotten off lightly. If MJ had shown any sign to friends or relatives that he was suicidal (Which I don't think he was) then this doctor would have come away with worse then Involuntary Manslaughter.

 

This is what I've been looking for, do you have any situations where a doctor has over-prescribed medication?

 

I know a case as well! I got Modafinil prescribed and I could pick up meds for months and moths of usage. Overdosis of this med can be disastrous (causing eg. Toxic epidermal necrolysis, DRESS syndrome, EM and/or SJS, which can all be lethal) and is known to be as addictive as cocaine/speed etc, due to the drug's effect on dopamine in the brain's reward center. Yet, the doctors don't really seem to worry about subscribing massive amounts. :thinking:

 

but then again, I am not taking more of this stuff than advised.

 

Were you assessed at all to be given large prescriptions?

 

I don't think I've ever been impressed with your intellectual caliber, Reilly, that's why I rarely respond to you in a serious manner.

 

As if we needed any more proof you're a pompous asshole, but there we are. I'm not here to impress you, but if my intelligence is lacking then you must throw your own intelligence into question when you stop replying during our debates in the past. You can learn as much as you want about politics or economics, but I believe that a main part of intelligence is logic and reason, because of this you will always be a moron.

 

And also that is a load of absolute bullshit, the reality is that you often reply to me seriously (Because you carry it through) but your opinions are so insane most of the time that its unbelievable. Don't turn around and pretend "Oh you don't get to see the REAL side of me because you ain't got the smarts" because everyone knows how illogical you are generally, not just to me.

 

Your sharp witted attitude towards the worlds problems are almost sickening and I do believe you're detached from reality and you almost want terrible things to happen just to complain about the world, you were never sincere about your pretty embarrassing apology for being so sick about the Norway shooting because you don't really give a shit, and if there is further global recession and plenty of violence then you will be sitting there lapping it up because you were right.

Notice how many words Reilly has written since we started this discussion, and compare it with how many words I've contributed. Also, notice that Reilly got the ball rolling with his unprovoked personal attack on me.

 

Draw your own conclusions.

I'm surprised you even replied, not surprised you're shying away as usual.

 

And who are you even writing to in that last post?

And I just did a blatant edit so that I didn't initiate the attack. Are you happy now? What difference does it make?

Were you assessed at all to be given large prescriptions?

I'd say no. I just got the diagnose narcolepsy a month ago and this was just a try out, to see if the medication would work. They just rely on me to contact them if anything goes wrong or if it doesn't work.

Interesting, maybe it is more commonplace then I thought for regular folk to be handed out a big bag of drugs to play with. I doubt you have MJs well documented addiction problems though.

Michael Jackson's doctor sentenced to 4 years behind bars

 

 

 

 

LOS ANGELES (AP) - The doctor who was convicted in the overdose death of Michael Jackson was sentenced to the maximum four years in prison Tuesday in a finale to the tormented saga of the King of Pop.

 

Dr. Conrad Murray sat stoically with his hands crossed as Superior Court Judge Michael Pastor repeatedly chastised him for what he called a "horrific violation of trust" while caring for Jackson.

 

"Dr. Murray created a set of circumstances and became involved in a cycle of horrible medicine," the judge said. "The practice of propofol for medicine madness, which violated his sworn obligation, for money, fame prestige and whwatever else may have occurred."

 

Pastor said one of the most disturbing aspects of Murray's case was a slurred recording of Jackson recovered from the doctor's cell phone.

 

"That tape recording was Dr. Murray's insurance policy," Pastor said. "It was designed to record his patient surreptitiously at that patient's most vulnerable point."

 

Michael Jackson's family told Pastor they were not seeking revenge but want the doctor who killed the superstar to receive a stiff sentence that serves as a warning to opportunistic doctors.

 

"The Bible reminds us that men cannot do justice, they can only seek justice," the family said in a statement read by attorney Brian Panish. "That is all we can ask as a family, and that is all we ask for here."

 

The statement went on to say, "We are not here to seek revenge. There is nothing you can do today that will bring Michael back."

 

Murray was convicted of involuntary manslaughter after a six-week trial that presented the most detailed account yet of Jackson's final hours but left many questions about Murray's treatment of the superstar with an operating-room anesthetic as he battled chronic insomnia.

 

Lead defense attorney Ed Chernoff highlighted the accomplishments of Murray.

 

"I do wonder though to what extent the court considers the entirety of a man's book of life, as opposed to one chapter," he told the judge.

 

The doctor decided not to directly address the court.

 

Chernoff again attacked Michael Jackson, as he and his team frequently did during the doctor's trial.

 

"Michael Jackson was a drug seeker," Chernoff said.

 

Jackson's death in June 2009 stunned the world, as did the ensuing investigation that led to Murray being charged in February 2010.

 

Murray told detectives he had been giving the singer nightly doses of propofol to help him sleep as he prepared for a series of comeback concerts. Propofol is supposed to be used in hospital settings and has never been approved for sleep treatments, yet Murray acknowledged giving it to Jackson then leaving the room on the day the singer died.

 

Murray declined to testify during his trial but did opt to participate in a documentary in which he said he didn't consider himself guilty of any crime and blamed Jackson for entrapping him into administering the propofol doses. His attorneys contended throughout the case that Jackson must have given himself the fatal dose when Murray left the singer's bedside.

 

In their sentencing memorandum, prosecutors cited Murray's statements to advocate that he receive the maximum term. They also want him to pay restitution to the singer's three children - Prince, Paris and Blanket.

 

It's unlikely that Murray can pay any sizable sum, including the $1.8 million cost of his funeral. He was deeply in debt when he agreed to serve as Jackson's personal physician for $150,000 a month, and the singer died before Murray received any money.

 

Prosecutors said the relationship of Jackson and Murray was corrupted by greed. Murray left his practices to serve as Jackson's doctor and look out for his well-being, but instead acted as an employee catering to the singer's desire to receive propofol to put him to sleep, prosecutors said.

 

"The defendant has displayed a complete lack of remorse for causing Michael Jackson's death," prosecutors wrote in a filing last week. "Even worse than failing to accept even the slightest level of responsibility, (Murray) has placed blame on everyone else, including the one person no longer here to defend himself, Michael Jackson."

 

Murray's attorneys are relying largely on 34 letters from relatives, friends and former patients to portray Murray in a softer light and win a lighter sentence. The letters and defense filings describe Murray's compassion as a doctor, including accepting lower payments from his mostly poor patients.

 

"There is no question that the death of his patient, Mr. Jackson, was unintentional and an enormous tragedy for everyone affected," defense attorneys wrote in their sentencing memo. "Dr. Murray has been described as a changed, grief-stricken man, who walks around under a pall of sadness since the loss of his patient, Mr. Jackson."

 

 

http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/jackson%27s-doctor-to-learn-punishment-for-death

4 years? jesus christ

4 years? jesus christ

you think it's too much or too little?

^ I sa too little. He'll probably do 2 years max because of over crowdedness... Even though the punishment is he loses his license in CA, he should lose it completely!!! He was irresponsible!! He was entrusted with his life, and he failed MJ.

 

sad all around... because I don't think he intended to kill him, but his negligence proved otherwise. :(

^ I sa too little. He'll probably do 2 years max because of over crowdedness... Even though the punishment is he loses his license in CA, he should lose it completely!!! He was irresponsible!! He was entrusted with his life, and he failed MJ.

 

sad all around... because I don't think he intended to kill him, but his negligence proved otherwise. :(

 

If you accidentally killed your friend with a lethal combinations of drugs when you honestly thought you were helping them - would you still think four years is too little?

 

Or do you only think this because it was Michael Jackson who died?

 

I'm curious.