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i don't think i worded that very well. i'm not trying to say that problem is with the acts themselves its more so with their fans. their passion for a certain act is founded largely in the way they carry themselves and how they "look" and the stigma that is attached to being a fan of that band. the music often seems secondary.

Sparkadia stands out for me now but it seems to have many of qualities of the temper trap debut. strong anthems but lacking in substance in places.

just listened to the album again. i still can't find myself giving it anymore than 7/10 which in my books is a good album that has its moments.

i think every segment of the music industry is like that. like imagine if Fleet Foxes decided to ditch their hairy hippie image and instead started strutting around in spray on jeans and hugo boss shirts? i'm sure there would be exodus against them. the "indie" scene is just as manufactured and image driven. and you're right bryce it is a way of people identifying themselves. but i find that way of self-identification to be based more so in hating certain types of music rather than loving the type of music you identify with. that doesn't sit well with me.

like i always say. it's not about being good. it's about being the best.

ok guys thanks for the lively discussion but i wasn't quite talking about the welfare of the music industry. i think in a commercial sense it is better than ever (refer to U2 record breaking tour revenues) what i'm talking about is the way the young music lovers of today treat current music. and the obsession we all seem to have with labelling everything. everything is this or that, nothing is plain and simply music anymore. that i think has ostracised and alienated a lot of people who would otherwise be quite passionate about music. this is exactly what i mean. that "indie faggotry" (don't quite agree with your wording but it does sum it up quite well) is whats killing music from the inside. as we grow older we'll probably mature and get over that elitism but the next generation will probably be even worse. the way that a lot of the music media is geared doesn't help much either. is this form of segregation all that bad? to most it isn't but personally i struggle with it. i seem to wear a different "hat" with every group of friends. i tell my indie friends i hate mainstream, i tell my mainstream friends that chart topping music "is ok", with my classic rock loving friends i find myself denying my fanboy-ish love for kanye west. maybe it's a little utopian of me to think things could be different, i dunno. maybe i'm just a slightly confused music lover.

i should explain why i've created this thread. i've really only been "into" music for about 3 or 4yrs now and i've come to realise that the industry seems to be destroying itself from the inside. by the industry i mean for the most part music fans. what gets the most amount attention? hatred. you say that you hate coldplay for being pompous pricks and everyone is ready to put you up on some pedestal. you say that you hate kings of leon for being up some labels arse and you're suddenly some hero. does anything get people more riled up than the term "sell out"? music has turned itself into image driven gimmick laden trigger happy machine. we're seemingly incapable of appreciating music for what it is instead we're too busy arguing who has become too "commercial" or why is that popstar covering that awesome indie song, i can't listen to it anymore cos so n so sang it etc etc. i know i'm generalising a fair bit here but that seems to be the vibe that is saturating the industry at the moment. this forum may not be guilty of any of the things i've mentioned but it is inexplicably preoccupied with fighting over why one band is better than another. people seem to be completely incapable of getting it into their heads that there is no such thing as one artist being better than another. we all seem to enjoy hating other music more than appreciating and loving our own favourites. i know for a fact that i'm guilty of a lot of things i'm alleging others of. it really does bring down this beautiful art form. i hope my little rant in some way explains what i'm getting at.

The music industry's biggest enemy/threat is itself. Discuss

*bump* well this shit will get real in just a couple of days. Tuesday night Man Utd v Schalke in Germany then Wednesday night Barca v Real at the Bernabeu. whats everyone tipping. i'm hoping for this Man utd v Schalke - 1-1 then 2-1 at Old Trafford so Man Utd to win 3-2 on aggregate Barca v Real - 0-0 then 1-0 at Nou Camp, Real to win 1-0 on aggregate (in other words Mourinho to park the bus and melt the keys over 180mins)

ooooo thats very exciting!! the good thing with supporting cut copy is that they'll turn up half n hour late and piss everyone off so everyone will probably leave liking you guys better.

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back on the production of the album. i can't help but feel that on parts of the album that brian eno was trying to make coldplay sound like U2. the guitar work on cemeteries of london and the way its been produced/engineered is an obvious example.

i've listened to a bit of Seekae. it feels as though they're just doing what everyone else is doing with the whole dubstep minimalism thing. not bad music just feels like i've heard it all before.

i think VLV is very well produced but just produced in the wrong way. the reason why rush of blood sounds so good is because the production qualities on it suit coldplays brand of music. they haven't tried too hard to smooth out all the blemishes and make it sound perfect and that works for coldplay. it complements the emotions and feeling in chris's melodies and vocals. but with VLV you can tell they tried to perfect every little aspect of it so it turned out sounding overtly polished. in turn making it almost emotionless and plastic. still a good album.

i enjoyed the james blake album but i just thought he took the whole minimalism thing a bit too far. madly in love with the new Lykke Li album. i have listened to the leaks of Battles and Fleet Foxes a few times each but i think i'll reserve my judgement until they get their general release. i find it easier to listen to an album after i read a few reactions to it so i know what to listen out for.

the first 10 pounds of the 50 million chelsea invested in torres has paid off.

very very relieved to see hernandez score in the dying minutes. Jonny Evans should not be playing for man utd. he was lucky to get away with a blatant penalty today and really hasn't improved much at all in the past year or so.

newfound? it was love at first sight (more specifically manning bar 26th september 2009) still angry at cut copy.

i hope johno boulet brings out something decent this year. he might be able to save us. :P

has anyones parents ever stopped them from listening to a certain artist or band?

it just struck me. triple j completely shunned the middle east debut. i know it wasn't what everyone hoped it would be. but surely it is better than the new jebediah, drapht and architecture in helsinki albums. i love supporting aussie music but the year has so far so shit. :(

you can buy itunes on CD :S never knew that.....

watching the kanye (then watching it back again lol) the crowd being hip hop based didn't see crushed or all that rowdy. but i'm sure the strokes would've been crazy as usual. then again i'm the type who likes a rough and tumble pit. standing there and watching never does it for me haha

easier said than done.

i've changed computers a few times over the last few years so every change is a good opportunity to filter out the stuff i don't enjoy as much as i used to. part libraries were saturated with bootlegs which i just dont have the patience or time to listen to these days. i keep linkin park stuff because i still like their 2000-era stuff and my friends like to listen to them when they come to my place. other than that i pretty much love everything in my library at the moment, of course some more so than others.