HAVE THEY NEVER HEARD DASHBOARD CONFESSIONAL?!?!

 

HAHAHA THIS JUST MADE MY DAY

boohoo. 30 people think chris martin can't write songs, while a million+ think otherwise. neither side is right or wrong. it really doesn't matter what you think of his lyrics. it's a petty topic.

We should let this thread kindly die. It's not like he was voted worst lyricist by someone important, anyway. :sneaky:

chris martin worst lyricist? i think radiohead has some pretty messed up lyrics..listen to paranoid android, karma police...thom yorke has a pretty good voice ill give him that, but his lyrics..ehhh

it sucks people have to compete like this - it's so immature. Why in God's name would Chris Martin get worse lyricist?

 

Haven't they ever read some of the lyrics by music like...oh I don't know, Britney Spears and those pop icons? It's ridiculous what people come up with.

 

Somehow, I think Chris Martin has some talent in his lyrics... :wink3:

You know, it's almost becoming cliche to bash Coldplay. Time to get a new gig ateaseweb turds!!

It's simply silly. But people always bash the "next big thing" or whatever is current right now.

It's simply silly. But people always bash the "next big thing" or whatever is current right now.

why is it that a lot of coldplay fans love radiohead and never say anything bad about them...but a lot of radiohead fans (and readiohead themselves!) arn't the biggest fans of coldplay? I've heard it's because the radiohead crowd believes coldplay is just a "wannabe". I don't believe that for a second. But I still like radiohead. I just wish they would all stop being such asses about coldplay.

Have they never heard TRAIN???! Their lyrics are EMBARRASSING!!! Chris is one of the best lyricists up there... And I'd say that even if I werent a Coldplay fan.

why is it that a lot of coldplay fans love radiohead and never say anything bad about them...but a lot of radiohead fans (and readiohead themselves!) arn't the biggest fans of coldplay? I've heard it's because the radiohead crowd believes coldplay is just a "wannabe". I don't believe that for a second. But I still like radiohead. I just wish they would all stop being such asses about coldplay.

 

They're probably afraid that Coldplay might make Radiohead seem insignificant...

what a bunch of douche's chris voice is really good!

 

this just in...coldplay fans are mentally retarded!

i'm afraid coldplay does NOT make radiohead insignifigant. please take the time to listen to Radiohead's older B-Side, "You Never Wash Up After Yourself", then listen to Twisted Logic. :o

http://www.thechurchofchrismartin.com/home.htm :D :D :D you coldplay peeps are all psycho! lol

why is it that a lot of coldplay fans love radiohead and never say anything bad about them...but a lot of radiohead fans (and readiohead themselves!) arn't the biggest fans of coldplay? I've heard it's because the radiohead crowd believes coldplay is just a "wannabe". I don't believe that for a second. But I still like radiohead. I just wish they would all stop being such asses about coldplay.

 

They're probably afraid that Coldplay might make Radiohead seem insignificant...

Forty years from now, when Coldplay are for the most part forgotten, I hope you remember this statement and cringe. I know I will.

why is it that a lot of coldplay fans love radiohead and never say anything bad about them...but a lot of radiohead fans (and readiohead themselves!) arn't the biggest fans of coldplay? I've heard it's because the radiohead crowd believes coldplay is just a "wannabe". I don't believe that for a second. But I still like radiohead. I just wish they would all stop being such asses about coldplay.

 

They're probably afraid that Coldplay might make Radiohead seem insignificant...

Forty years from now, when Coldplay are for the most part forgotten, I hope you remember this statement and cringe. I know I will.

 

:D :D

hahaha

why is it that a lot of coldplay fans love radiohead and never say anything bad about them...but a lot of radiohead fans (and readiohead themselves!) arn't the biggest fans of coldplay? I've heard it's because the radiohead crowd believes coldplay is just a "wannabe". I don't believe that for a second. But I still like radiohead. I just wish they would all stop being such asses about coldplay.

Not radiohead but the fans, most of them are just *beep*

I've been a radiohead fan for almost 10 years but some fans like them give us all a bad name :(

i like radiohead.....and that poll made me laugh, and then go WTF? :lol:

You quoted that Radiohead lyric WRONG, actually. "The Gloaming" may not be much of a song musically, but the lyrics do make definite sense if you quote the entire sentence, not take a tiny part out of context [repetitions removed]:

 

"they will suck you down to the other side

to the shadows blue and red, shadows blue and red

your alarm bells, your alarm bells

they should be ringing

this is the gloaming" (pretentious word for dawn)

 

So, not brilliant lyrics really, but very moving the way he repeats certain lines. This is one of the rare cases anyone can pretty much understand Thom. Hmm, what countries' flags are "blue and red." Could this, possibly, be his response to 9/11, a song condemning jingoism and "eye for an eye" violence?

 

I don't even know why this should be necessary because it's pretty indisputed Thom is a better LYRICIST than Chris Martin, but here, just to prove the point, has Chris ever come up with something like this? The subject of the song is actually very much like what Chris writes about. Now seriously, which is better?

 

Once again, I'm in trouble with my only friend

She is papering the window panes

She is putting on a smile

 

Once again, packed like frozen food and battery hens

Think of all the starving millions

Don't talk politics and don't throw stones,

Your royal highnesses

 

And of course I'd like to sit around and chat

And of course I'd like to stay and chew the fat

Only, only...

 

Once again we are hungry for a lynching

That's a strange mistake to make

You should turn the other cheek

Living in a glass house

 

And of course I'd like to sit around and chat

And of course I'd like to stay and chew the fat

Only, only... I'm living

Only, only, I'm living....

There's someone listening in

 

The emotional power of Radiohead songs is 60% Thom's voice and 40% Thom's lyrics. In Coldplay songs, it's over 90% Chris' voice.

Mathemusics!

 

But wonderful post.

why is it that a lot of coldplay fans love radiohead and never say anything bad about them...but a lot of radiohead fans (and readiohead themselves!) arn't the biggest fans of coldplay? I've heard it's because the radiohead crowd believes coldplay is just a "wannabe". I don't believe that for a second. But I still like radiohead. I just wish they would all stop being such asses about coldplay.

 

Now this is a myth. We all know Thom Yorke is a bit moody and off the cuff in interviews sometimes. (Fans of Chris Martin's mood swings don't have a leg to stand on in criticizing Thom for mental health, though, so please don't).

 

What he said, was about like this: "You become lifestyle music whether you want to or not. Coldplay is an example right now."

 

Is he criticizing Coldplay? No, he's not passing any sort of judgment on their songs, he's just saying it's sad the way the marketing campaign has grown so big the intentions of the music itself are obscured. The only time when Thom specifically went into another band for sounding so much like him it made him sick, was a few years ago. And it wasn't Coldplay, it was Muse. Who don't sound like Radiohead now, but around Showbiz, Matt Bellamy was basically Thom crossed with Jeff Buckley.

 

One reason he made his voice sound strange on Kid A was he . But Coldplay hadn't even released their first single until Kid A was done. Most likely it was Travis' popularity that inspired the voice change. And while I doubt he's a fan of Travis' music, he can't hate them too much, or he wouldn't work with the same producer.

 

I don't know what Chris is about yet. But let's look at Bono. Bono would not care if his music was "lifestyle music," he would love it. Bono has a completely opposite philosophy from Thom. I think both of their views (if not recent music by U2) have lots of integrity. Bono wants U2 to be primarily a communal experience, inclusive of everyone. How good an album is is determined by how popular it is. Bono is serious, he doesn't write albums JUST to pander (even if they now sound like it), but he's a populist at heart.

 

It's not that Thom intentionally excludes people, but Thom is an outsider, anyone can see that. He looks at the things the media doesn't tell you, that don't get on TV, and he makes them personal. He writes music outsiders appreciate. Radiohead's music is a much more personal thing for them than U2's-- U2 has given up ownership of their music to the world, because for them it's only as good as the number of people who GET it. Thom and Radiohead do not hate popularity. They've said how much they love "Hey Ya," the Beatles, tons of popular stuff! In fact, with the exception of the Cure and Echo & the Bunnymen, they've namedropped every older artist Coldplay has namedropped.

 

But the difference is, Radiohead write music for themselves first, to express a particular mood or . They want it out there, they want people getting it, but they NEVER compromise what they want it to sound like in order to have more people hear it. What they want it to sound like isn't always necessarily good, either, but it always ends up sounding that way, if they release it.

 

Bono described songs as "parents," who tell you what to do. Once the song is done, you have to find a way to get it to the most number of people. And sadly in recent years, if that means gutting the lyrics or pointlessly overproducing it, fine.

 

Thom describes his songs as children, to be protected and allowed to grow up and finally put into the schools/albums where they really fit. That's why there are so many brilliant Radiohead songs that have been recorded in many failed attempts, but never released, because they didn't get things just right.

 

I'm not sure what kind of band Coldplay is. To be honest, I'm getting very bad vibes from Chris right now. He used to be the most humble man in rock, awkward like Thom, yet no hard edge (okay, defect of the music, definite plus for personality), but I really think fame has changed him. He's still completely insecure, but he has a harder shell, and he's intentionally making a play for power. Maybe it's because the indie rockers he always wanted to be like have not taken him into their ranks, and the pop people have. When people like you, you become influenced by them, and you naturally want to please them. X&Y is not such a contrived thing. A band's own tastes can change as they try more smoothed over commercial styles.

 

But if/when this was what Bono was doing in the '80s, he was able to make it seem so much deeper than that. When I see the "Speed of Sound" video, it simply looks like a true "television commercial." Bono hawks iPods on TV now, but on their third album's first video, which musically was not that far from "Speed of Sound," he was out there in the snow, singing about WAR. Bono is right: U2 has WEIGHT, and so whatever their flaws, its understandable they are a candidate for the biggest band in the world. Radiohead has WEIGHT, and they get a special award for being humble enough never to throw it around at everyone (the critics do that, not them).

 

Coldplay has been a very pretty, a very moving band at times. But Coldplay doesn't have that kind of weight, certainly not on X&Y. How can they aspire to be the biggest band in the world in any meaningful sense? How can they hope their music, with those lyrics, could possibly define the lives of everyone on the globe the way U2's best songs do?

 

It sounds like when they say they want to compete with U2, all they mean is they want to sell more albums. There's absolutely no honor in that.

 

So Thom Yorke has not said anything bad about Coldplay, besides stating the obvious (they became successful despite themselves), but maybe one of these days when it's not so "despite themselve" anymore, he will, and maybe they will deserve it.

Of course what remains to be said is that while Radiohead revolted against the system seeking to morph them into a saleable commodity, Coldplay embraced it wholeheartedly and sold their souls to the twin devils of money and mediocrity. Ahahaha.

 

But seriously. You wish I was kidding.

Socrates I want to REALLY hate you but you speak so much true.

 

And thats true, people think X&Y or even A Rush of Blood is Coldplay's revolt against the industry, when really it was an even bigger advance on the industry.

 

Its why X&Y is in the smallest box, they want to sell as many records as possible.

Forty years from now, when Coldplay are for the most part forgotten, I hope you remember this statement and cringe. I know I will.

 

God you're annoying. Hey, i said they're afraid Coldplay MIGHT make Radiohead seem insignificant. I'm not saying they are.

I'm a radiohead fan too, but I just dont understand why people bash other bands that ARE good. It's totally unintelligent.