tho this whole muddling up of timelines between The Doctor & River Song's seems to be something like in the book (& movie) 'The Time Traveller's Wife'....makes things a bit confusing to keep track of tho, imo. hopefully the writers are keeping tabs. :dozey:

Yep. Tbh I never fully understood what was said about their relationship in Silence in the Library and Forest of the Dead.

^Hahaha yay

 

He reminds me of that Potter Pals boy :blank: With the hair and the face a bit... it's weiiiiiiiiiiird man! :thinking2::thinking2::thinking2:

oh, yeah! that was freaky!

 

tho it's kinda been done before with the alien lifeform from Silence in the Library...

 

yeah, but they didn't talk about the experience of being murdered and having their necks snapped! I'm a bit surprised that the BBC was okay with lines like that in a "family show", since according to DW Confidential they're usually really careful about keeping it from being TOO scary :thinking:

 

I'm rewatching Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead right now, I like Ten+River Song much more than Eleven+River Song- although those first two episodes were more dramatic, and the new episode was more comedic. I can't wait for the conclusion on Saturday! :bomb:

Wow... the big plot is starting to make sense now:

 

 

I've been trying to figure else what else Amy is hiding besides her wedding for a while now because it's something.

 

The tweed jacket gave it away. The Doctor lost his jacket when the angel grabbed it. In the forest he says goodbye to Amy and runs off, only to return a moment later wearing his lost jacket and talking about things that don't quite make sense, like her not trusting him.

 

The Doctor has doubled back on his own timeline. That's why he got all confused when Amy mentioned in that last scene how he comforted her. He may have even told her to jump his younger self as part of the plan. That clip in Eleventh hour where young Amelia saw the Tardis come back- I bet it wasn't a dream. It happened. He told her stuff. That's what he meant when he told her to remember what he said when she was seven. His future self may have been periodically showing up and telling her things for a while. That's what else she's been hiding. There's a big plan to change things.

 

 

This season is going to be so good. Moffat has had a chance to weave the timey-wimeyness through a whole series.

 

 

 

Oh, has anyone posted Moffat's preemptive answers from Doctor Who Magazine yet? I think they mainly apply to this episode, but apparently in ways that won't make sense until the end. I think number 3 is about what I wrote in the spoiler there...

 

"I'm going to answer some of your questions Before You Ask Them. Please keep the following paragraphs, because you may need them over the next four weeks of the Matt Smith era.

 

THE ANSWERS

1) Because it's a time machine, dummy.

 

2) Because the structural damage alluded to in the opening scenes has caused a certain amount of leakage. Yes, leakage. Shut up, it's all planned, you wait until episode 12!

 

3) Ah! Ah! But where in the episode does it say it's the second time? No, see, it doesn't. So nyer. In fact, the use of the word "keep" in scene 23 would suggest that it isn't the second time. Yeah, not so smart now, are you? Ha!!"

:dizzy:

 

I haven't thought much about Amy, to be honest... I was so preoccupied with trying to figure out who River Song is! :P I was wondering about the whole "time can be rewritten" thing, since that's what The Doctor says to River in Forest of the Dead when she's about to die, and the Doctor kept repeating that same line in this episode :thinking: not sure if that's significant, but I definitely picked up on that!

 

re: the crack erasing events, I've always wondered why in the 21st century everyone's always so shocked to see aliens when apparently they've been showing up throughout history...? I've always figured that it's just a loophole in the show, but maybe Moffat's going to turn that into a story arc (which would be pretty awesome)!

 

I'll admit that I didn't notice the return of the jacket before someone pointed it out, but the more I think about it the weirder that little scene was :thinking: maybe you're right! although Amy did seem to genuinely distrust the Doctor when he came back in The Eleventh Hour... but I wondered at the time about that little scene of child Amy hearing the Tardis. hmmmmm.

 

it's gonna be a good ride! as long as Moffat keeps writing the episodes (since the only non-Moffat episode this series was rather awful!).

oh brilliant, what a nice thread for my favourite tv show :D

 

I absolutely adore Matt as the 11th, Amy's irritating, at the same level as Martha Jones was. well, David was 'my Doctor' (a kinda generation thing, just like Tom Baker for the kids from the 70ies) but Matt's really good and he's a good substitute. alas as I don't have BBC One and i need to watch the show via a kind of illegal ways through the net, I haven't seen last 2 episodes, so the last thing I saw was Vampires in Venice. blimey.

^The next one, Amy's choice, is both brilliant and disturbing, but you have to watch it twice before it's either. I've never seen an episode of anything change so much between viewings.

 

Nice to see another fan around. Welcome. :nice:

 

But Amy is quickly becoming one of my favorite Who characters ever, so I'm afraid I'll have to thoroughly disagree with you there. :beadyeyes: (And I liked Martha. She was just underwritten.)

naah, best new series companion ever was Rose <3 and Doomsday left me crying for almost an hour. that was so moving. and that bloody bastard, the Doctor, left her with his own poor copy despite loving her. of course, that's probably the best what he could offer her but still.

 

@Martha - I'm not sure, when she appeared in Torchwood (you like it too? I think it's brilliant) I liked her much more. i assume, it's the presence of the Doctor was making her looking poor. and the way she was after Rose.

 

Amy is strange. the first episode I fully liked her was The Time Of Angels, but then again she's confronted with River Song but actually, for me even plankton is better than River Song so this doesn't count in.

 

I like Donna, I love Catherine Tate's sense of humour, her show is so funny (esp. Nanny).

you've seen Catherine Tate Show - Comic Relief Special with David T. as the Doctor? that was total ace and everytime I re-watch it, I laugh very much.

I don't like Amy! I'm trying, I really am, but she just gets on my nerves! :\

 

I think Rory's funny though :lol: and he's good opposite The Doctor- I LOVED the part in Amy's Choice when she pretended that she was going into labor, and they panicked and The Doctor held his hands out like he was going to catch the baby :laugh3:

 

I'm excited for Cold Blood, although I wasn't TOO crazy about the first part- the pacing was super weird, and plot-wise, it was a bit too close to The Impossible Planet :thinking: but it was scary at parts, which was fun :D

naah, best new series companion ever was Rose <3 and Doomsday left me crying for almost an hour. that was so moving. and that bloody bastard, the Doctor, left her with his own poor copy despite loving her. of course, that's probably the best what he could offer her but still.

i actually thought that was quite a poignant & touching gesture from The Doctor. he knew she was stuck on that world, he knew she loved him but they couldn't be together since he'd only end up outliving her as she aged faster than him...so he gave her a version of him that could be with her & grow old with her. *gets all teary eyed*

 

& Rory...dear Rory...

...heck, i SO hated that mother cos of her actions in Saturday's episode. the best of humanity she definitely was not. :(

 

^ ahhhhh, saddest ending EVER. can you imagine if you were the Doctor, and you watched while Rose got to have you, but you didn't get Rose?!?! arghhhhhhhhhhhh :bigcry: I still cry every time I watch Journey's End, AND Doomsday :P

 

I'm telling you, that's the thing about sci-fi, it can create tragedies that you can't even dream of...

 

for example,

Rory doesn't just die, they make it so that HE NEVER EVEN EXISTED. :bigcry:

 

Rory was the only character I really liked this season :disappointed:

 

I like Amy best from the last companions we've had, she has more attitude than the rest and stands up to the Dr more, and she's the prettiest:embarrassed:

 

I don't think they should have done Vampires in Venice, the same with the Werewolf one because they try and make something supernatural into alien/sci fi and it both episodes it just ruined it, vampires are vampires, not space fish from outer space, likewise werewolves run around and maul people at the full moon not want to infect the Royal Family and build, coal powered rockets? come on.

Ok, that last one was SO beautiful. :cry: I feel like I should go dig out my Van Gogh prints I have tucked away just to look at them.

 

Also, Amy might not be the merrying type now and it never would have worked, but my word their children would have been beautiful...

Last episode I saw was Amy's Choice! Im looking forward to next weeks episode!

^Have you seen Amy's Choice twice yet? Did it completely change the second time for you?

 

I really liked that one. :nice: Though it is a little heartbreaking that the Doctor would think so many horrible things about himself.

I liked Vincent and The Doctor :nice: I watched it twice just so I could see the part when the sky turns into Starry Night again... absolutely beautiful :wacky:

 

the end seemed a bit silly to me (especially with that song... what was up with that?), and yet I still found myself getting teary-eyed :lol:

 

and Bill Nighy = awesome :P

I liked Vincent and The Doctor :nice: I watched it twice just so I could see the part when the sky turns into Starry Night again... absolutely beautiful :wacky:

 

the end seemed a bit silly to me (especially with that song... what was up with that?), and yet I still found myself getting teary-eyed :lol:

 

and Bill Nighy = awesome :P

loved that episode!!! & that starry night scene was lovely!!! :wacky:

 

& Bill Nighy's curator...haha...he never quite realised who it was he was talking about!!! :laugh3: but i thought what he said about Vincent Van Gogh was really nice & touching... *teary eyed*

^Have you seen Amy's Choice twice yet? Did it completely change the second time for you?

 

I really liked that one. :nice: Though it is a little heartbreaking that the Doctor would think so many horrible things about himself.

 

yeah i really liked that episode all the way around! looking forward to the 2 part episode coming up and the vincent and the doctor one!

okay, I've figured out one of the things that's been bugging me about series 5. they're trying to force some mature element of sexuality into the whole thing that just doesn't belong there. yes, David Tennant was the hottest Doctor ever and he's just... :bomb:, but they didn't try to put that out there in the show. they never had the Doctor run out of the bathroom in just a towel, while a girl comments that he's gorgeous. I mean- what the hell?!

 

come on, Doctor Who. yes I'm a teenage girl... but this isn't cool. Russell T Davies had it right, he knew that it was a family show, and didn't try to make it into something that it wasn't.

I watched The Hungry Earth part 1. It was good! I am looking forward to part 2.

okay, I've figured out one of the things that's been bugging me about series 5. they're trying to force some mature element of sexuality into the whole thing that just doesn't belong there. yes, David Tennant was the hottest Doctor ever and he's just... :bomb:, but they didn't try to put that out there in the show. they never had the Doctor run out of the bathroom in just a towel, while a girl comments that he's gorgeous. I mean- what the hell?!

 

come on, Doctor Who. yes I'm a teenage girl... but this isn't cool. Russell T Davies had it right, he knew that it was a family show, and didn't try to make it into something that it wasn't.

Would you prefer that it was the the third doctor running around in nothing but a towel... again? :P [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob_z5-WIxCc]YouTube- Doctor Who Spearhead From Space Part 5[/ame] He even still sings the same 7 regenerations later- I think the scene may have been played as a bit of an homage to the early days.

 

RTD was probably responsible for more innuendo than any other writer on the show. He was just coming at it from a very different point of view and was perhaps a little bit more subtle about it so it went over most people's heads. Basically RTD grew up in love with the Doctor and liked to write from the women's perspective. Moffat grew up wishing he was the Doctor and thinks the Doctor should be all cool and popular because he's the hero.

yeah, I did make the connection there :lol: although to be fair, John Pertwee was what, 15 years older than Matt Smith is? and there were no women ogling the 3rd Doctor when he ran out in his towel... I dunno, they're just very different scenes :shrug:

 

but it just feels a lot more "in your face" than it did with RTD. The clothes they put Amy in every week, some of the lines, and now this week... it feels very forced. I think Moffat is trying to mature the show in a way that it doesn't need- it already appeals to all ages, he doesn't need to mess with it.

i liek doctor who

I want a Pandorica box.

Looks like tomorrow's ep is going to be a corker...

Stonehenge, Roman Britain, Indiana Jones-ish scale, that's how you do a finale. :nice: