coldplay♪♫♪ Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 http://reshet.ynet.co.il/%D7%97%D7%93%D7%A9%D7%95%D7%AA/News/Politics/Security/Article,64326.aspx :cry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tash Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 That's in Hebrew, the majority of the people here can't read that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_escapist Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 It's time for PEACE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woohoo37 Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 I've been listening to a few CP songs on youtube.........everyone has comments about this! Mass Coldplay burnings here we come! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Osaka Sun Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 Hey Osaka Sun, I hope that wasn't directed at me, because I certainly didn't accuse anyone of anti Semitism. Also, am I to understand that you support both the Right to Return and Israel as the Jewish homeland? Cause those are pretty much contradictory (as I said in the previous post, I'm all for a two state solution, but this is not what the video - and apparently, Coldplay - are backing.) Where is the video advocating the right to return? :stunned: I'm particularly intrigued by Einstein's solution - a bi-national state still under the banner of Israel. Don't know if that can happen, but one can dream, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeomanry Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 Where is the video advocating the right to return? :stunned: I'm particularly intrigued by Einstein's solution - a bi-national state still under the banner of Israel. Don't know if that can happen, but one can dream, right? The groups behind the video stand for the right of return which is 'code' for the destruction of Israel. Coldplay are not endorsing peace or a peaceful solution, they're endorsing one side's victory over the other. As for a bi-national state - you're welcome to go and live in a majority Muslim country (as that is what Israel would then become in a bi-national state) but most Israelis that I met would not welcome national suicide as some European commentators from a safe distance suggest they should do. Israel was created as 22% of the UN mandate of 'palestine'. Palestine was not a nation state. It was a geographical area of land under UN control, not run or governed by Palestinians (who throughout history have never had a country). 78% would go to the Arabs who later became 'palestinians'. The Arabs refused and wanted 100%. What can I tell you, they lost three wars they started and still complain of injustice. Like a mugger who keeps attempting to steal your phone only for you to punch him on the nose, then off he goes crying to the cops about his nose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruqayyacp Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 Zionist claptrap made up of lies and the distortion of history. Like the man who murdered his parents and pleaded for clemency on the grounds that he was an orphan. People are not swallowing this any more. FREE FREE PALESTINE!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueberry girl Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 Where is the video advocating the right to return? :stunned: I'm particularly intrigued by Einstein's solution - a bi-national state still under the banner of Israel. Don't know if that can happen, but one can dream, right? As I explained in my original post (which nobody bothered to read, it seems *sigh*. And I was being all eloquent!), this is one of the campaign aims according to the website. I also explained why a bi national state is a bad idea. The Jewish people need a homeland, as anyone who's had a history lesson in his life should know. The Palestinians should get one too - *alongside* the Jewish one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Osaka Sun Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 As for a bi-national state - you're welcome to go and live in a majority Muslim country (as that is what Israel would then become in a bi-national state) but most Israelis that I met would not welcome national suicide as some European commentators from a safe distance suggest they should do. Israel was created as 22% of the UN mandate of 'palestine'. Palestine was not a nation state. It was a geographical area of land under UN control, not run or governed by Palestinians (who throughout history have never had a country). 78% would go to the Arabs who later became 'palestinians'. The Arabs refused and wanted 100%. What can I tell you, they lost three wars they started and still complain of injustice. Like a mugger who keeps attempting to steal your phone only for you to punch him on the nose, then off he goes crying to the cops about his nose. Actually, no, not really. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Israel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_Palestinian_territories Proposed UN 1947 solution: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:UN_Partition_Plan_For_Palestine_1947.svg Now: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/12/Is-wb-gs-gh_v3.png I know a single-state solution won't happen, it's idealistic at best. And Ruqayyacp, enough with the Zionism crap. You're not helping anything out either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Osaka Sun Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 As I explained in my original post (which nobody bothered to read, it seems *sigh*. And I was being all eloquent!), this is one of the campaign aims according to the website...the Jewish people need a homeland, as anyone who's had a history lesson in his life should know. The Palestinians should get one too - *alongside* the Jewish one. Yet you also have these groups involved: http://www.greenbelt.org.uk/ http://jfjfp.com/?page_id=2 http://www.icahd.org/?page_id=68 http://www.justpeaceforpalestine.org/peace_what_we_stand_for_4580.aspx http://www.foa.org.uk/about Nothing there saying "GTFO Israel from the Middle East." The best thing for the band is to just clarify their position so everyone can get on with their lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeomanry Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 Proposed UN 1947 solution: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:UN_Partition_Plan_For_Palestine_1947.svg . Not sure why you're arguing the demographics case. Over 20% of Israel's population is Arab and there's millions of palestinians who could get into Israel if Coldplay's ideas came true. As for the partition plan, I should clarify that under the BRITISH mandate they proposed 22% to Jews and 78% to Arabs. Modern day Jordan would have been part of Palestine if they had not gone to war - so your map is of the wrong era. Essentially, modern day Jordan (called Transjordan back in those days) is Palestine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueberry girl Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 The best thing for the band is to just clarify their position so everyone can get on with their lives. I agree, but to be honest, I very much doubt they have one - in fact, I'll bet they don't even know what the Right to Return is. Not that I blame them - I know practically nothing about the Troubles in Northern Ireland, for example. But that's why I don't make statements about them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruqayyacp Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 Blueberry girl - The Palestinians HAD a homeland - they just want it back. Osaka Sun - enough of telling me what I can or cannot say. You'll be saying that anti-Zionism = anti-semitism next, which is ironic when you realise that the Palestinians are more semitic than the settlers who migrated from Europe and the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lutzno Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 Blueberry girl - The Palestinians HAD a homeland - they just want it back. Osaka Sun - enough of telling me what I can or cannot say. You'll be saying that anti-Zionism = anti-semitism next, which is ironic when you realise that the Palestinians are more semitic than the settlers who migrated from Europe and the US. jesus you can talk shit its uncanny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasoKnight Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 Whoops. Double post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasoKnight Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 Er. Maybe I was wrong to say this wouldn't be news. Just searched Coldplay on twitter expecting excitement/news about ETIAW. At least 50% of the tweets are about this, most of them wrongly claiming Coldplay is somehow involved in the making of the song (and even in a Jihad against Israel. :lol:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Osaka Sun Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 Blueberry girl - The Palestinians HAD a homeland - they just want it back. Osaka Sun - enough of telling me what I can or cannot say. You'll be saying that anti-Zionism = anti-semitism next, which is ironic when you realise that the Palestinians are more semitic than the settlers who migrated from Europe and the US. :laugh3:...If you take the time to read the last page you could see that I'm very critical of Israel's actions and how Zionists equate that to be anti-semitic. Just don't go all Alex Jones saying it's some kind of Jewish conspiracy to take over the world, that's all. And speaking of the Troubles in Ireland, there are some similarities, actually. People want civil rights from the British, IRA/UDA gain political power, and then a certain massacre shocks the world. [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFM7Ty1EEvs]YouTube - U2 - Bloody Sunday[/ame] :guitarist: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruqayyacp Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 Now you're just putting words into my mouth - I never mentioned anything like "Jews wanting to take over the world"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Osaka Sun Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 Now you're just putting words into my mouth - I never mentioned anything like "Jews wanting to take over the world"! "Zionist claptrap made up of lies and the distortion of history." EDIT: Actually, yeah, over-exaggerated a bit, sorry. I've just seen the word endlessly thrown out everywhere that it's almost a knee-jerk reaction (aka. "Jews did 9/11"). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruqayyacp Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 Nah, not having that. "Over-exaggerated a bit"??? Made-up a lot, I'd say. Anyway, I'm not arguing any more, and should not have allowed myself to get dragged in. I came to make a point in defence of Coldplay. I will just say to Lutzno - You need to learn how to debate without making personal and insulting remarks to those you disagree with. It is not funny or clever, just silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeomanry Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 Blueberry girl - The Palestinians HAD a homeland - they just want it back. At no point in the history of this world, have Palestinians had a country or state. At no point in the history of this world, have Palestinians governed their own territory (until Israel gave them autonomy) At no point in the history of this world, have Palestinians or any Arabs had Jerusalem as their capital. These are simply irrefutable historical facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeomanry Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 Er. Maybe I was wrong to say this wouldn't be news. Just searched Coldplay on twitter expecting excitement/news about ETIAW. At least 50% of the tweets are about this, most of them wrongly claiming Coldplay is somehow involved in the making of the song (and even in a Jihad against Israel. :lol:) Well, the groups behind the song all support the right of return which as explained already, is a euphemism the Arabs use for the destruction of Israel. i.e. by overpopulating Israel with Arabs to outnumber the Jews. So Coldplay have given their backing to this which is very disappointing. Especially as you'd have thought his wife who has Jewish connections and named her son MOSES might have something to say about it. Does Chris Martin know who Moses was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amir.mohit Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 it's just e video of some of their friends are involved in such an action, they can't act as what we like or what we think is true , they are complete adults, having their own beliefs and thoughts that may be true or not but 4 sure they have searched about it, and in this specific case it's not a question of hammas or Netanyahu or any other fool person or group; it's a question of humanity, Coldplay and Chris Martin and whoever can explicitly state their idea,,, and at last if you see the flag under my name, it's Iran, Persia; don't want to insult any tribe but I'm not Arab anyway,,, sorry for poor english Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amir.mohit Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 At no point in the history of this world, have Palestinians had a country or state. At no point in the history of this world, have Palestinians governed their own territory (until Israel gave them autonomy) At no point in the history of this world, have Palestinians or any Arabs had Jerusalem as their capital. These are simply irrefutable historical facts. we have two hundred and ... countries around the world, what are you talking about man...? I'm not Palestinian and I don't want to defend them since they have for sure big mistakes but I know Israel and Zionism will not let me freely fly in my own blue sky,,, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amir.mohit Posted June 2, 2011 Share Posted June 2, 2011 Guys, the Jewish people is the greatest on earth for the people they have given, but I think we need to find a solution to the horror, I do not know what it is, I have not thought about it. I always thought that Chris is Jew by his name and talent. I'm so sorry for the pain that causes you, love, maria +++ I think Maria had the best opinion toward this issue,,, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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