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:rolleyes: Because a writer's personal life never spills over to their work. came out wrong...I meant the music, a lot of the time I usually don' care about the lyrics...may seem silly but I'm more of an instrumental person...so own THAT. :smug: ....man, I am SO pleased you guys have that smiley here!! Yep, me too. Both about the instrumental thingy and also about the smileys... This is my fav one --> :D Shiraz, I think you need to chill a little. :cool: Instrumental as in the lyrics/song being sung is just another line or part of the music. We listen to how the whole song sounds overall so lyrics are not that important ;)

Snowden - Doves. It's just so atmospheric and soothing and emotional... http://music.aol.com/artist/main.adp?artistid=12806. Click the link that says " Watch the 'Snowden' video"

^ Yep I know it is. I have the song, just a bit outraged that they didn't have it for release in other countries :D (thanks for the tip that wasn't a tip though :lol: ) I guess the guys figured that fans would figure out a way huh? Well, we sure did... :) But it still doesn't disguise the fact.

Amsterdam. That organ should be shot :lol:

Don't worry. We all are, just sometimes we care too much about this band... ;)

^ Yeah, and not everywhere else :angry: ;)

You are right. There is emotion... But it's not getting through. Or at least it's not getting the attention it deserves. Too many other things happening in the background and the production doesn't help.

^Thanks for the compliment... You're great yourself too you know. I just gotta say some things sometimes when I see certain things not being put right. ;) I'm from Malaysia. That's the Malaysian flag you're seeing there... It quite resembles the good ol' star-spangled banner doesn't it? :P My country's alright by and large, though I guess I do get into a huff over some things sometimes. But seeing how a single person can mess up a whole country (actually make that three including Iraq and Afghanistan) makes me very thankful that my country is what it is. :D Dubya messed up beyond my wildest dreams (and I didn't mean that in a good way)... It's amazing how one single person can so screw up the world :angry:

Nick, my turn to join the fray... You got to start understanding that YOUR war (i.e. your perception of the US-initiated war on Iraq) is a helluva different from the TERRORISTS' war. You (and the Bush admin's excuse) are saying this war is justified and that it should be founght because it frees the Iraqis and brings democracy and stops the oppression (as well as the killing) of the people there. Also that America needs to get rid of the terrorists (which u think originate from there). Nick, you need to know a couple of things (if you don't already): 1) First of all, terrorists do NOT just come from Iraq (or Afghanistan) for that matter. 2) These terrorists don't know/understand/care about your intentions to free the Iraqi people... They are freaking mad that apparently innocent people- their friends, family and loved ones are getting killed/shot at by American soldiers (and their allies) who are justifiably shit-scared too. Many Iraqis are just poor peasants/farmers who would be struggling to put food on the table rather than fight over ideologies like us. Besides most of them wouldn't be very educated (or have gone to school) - they'd be just struggling to survive. Anything that messes with that and it'll be enough for them to go to war and kill themselves (as well as others) over. They view American soldiers as a direct threat to them, they don't care that you guys went over to liberate them from Saddam in the first place :rolleyes: . Besides, Saddam wasn't targeting them for extermination/oppression, they were too busy just trying to survive than go protest / try to overthrow Saddam. The better educated people who end up as terrorists - the engineers, store-keepers, rich-man's sons - it's the same thing although their motivation is different. They see their countrymen (or people of their own race/religion) being attacked and killed by outsiders. Deep in their psyche and culture, it feels like history is being repeated all over again - the Crusades (i.e. Jihad to them). So what do they do? Same as what you and I would be doing in the same situation... They'd be outraged and angry that the people they care about are suffering and dying. But where we scream and shout and protest, they do something more substantial/extreme... They end up taking up arms and "sacrificing themselves" to kill the enemy. It's just their culture... dying was never too big a deal given the harsh conditions they've had to survive historically, and there's glory in becoming a matyr too (for their own people, religion, whatever). 3) Therefore, for the terrorists... War is about eliminating the threat US is causing them. Remember, whether it's the truth now or not, that the 1st Iraq war started by Bush senior WAS all about the oil, even if it was for the "just cause" of protecting Kuwait from Iraq. People have memories... Of course the middle eastern people will be suspicious of US intentions. You don't just have a war brought upon your country and forget that it ever happened, and the reasons why it happened in just 15 years!!! Especially if it was about something as stupid as oil :rolleyes: ... You see where this is leading us? Eliminating the threat. You view them as a threat, they view you as a threat. Both sides are equally bent on eliminating each other, even at the cost of human lives... The US has backing of its government who will keep supplying soldiers; the terrorists are "terrorised" and thus defend themselves by taking out the enemy; terrorist attacks happen and the Bush government "strengthens its resolve to eliminate the terrorist threat".... So there is more war, more casualties on both ends. The same old cycle will repeat itself. It is not going to end or go away. Nick, the terrorist threat cannot be eliminated by force/arms. Can't you see that? For every terrorist you kill, there'll be people who love them who'll want revenge; there'll be sympathetic countrymen who feel "here's another example of invasion of my country by outsiders" and be inspired to become suicide bombers... Haven't you ever heard them say, "for every one of our brothers you kill, ten more will spring up and take our place"? If you haven't, this is how it happens, and it ain't going away unless the US changes its approach. Killing terrorists and freezing their arms/militant-training funding can help, but it'll never solve the root of the problem. This is not a war against drug cartels or the mafia, it is far more than that - people will fight to the point of death when their way of life and own people are being threatened- it's all about survival. Think about it, if somebody wanted to remove democracy from your country or was attacking your country on its own land, you'd pretty much enlist in the army to defend your country and even kill the invaders wouldn't you? As for removing the military presence your country has placed in Iraq in the first place, as I've said earlier elsewhere, the US has landed itself into a quagmire it started in the first place. And the fault lies with none other than George W Bush. You see, if he hadn't gone on and on about "freeing the people, bringing democracy to Iraq" etc and destabilising the whole country by toppling Saddam using US forces, there wouldn't be all this mess. Of the various methods previous presidents have tried- to assasinate him, bomb him, use economic and political means so that the Iraqi people themselves finally removed him - none of which has worked so far to be fair - to remove Saddam, you know why the US never declared war? I sure know that one of the reasons was so that the military needn't be involved. Now that Bush has made this into a moral war as well, the US government cannot justifiably remove US troops unless and until the situation there has settled and peace is maintained. This day ain't gonna come since the troops keep accidentally killing Iraqi civilians. Here's "Collateral damage" for ya :dozey: . Bush has also made things messier for your next president coz it looks likely the war will still be when he steps down. Then the next prez will have to figure out how to remove the troops without being condemned worldwide for abandoning this situation. All this of course is assuming that the war isn't about oil and US military presence in the middle east. If the war is because of oil, then good luck folks cause your people are going to remain there... And the casualties ain't going away. With prolonged military presence in the middle east, the people there will of course be justifiably angry and agitated and terrorism will fluorish. All the bloodshed and bad-blood caused by politics and greed. When will we ever learn? :rolleyes:

Thank you :) Aww, don't say that. I know, I feel the same way too sometimes (about leaving my country when I see all the things I can't stand about it)... But the US does still stand for a lot of good things... And sentiments change. When Bush goes and if a better Prez comes in, I'm sure you'll feel a lot better and proud of your country --> the home of the good and land of the free :D

It's time they stopped doing "live performances" videos :rolleyes: They have so much more artistically than that... Remember Trouble (both versions were beautiful)? One or two concert-based vids were a nice change but they haven't had a proper video with a "storyline" since The Scientist

I think it should've been on the album... It certainly sounds more X&Yish and better than some songs in there. But I don't agree that it's particularly original... Reminds me of a 007 Bond song :D Still enjoy it very much though and like it a lot

Indie? Wouldn't that be a sub-category of rock i.e. alt-rock? :D

good point... as long as they believe they are doing all these BOMBINGS in the name of their God... it doesnt matter matter what nationality they are... they all have faith in the same God.. faith is that powerful. God is only one aspect of it... The thing is, their people, their race, their culture is tied down to religion and their belief in God, which in essence means that very often if you are perceived to be a threat to their culture/country, you are seen as threatening their religion as well... Over there (and many countries in the world), there's no such thing as separation of state and religion. And if you're not religious enough, you'll never be elected to be your own country's leader. I don't think it's fair to pin it squarely on religious fanaticism. There wouldn't be so many zealous terrorists (especially suicide bombers) if these people had a secure life with food in their stomachs to begin with, and if they did not feel threatened by outsiders interfering with their way of life. Bush's shoot-from-the-hip straight-talking/posturing imposes on other peoples' cultures and is seen as very offensive to Asians. Very often what he says is perceived as a direct threat to the our identity and way of life that has been going on for years... Bush sounds exactly like a colonialist, which many countries have had experience with and are wary about. Like Bart noted, it is just exactly the way Bush says things that get to people... Post-colonialist Europe is not likely to get attacked by these terrorists (unless they are seen as openly supporting the US e.g. UK & Spain) simply because they know when and how to keep their mouths shut, much the same as Clinton did - unlike Bush. It sounds simplistic, but the fact is that if Bush starts being less aggressive and inflammatory, there'll be less terrorist attacks. And if his presidency had been less provocative, 9/11 might not have happened. I'm sad to say this, but we could feel the backlash coming... I woke up to the news of 9/11 very sad, but not surprised. :(

emmm I the process of following a friend into battle Sorry I'm a day late, but I think the answer is because it would be morally indefensible for Bush to withdraw the troops and leave Iraq in the big mess which he created in the first place. Given that he has projected himself as "morally upright", all the bad press following withdrawal might can his reputation as a good prez forever. Given that, I guess whether or not he withdraws US troops within the next few months while the mess is still unresolved will show us how much better morally Bush was than Clinton.

Seeing as there've been a lot of new members coming in, I thought it'd be a good idea to *bump* this thread :D

I love the song... Although it took me the longest time to figure out that he was singing "Sing it out... Loouuud" :D It is such an intimate song

Twisted Logic "Everyone I know says I'm a fool to mess with you"

Well I hope they're taking something for it!! :D I like Robbie, but couldn't stand Take That. They were so cheesey and "manufactured"!! :P Haha... Prepare for your worst nightmare then :wink3: Frankly, I do still listen to them: Back For Good's a pretty good song... But never the best band. Radiohead!

The 'problem' with X&Y is that it's an album-full of singles (or potential singles)... Every one of them could belong on the radio. So the album doesn't feel like it belongs to you i.e. lacks the intimate feel.

Thank you Vic! One of the more serious ones floating around... But why do they all look so bored??? Guy especially :P

:lipsrsealed2: mine? Coldplay - Parachutes- What took you so long? :D

Critics and fans both say that Kid A's the best but OK Computer is more listenable... If you're going for long-term, I'd say follow the chronology (Pablo Honey, The Bends, OK Computer, Kid A, Amnesiac... HTTT will fit in anywhere), you'll see the progression better and the music's easier to absorb. If you're just looking for THE best, Kid A's it then although OK Computer is more classic rock. Me? I got things the other way round coz old records are so hard to get here. In fact, mine's probably the reverse in terms of listening difficulty... Amnesiac, Kid A, HTTT followed by my latest purchase OK Computer! :o I wasn't too enamoured of them when I first heard Amnesiac and Kid A - to say I got a full on culture shock is an understatement... Had to leave them on the shelf for a while. Then I got HTTT and slowly got to like it coz it's more engaging. Got back to listening to the other two and learnt to appreciate - they're ace :D . OK Computer's the easiest to listen to barring the Bends which I haven't managed to find yet :( (anyone can help me here?)

Radiohead criticised them for producing "lifestyle music" but you know what... It's totally true. And I think it's a good thing. It's a bit scary saying this, but they saved my life... I was in a very dark place when I heard Parachutes. It made me feel better about myself and made me realise it's perfectly ok to be lost and confused... That you don't need to live life with a clear purpose of who you are and what you want to be all the time and that although striving for perfection is good we don't have to be perfect. Don't Panic, Sparks, We Never Change spoke to me that way...