do you have any evidence of those "changed" with god's help?

to me' date=' to my beliefs. according to god aswell. but take god out of the picture and i still consider it immoral.[/quote']

 

Just stop. Right there.

 

Excuse me, do YOU know what God wants? Do you actually KNOW what his (or her *GASP*) plan is for everyone? That's certainly the impression that you give.

And it is certainly not "immoral". It is different. It's unfamiliar. They may be your beliefs, but how can you honestly look at another human who's gay and say what they're doing is wrong? They're not hurting anybody. If you didn't know someone was gay, and you liked them just fine, then you'd probably be friends with them, right?

Just a question, how many homosexuals have you met/known?

 

i know what god wants from what he's said..he has made it clear being gay is a sin....so its god's view on the issue. its a fact, he said and made it clear as crystal. he left no room for doubts on this subject.

 

just because your not hurting anyone doesnt make it moral. i know plenty of homosexuals im friends with a few...

 

well then if you're smart, tell us, why are we here? what is God's purpose for us?

 

sexual orientation IS NOT A CHOICE. we do not CHOOSE the gender we're attracted to. I happen to know this for a fact, because most of my friends are gay.

 

and btw, the bible says a lot of things. do you believe them all?

 

gods purpose for me is unknown, not every knows it, it may take years before he reveals it. he didnt send me a letter outlining my purpose but he guids beleivers along in life as long as they let him. why are we here? we are here to worship god and to tell other about him, but most dont accept ro do that.

 

even if you cant change your sexual orientation it doesnt chagne teh fact in my views that its immoral.

 

So you have blind faith in someone who doesnt have all the answers? I think thats just ridiculous.

 

i have faith in someone who has all the answers. its not blind, ive seen more then enough evidence to convince me.

gods purpose for me is unknown, not every knows it, it may take years before he reveals it. he didnt send me a letter outlining my purpose but he guids beleivers along in life as long as they let him. why are we here? we are here to worship god and to tell other about him, but most dont accept ro do that.

 

even if you cant change your sexual orientation it doesnt chagne teh fact in my views that its immoral.

 

hey guess what, NOBODY knows why we're here. it's an age-old mystery.

 

But if there's one thing I think I know about God, it's that he wouldn't want us to sit and talk about what's wrong in his opinion, because we don't know. I'm sure he'd love all his children to be out loving every minute of life, precious as it is, with friends by our sides. And I'm sure God wouldn't want people to be condeming others and questioning their morals, because it's not for us to judge others. The only one who CAN do that is God.

do you have any evidence of those "changed" with god's help?

 

Did you need evidence to believe in God?

Right now I dont have physical evidence if that,but I know that there are people that change!

 

God change my life!

 

I am not gay,and I never will,but I believe that God can change the people!

 

BIBLIE SAY THAT

gods purpose for me is unknown, not every knows it, it may take years before he reveals it. he didnt send me a letter outlining my purpose but he guids beleivers along in life as long as they let him. why are we here? we are here to worship god and to tell other about him, but most dont accept ro do that.

 

even if you cant change your sexual orientation it doesnt chagne teh fact in my views that its immoral.

 

hey guess what, NOBODY knows why we're here. it's an age-old mystery.

 

But if there's one thing I think I know about God, it's that he wouldn't want us to sit and talk about what's wrong in his opinion, because we don't know. I'm sure he'd love all his children to be out loving every minute of life, precious as it is, with friends by our sides. And I'm sure God wouldn't want people to be condeming others and questioning their morals, because it's not for us to judge others. The only one who CAN do that is

God.

 

thats you're belife. i know for a fact god knows why were hear.

i'm tired of this thread :snore:

bye bye

i'm tired of this thread :snore:

 

Then why are you posting in it?

 

i have faith in someone who has all the answers. its not blind, ive seen more then enough evidence to convince me.

 

Like what?

 

i have faith in someone who has all the answers. its not blind, ive seen more then enough evidence to convince me.

 

siiigh....

the purpose of 'faith' is that we have no evidence. the purpose of 'believing' is that we have no proof.

 

where is there proof that God exists? I don't deny it in any way. I've believed in God my whole life with my whole heart. But there is no tangible evidence, so you can't go to someone and say that their beliefs are wrong because 'look, I have evidence', because there is none.

 

religion is so much more beautiful when you have only faith to live on.

thats you're belife. i know for a fact god knows why were hear.

 

um, ok, except you just said earlier that you didn't know God's purpose for you..

i'm tired of this thread :snore:

 

Then why are you posting in it?

 

i have faith in someone who has all the answers. its not blind, ive seen more then enough evidence to convince me.

 

Like what?

 

people's opinions won't change here,you can't change their minds,ideas

damnit i was gonna try to get some sleep early tonite. basicaly personal things ive seen throughout my life confirming it, mixed with evidence in the bible...science things, such as the bible talking about mountains at the bottom of the ocean, theres no possible way anyone thousands of years ago could have gone to the bottom ofthe ocean thousands of feet and known this, i had a site that had alot of other evidence like this showing facts in the bible that took technology thousands of years later to prove, ill have to find those versus sometime.

thats you're belife. i know for a fact god knows why were hear.

 

um, ok, except you just said earlier that you didn't know God's purpose for you..

 

and you're point is??? i dont know, god knows.

I'm so confused. I really want to try and understand why people like me, say I'm a really good person, but one "high and mighty" bastard who has some "divine right" to "bestow upon ye" "judgement" doesn't like me.

 

Because I've gotten drunk. I will have pre-marital sex. Blah blah de fuckin' blah.

 

I hardly ever talk to anyone about it, but I have questioned my sexuality on more than one occasion, most prominently today. I don't know why, but I am incredibly attracted to men, but I also find some women extremely beautiful. I really don't know if that makes me bisexual, which it probably doesn't lmfao. But still... I have thought about it.

 

 

 

 

It makes me want to cry, and this thread truly upsets me. I feel like you people don't know me, God doesn't know me, neither does Jesus. Why are you judging me?? What is wrong with it all?

 

I'm not worried about my soul, because I know I am a better person than MANY people who go to church every weekend, then go out and have a friggin' orgy, then say their prayers the next night pretending nothing happened. Ok, so maybe that doesn't happen, LMFAO, but whatever.

Ephesians 5

5For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

 

6Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

 

7Be not ye therefore partakers with them

 

i have faith in someone who has all the answers. its not blind, ive seen more then enough evidence to convince me.

 

siiigh....

the purpose of 'faith' is that we have no evidence. the purpose of 'believing' is that we have no proof.

 

where is there proof that God exists? I don't deny it in any way. I've believed in God my whole life with my whole heart. But there is no tangible evidence, so you can't go to someone and say that their beliefs are wrong because 'look, I have evidence', because there is none.

 

religion is so much more beautiful when you have only faith to live on.

 

i have no 100 percent evidence of his existance, i cant show you him, thats why i have faith. but ive seen way to many facts in life and my personal life to know he's real. there is no physical evidence that i can hold to show, there alot of evidence in the bible, but ive seen things in life to make me believe.

do you have any evidence of those "changed" with god's help?

 

Did you need evidence to believe in God?

Right now I dont have physical evidence if that,but I know that there are people that change!

 

God change my life!

 

I am not gay,and I never will,but I believe that God can change the people!

 

BIBLIE SAY THAT

i need evidence that he changes gay people! i need to see a gay person "fixed"! you can't say stuff like "gay people can be changed with god's help" when you have no evidence! how many gay people have been changed? really! how many gay people have there been, ever? one has to have been changed if god has that power, right? you can't just sling that stuff at people and expect them to eat it up!

I'm so confused. I really want to try and understand why people like me, say I'm a really good person, but one "high and mighty" bastard who has some "divine right" to "bestow upon ye" "judgement" doesn't like me.

 

Because I've gotten drunk. I will have pre-marital sex. Blah blah de fuckin' blah.

 

I hardly ever talk to anyone about it, but I have questioned my sexuality on more than one occasion, most prominently today. I don't know why, but I am incredibly attracted to men, but I also find some women extremely beautiful. I really don't know if that makes me bisexual, which it probably doesn't lmfao. But still... I have thought about it.

 

 

 

 

It makes me want to cry, and this thread truly upsets me. I feel like you people don't know me, God doesn't know me, neither does Jesus. Why are you judging me?? What is wrong with it all?

 

I'm not worried about my soul, because I know I am a better person than MANY people who go to church every weekend, then go out and have a friggin' orgy, then say their prayers the next night pretending nothing happened. Ok, so maybe that doesn't happen, LMFAO, but whatever.

 

he made you he has a right to judge you. thats how i see it. you may go to heaven ultimately thats between you adn god, but what i can say is god has made clear being without sin is the only way in, and beleiving and accepting jesus wipes away that sin.

i'm tired of this thread :snore:

 

Then why are you posting in it?

 

i have faith in someone who has all the answers. its not blind, ive seen more then enough evidence to convince me.

 

Like what?

 

people's opinions won't change here,you can't change their minds,ideas

 

Then once again, why did you post in here? I'm not trying to change anyones minds, I'm trying to understand other people's points of view

 

And Nick, what have you seen?

shared my minds with everybody :dozey: is it forbidden?

Of course sharing your opinion isn't forbidden.

 

 

Unless it's written in the Bible.

 

SHIT! I think it is!

 

Miximus 15:5

 

"coldplay9027, shalt not post any opinion, hereforth, in any said thread involving Jesus and gay people. THE ENDETH."

 

:P

Times i should have died but prayed and felt god there protecting me. times ive been really sick and have felt better because of god, evidence like the mountians in the bible aswell. theres no way theres not a god with the way the world is, no big bang could have created this world. im not living my life right, i know that but ive been trying to change. but because im not livign right doesnt mean i dont beleive.

shared my minds with everybody :dozey: is it forbidden?

 

Whaaaat?! (The whaaat?! in reference to you saying your bored of this thread which culminated in our debate which has ended up in you claiming you want to express your opinions in this thread). Stop bending my brain

Of course sharing your opinion isn't forbidden.

 

 

Unless it's written in the Bible.

 

SHIT! I think it is!

 

Miximus 15:5

 

"coldplay9027, shalt not post any opinion, hereforth, in any said thread involving Jesus and gay people. THE ENDETH."

 

:P

 

not your just being mean. we've never said or hinted that your opinion is forbidded unless its from the bible. your opinion is welcome and a part of the debate.

i love you danielle. in that way. let's do it and go to hell! plz! :kiss: